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Irish Polytheism

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Kat, 25 years old, she/her pronouns. I could tag things if people wanted I just don’t have a ton of followers but feel free to ask!
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The tea is that Irish names aren't that bizarre and Irish spelling isn't particularly wild in the grand scheme of languages, anglophones are just used to anglicising names and y'all think Irish is some fiddly dee dee funny fairy language and not like...an actual living language under threat

"It's not pronounced how it's spelled!!"

Yes it is. You're just assuming, for whatever reason, that english spelling and pronunciation standards should apply to a language from a completely different language family

This is what I'm talking about. Why are the Brits so proud of their ignorance

Y'all have really got to stop doing this. Take a day off from mocking threatened minority languages. Americans and Brits have killed hundreds of languages already, this is not a good look from monolingual speakers of the world's dominant language

My gran is Irish, and both my gran and my mum have Irish names, and I come across a lot of this. Like yes that’s not how you’d pronounce it in English, but the word’s not fucking English, OK?

Shockingly a language that's not English isn't spelled like English.

gaelic orthography is much more consistent than english. like not to be contrarian but if there's any language that's just spelled "however" it's english.

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i want a restraining order on everyone who doesn’t wear deodorant 

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has-claws

Deodorant is nasty. What do y'all think people smelled like up until 70 years ago??

Bad.

1. Perfume.

2. Soap. Yeah, they had soap from a pretty early point. Sometimes it was scented and sometimes it just smelled like lye, but there you go. Ditto scented powders, lotions, hair products, cosmetics, etc.

3. Whatever their clothes smelled like. Not always body odor. Linen was worn next to the skin with masculine and feminine clothing alike for a LOT of western history, to wick up sweat. I’ve worn a linen chemise under a long-sleeved Edwardian summer dress in Manhattan in August, and even after like six hours, my dress smelled faintly of the lavender it was stored with. My chemise reeked when I got undressed later, but none of the smell had escaped. No joke. Shit really works.

4. Occupational smells. A baker might smell of bread and faintly of sweat, a blacksmith of sweat and iron, a medieval priest of incense, a Victorian teacher of chalk, etc.

5. Yes, sometimes bad. But not everyone by a long shot, and not all the time.

Also they definitely didn’t want to smell bad, and used all resources available to them to avoid it. So, barring any allergies, use some damn deodorant.

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y'all will circlejerk yourself to the mysticisms of faeries and elves in european countries for centuries and take it as fact but the second native americans ask you to respect our spirituality and culture suddenly you're all aetheists

non natives can, should, and will reblog this.

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sometimes i think occult tumblr is particularly terrible

then i open reddit and see someone saying that to make anointing oil you add glitter to olive oil but you must pray over every single piece of glitter

so yknow

could be worse

Facebook is the same but worse. lol

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star-anise

So what I’ve learned from the past couple months of being really loud about being a bi woman on Tumblr is: A lot of young/new LGBT+ people on this site do not understand that some of the stuff they’re saying comes across to other LGBT+ people as offensive, aggressive, or threatening. And when they actually find out the history and context, a lot of them go, “Oh my god, I’m so sorry, I never meant to say that.”

Like, “queer is a slur”: I get the impression that people saying this are like… oh, how I might react if I heard someone refer to all gay men as “f*gs”. Like, “Oh wow, that’s a super loaded word with a bunch of negative freight behind it, are you really sure you want to put that word on people who are still very raw and would be alarmed, upset, or offended if they heard you call them it, no matter what you intended?”

So they’re really surprised when self-described queers respond with a LOT of hostility to what feels like a well-intentioned reminder that some people might not like it. 

That’s because there’s a history of “political lesbians”, like Sheila Jeffreys, who believe that no matter their sexual orientation, women should cut off all social contact with men, who are fundamentally evil, and only date the “correct” sex, which is other women. Political lesbians claim that relationships between women, especially ones that don’t contain lust, are fundamentally pure, good, and  unproblematic. They therefore regard most of the LGBT community with deep suspicion, because its members are either way too into sex, into the wrong kind of sex, into sex with men, are men themselves, or somehow challenge the very definitions of sex and gender. 

When “queer theory” arrived in the 1980s and 1990s as an organized attempt by many diverse LGBT+ people in academia to sit down and talk about the social oppressions they face, political lesbians like Jeffreys attacked it harshly, publishing articles like “The Queer Disappearance of Lesbians”, arguing that because queer theory said it was okay to be a man or stop being a man or want to have sex with a man, it was fundamentally evil and destructive. And this attitude has echoed through the years; many LGBT+ people have experience being harshly criticized by radical feminists because being anything but a cis “gold star lesbian” (another phrase that gives me war flashbacks) was considered patriarchal, oppressive, and basically evil.

And when those arguments happened, “queer” was a good umbrella to shelter under, even when people didn’t know the intricacies of academic queer theory; people who identified as “queer” were more likely to be accepting and understanding, and “queer” was often the only label or community bisexual and nonbinary people didn’t get chased out of. If someone didn’t disagree that people got to call themselves queer, but didn’t want to be called queer themselves, they could just say “I don’t like being called queer” and that was that. Being “queer” was to being LGBT as being a “feminist” was to being a woman; it was opt-in.

But this history isn’t evident when these interactions happen. We don’t sit down and say, “Okay, so forty years ago there was this woman named Sheila, and…” Instead we queers go POP! like pufferfish, instantly on the defensive, a red haze descending over our vision, and bellow, “DO NOT TELL ME WHAT WORDS I CANNOT USE,” because we cannot find a way to say, “This word is so vital and precious to me, I wouldn’t be alive in the same way if I lost it.” And then the people who just pointed out that this word has a history, JEEZ, way to overreact, go away very confused and off-put, because they were just trying to say.

But I’ve found that once this is explained, a lot of people go, “Oh wow, okay, I did NOT mean to insinuate that, I didn’t realize that I was also saying something with a lot of painful freight to it.”

And that? That gives me hope for the future.

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Every time one of my posts wanders into the "anti-cursing" side of witchblr it makes me want to just go full-on black-magic left-hand-path edgelord just out of spite

Everybody knows that the real reason you do witchcraft is to level up your ghost so that when you die you can become as unto that which the probates call a god and rattle the very foundations of Heaven in your all-consuming fury.

To start with, the only skill you *really* need to develop is travelling, because once you start traveling you can just do your own research amongst the nameless things that live in the unfathomable abyss beneath the roots of Hell. Down that path lies madness, but also cool spells, so, y'know, you buys your ticket, you takes your ride.

Also the unfathomable abyss of raw, roiling potential that lies beneath the roots of Hell is a great place to find a gf

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edderkopper

A little late to the party, maybe, but it only now occurs to me that unlike many of my playlists, this one is uh, normal enough to be shareable.

This is a selection of stuff I play around the holidays, but it is non-religious and does not explicitly mention any holidays, Christian, Pagan,or otherwise. It is a “holiday playlist” in the sense that it runs on winter, nostalgia, and longing, the mood of weathering a calm night in late December alone.

I know a couple people in the tags were looking for something like this awhile back, so maybe this would be useful to someone other than me.

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You all, fools: *getting tattoos based on the ancient tattoos they find on bog mummies and the other ancient dead that for all you know will bind you to a forgotten god that now by all rights has a claim on your life for better or for worse*
Me, and intellectual: *doesnt fucking do that*

A forgotten god cannot run my life any worse than I am currently running it myself.

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silver-boots

Bog mummy take the wheel

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muffinrag

I need a Jewish person’s help with something.

I’m a gentile, raised Mormon. This year, my dad and his wife are celebrating Hanukkah.

So, question one, is it okay for gentiles to celebrate Hanukkah? They’re being pretty careful, learning the rules, making sure to light the candles right and everything.

Now we go down a bit of a rabbit-hole. In the Mormon religion, there’s a belief - a “doctrine” - that all people are descended from the twelve tribes of Israel. In a special, personalized “patriarchal blessing” you receive around 15 or 16 years of age, your “descent” is revealed - that is, which tribe of Israel you belong to. This is not genetic. Parents and children and siblings can “belong” to different tribes. It has nothing to do with actual family history, and seems to be entirely symbolic, based on your apparent role in God’s plan.

When I questioned why they were celebrating Hanukkah, they claimed it was because they’re celebrating their heritage. As far as I’m aware, however, there is no Jewish blood in my family or my stepfamily, and they made mention of their “descent” from the twelve tribes of Israel, implying that they believe they have a right to this holiday because of that.

I’m baffled. I absolutely support learning about and respecting Jewish culture, but it’s not okay for them to claim that this holiday is for them, is it? They’re Christian. They’re sitting here reading an article titled “Hanukkah is for Christians.”

Do any Jews out there have some advice for this goyim? It’s such a weird, niche issue. I’m not sure Google will have any help for me on this bizarre minutia of the interaction between Mormon and Jewish culture.

Hi there friend,

My name is Josh (he/him/his) and I’m a student rabbi and Jewish Educator living in New York City.

Thank you so so much for your thoughtful and very thorough question.  I really appreciate you reaching out to the Jewish community for some advice.  

In short, no.  It is not okay for a non-Jewish person to celebrate a Jewish holiday or perform a Jewish ritual unless they either (A) doing so in a Jewish space with or for the benefit of their Jewish loved ones or (B) doing so in preparation to convert to Judaism (and are working directly with a rabbi, cantor, or other Jewish person to help them on their blossoming Jewish journey).

I am not a fan of arguing that other people’s theological understanding of the world is incorrect as theology can be so personal, often confusing, and rather complicated.  So I do not feel comfortable commented specifically on this Mormon theology that you pointed out.  I believe that all religious beliefs that do not hurt another human being – or group of human beings – should be celebrated.  But I will comment specifically on the appropriation of Jewish rituals and why this is an act of antisemitism.

There is a growing movement in the Christian world – not just within the Mormon Church – of folks who believe that they have a right or a privilege to celebrate Jewish customs and holidays.  I have heard that many folks do it in the “name of Jesus,” or like in this case “because it is ‘our’ heritage.”   Both of these points are rather disturbing when you trace the atrocities committed against Jews by Christians throughout history. Christians are responsible for so much Jewish pain throughout history and have absolutely no right to appropriate Jewish traditions.  It is disrespectful, because regardless of how any non-Jew follows the “rules” one attempts to follow, it is still not their holiday, their custom, their heritage, nor their tradition.  

This is all my way of coming around to say that you are 100% correct friend.  And thank you for coming here for your Jewish siblings to reassure this uncomfortable feeling you might be feeling.  I also agree with your statement that learning about other people’s faith traditions is important.  Personally I love learning about Mormonism (if you have any fun articles, please send them my way!).  You are in the right here.

I’d like to end by adding a few fun tidbits that I am sure that your father and his wife might not be thinking about.   Every single Jewish holiday that we celebrate today is a product of evolution over time.  Most Jewish customs as well are a product of a slow evolution– meaning that the Jews would have practiced in Jesus’ time, is sharply different than the Judaism practiced of today.  As an example back in the first century, Jews were most likely having a debate about the custom around how many candles one should light– and in what order– on the Hanukiah (Hanukkah Menorah).  Although Jewish Law states that one should light at least one candle each night, the custom has developed to light one light the first, two the second, three the third, and so on and so fourth.  This is all to say that for the elites in the first century who practiced Hanukkah, they probably would not have lit the candles via today’s custom. (If it would be helpful, I’d be happy to make similar arguments about other Jewish holidays, customs, and modes of being Jewish!)

Ultimately friend, you are in the right here.  Your gut telling you that this celebration is wrong, is totally on point.  Thank you so much for bringing so much compassion to this really rather challenging issue. 

-Josh

I also need to point out that Mormonism does this lovely thing where they posthumously baptize people as Mormon. This includes Holocaust victims.

Anne Frank was baptized as a Mormon decades after her death. Her death BECAUSE she was Jewish.

Many, many Jews have complained about this and the “church’s” standpoint has always been “deal with it.”

They also do this to other oppressed minorities, like Native Americans, without the consent of the person at all. It’s sickening.

So no, unless a Mormon person is willing to take the time to study and convert, I don’t want them anywhere near Jewish holidays, Judaica, temples, anything. Mormonism itself is antisemitic and continues to harm Jews.

Hey, thank you so much for your input, guys. I do want to clarify - I myself am no longer Mormon. I identify as agnostic these days.

I really appreciate you both reaching out and helping me understand this issue. The truth is, I felt in my gut that what they’re doing is wrong, but I didn’t want to broach the argument without asking actual Jews first - because I am not, after all, Jewish, and don’t know much about the culture or religion. Thank you so much for the information and treating my lack of knowledge kindly. I’m going to attempt to broach the issue with my family, but things between myself and them are… tense, and I’m not sure they’ll respect this.

I’ve really appreciated this opportunity to learn, and I hope I might be able to get through to my dad and his family about this.

And, @the-home-kvetch, I’ve heard about the issue with posthumously baptizing people. I believe the “baptism” of Anne Frank happened shortly before I left the church. To put it frankly, it’s not right, and it was disrespectful to Anne’s memory, religion, culture, and death. I don’t speak for the Mormon church, but as an ex-Mormon, I’m sorry. For Anne Frank, and for all the other Jews that Mormons have posthumously baptized.

Hey again @muffinrag​,

Thank you for modelling kindness and a yearning to learn about other human beings.  In the Jewish world, we would call you a true Tzadik.

@the-home-kvetch - thank you for your important input to this conversation here.

If you are not Jewish, please read this important conversation.  And if you have a chance, please read the notes

I hope that this conversation can inspire us all to learn about other faith traditions and to explore other cultures with the goal of making us better informed, more compassionate human beings.  As the Jewish sage Hillel would say, “If I am only for myself, what am I?”

l’shalom.

Josh

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spaci1701

How much of a Jewish holiday such as Hanukkah can be celebrated by goyim without it being appropriation?

I’m asking this seriously and with only good intent. I’m a Scouter and part of what we try to teach our youth is respect for everyone’s beliefs. I’ve had discussions with imams to figure out how best to keep camp halal for a youth.

But I’ve always hesitated to bring in lessons on others’ faiths because I don’t want to overstep yet I also want to expose the kids to as many faiths as possible so that they grow up understanding and respecting.

Where’s the line? Can I (an agnostic) teach the 5-7 year olds the bare basics of Hanukkah and make a paper menorah craft or am I better to just avoid the topic all together unless I can bring in experts?

Hi there @spaci1701 ,

Thank you so much for your really thoughtful question. I’m really digging this thread- it’s great that you’ve joined !

I think that it’s important to come at these conversations from perspective to help frame where an individual might stand on a particular issue. You mentioned that you are identify as an agnostic. Something that I’ve noticed about most folks who identify as agnostics (and not as “agnostic Muslims” or “agnostic Jews”) is that they are most likely former Christians or their form of agnosticism benefits from being a part of a majority system. I think that is an important frame here : because although many folks have the best intent in mind (and I have no doubt in my mind that you don’t have only the best intent based on this very thorough and thoughtful question), oftentimes they should not be appropriating Jewish ritual.

Your question brings up a lot of really good questions that I’d like to answer individually.

Q- Can a non-Jew teach others about Hanukkah?

A- absolutely. Please do. Especially children. But please make sure to not white wash it. Teach about the battle of Hanukkah. Teach about why the Maccabee’s were fighting the battle and the centrality if Jerusalem to Jewish tradition and history. Teach about the myth of the oil lasting 8 nights. Teach about miracles. Teach about the driedel and the Hanukiah (Hanukkah menorah). And don’t let the Jewish kids feel left out at a time when a Jew cannot look two feet without being reminded that they are a Jew living in a Christian culture.

Q- What is the best way for a non-Jew to teach about Hanukkah?

A- If you can, please check in with your local rabbi it cantor - or a Jewish parent - to see if they could teach the lesson. If you can’t, please go over your lesson with a Jewish Professional - clergy or otherwise - to make sure it is effective. (I am a student rabbi and would be more than happy to help you if need be!)

Q- Can a Hanukkah lesson be taught to a room of children who are not Jewish?

A- absolutely. All children should be introduced to the family traditions and religious traditions of their peers.

Q- Is it inappropriate for a non-Jewish child to create a Hanukkah craft such as a paper Hanukiah (Hanukkah menorah) or another craft?

A- Personally I don’t think so, unless this is a classroom of only non-Jews. I think if the Jewish children celebrate Christmas with their Christian peers, I don’t see why Christian children shouldn’t not celebrate Hanukkah with their Jewish peers! If the project/celebration involves a Hanukkah craft, I say go for it! But please make sure to *raise* the Jewish children up and ask them to help you teach the lessons: what do you do at home for Hanukkah? What’s your favorite part? What’s your favorite Hanukkah food? Etc

Q- Is it inappropriate to do a Hanukkah craft with a group of students who are totally not Jewish at all?

A- Yes. I think that it is. I believe that it is because the Christian students are not celebrating with a Jewish student(s). Instead, I suggest asking for a local Jewish clergy person to come in to teach students about Hanukkah. Or even to do so over Skype would work well. Again if you’d like supoort in finding someone to come in or if you’d like me to skype in, please let me know!

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black and asian vikings 100% definitely existed (also, saami vikings)

you know how far you can get into eurasia and africa by sailing up rivers from the baltic and mediterranean seas? pretty fucking far, and that’s what vikings liked to do to trade

then, you know, people are people, so love happens, business happens, and so ppl get married and take spouses back home to the frozen hellscape that is scandinavia (upon which i’m guessing the horrorstruck new spouses went “WHAT THE FUCK??? FUCKING GIVE ME YOUR JACKET???????”)

and sometimes vikings bought thralls and brought them home as well, and i mean, when your indentured service is up after however many years and you’re a free person again, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe it’s a bit hard to get all the way home across the continent, so you make the best out of the situation and you probably get married and raise a gaggle kids

so yeah

viking kingdoms/communities were not uniformly pure white aryan fantasy paradises, so pls stop using my cultural history and ethnic background to excuse your racist discomfort with black ppl playing heimdall and valkyrie

Also we KNOW they got to Asia and Africa. 

Why?

Because Asians, Africans, and Vikings TOLD US SO. 

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Also, we know there was significant mercantile trade between Scandinavia and parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Northern India, Kashmir, North and Eastern Africa because there is evidence in burial sites.

Check that out: the goods Vikings and Scandinavians were getting from their trade with the rest of the world was so important they buried themselves with it, as part of their treasure hordes.

We KNOW this.

There’s a reason you can still see many of the trade routes from the ancient world etched into the very earth.

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prokopetz

Plus, we know that some Scandinavian cultures that participated in Viking raids had established minority communities of ethnically Mongolian folks living among them during the periods when such raids were common, and it’s difficult to credit that none of them would have signed on.

Yet another on the pile of reasons why it monumentally honks me off when pusillanimous, pseudointellectual white supremacist scum try to use Scandinavian culture as a crutch for their arguments and act like Norse mythology agrees with their biases. No it fucking doesn’t, bitch. Odin would personally kick you in the dick for being a witless coward and then send your ass to the Realm of the Dishonored Dead.

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armory-rasa

I don’t usually reblog stuff, but this thread makes me so happy. See, I love the Viking aesthetic – I love the fusion of organic and geometric in its designs, I love the natural colors, the complexity of textures you get from juxtaposing metal/leather/cloth/fur–

–and I hate how the entire subculture has been so thoroughly co-opted by white supremacists. To the point where I, a person who likes viking stuff, am deeply and immediately suspect of anyone else who likes viking stuff, guilty until proven innocent, cuz that’s what the odds are these days.

Anyway.

As far as I’m concerned, anyone can be a viking, and thus I am so, so pleased to find that the historical record backs me up.

(And amused that Arab intellectual Ahmad ibn Fadlan was so thirsty for vikings.)

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ayellowbirds

reclaim vikings from racists 2kForever

Thank, I thought I was gonna have to add some things, but I’m pretty satisfied. Atleast one Roman dude I know of has been dug out of a viking grave being buried with stuff that both labelled him clearly as of roman ancestry, aswell as integrated into viking life. Muslim coins were found in Sweden. Just. Lots. There’s so much proof of actual logical and interesting stuff. Imagine a society that shut out every other cultural infuence and remain uhhh… “pure”? How boring?? How unrealistic??

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this is the Christmas Poncho. she will bring you good fortune this holiday season, no matter what you do or don’t celebrate!

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My latest comic for The Nib was written by my friend Mike Thompson- it’s his first published comics work! 

The Nib has been a steady source of income and a huge support to me and many other indie cartoonists for years. They publish amazing work, but will be cut loose by their financial backer in July. You can read the official post about it from editor Matt Bors here.  They are still running their kickstarter-funded print magazine, but have to put digital publishing on hiatus until they figure out their next steps. If you’ve been thinking about supporting their membership program, now would be a good time. They have levels from $2 to $40 per month. I really don’t want this to be my last Nib piece! 

you know what, THIS is how you address historical queer folks of all stripes in a respectful way. you refer to them the way they chose to be referred to, and you say “it’s impossible to know how they would’ve identified in today’s society, but they’re part of our history regardless”.

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Concept: Gender reveal parties for non binary/agender/fluid/secretive people where instead of the honoree revealing their gender, the guests all bring a gender suggestion. Like “cowboy”, “abandoned Blockbuster” or “Victorian child ghost” and then the person picks a winner.

A gender potluck, if you will.

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black and asian vikings 100% definitely existed (also, saami vikings)

you know how far you can get into eurasia and africa by sailing up rivers from the baltic and mediterranean seas? pretty fucking far, and that’s what vikings liked to do to trade

then, you know, people are people, so love happens, business happens, and so ppl get married and take spouses back home to the frozen hellscape that is scandinavia (upon which i’m guessing the horrorstruck new spouses went “WHAT THE FUCK??? FUCKING GIVE ME YOUR JACKET???????”)

and sometimes vikings bought thralls and brought them home as well, and i mean, when your indentured service is up after however many years and you’re a free person again, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe it’s a bit hard to get all the way home across the continent, so you make the best out of the situation and you probably get married and raise a gaggle kids

so yeah

viking kingdoms/communities were not uniformly pure white aryan fantasy paradises, so pls stop using my cultural history and ethnic background to excuse your racist discomfort with black ppl playing heimdall and valkyrie

Also we KNOW they got to Asia and Africa. 

Why?

Because Asians, Africans, and Vikings TOLD US SO. 

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note-a-bear

Also, we know there was significant mercantile trade between Scandinavia and parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Northern India, Kashmir, North and Eastern Africa because there is evidence in burial sites.

Check that out: the goods Vikings and Scandinavians were getting from their trade with the rest of the world was so important they buried themselves with it, as part of their treasure hordes.

We KNOW this.

There’s a reason you can still see many of the trade routes from the ancient world etched into the very earth.

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prokopetz

Plus, we know that some Scandinavian cultures that participated in Viking raids had established minority communities of ethnically Mongolian folks living among them during the periods when such raids were common, and it’s difficult to credit that none of them would have signed on.

Yet another on the pile of reasons why it monumentally honks me off when pusillanimous, pseudointellectual white supremacist scum try to use Scandinavian culture as a crutch for their arguments and act like Norse mythology agrees with their biases. No it fucking doesn’t, bitch. Odin would personally kick you in the dick for being a witless coward and then send your ass to the Realm of the Dishonored Dead.

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armory-rasa

I don’t usually reblog stuff, but this thread makes me so happy. See, I love the Viking aesthetic – I love the fusion of organic and geometric in its designs, I love the natural colors, the complexity of textures you get from juxtaposing metal/leather/cloth/fur–

–and I hate how the entire subculture has been so thoroughly co-opted by white supremacists. To the point where I, a person who likes viking stuff, am deeply and immediately suspect of anyone else who likes viking stuff, guilty until proven innocent, cuz that’s what the odds are these days.

Anyway.

As far as I’m concerned, anyone can be a viking, and thus I am so, so pleased to find that the historical record backs me up.

(And amused that Arab intellectual Ahmad ibn Fadlan was so thirsty for vikings.)

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ayellowbirds

reclaim vikings from racists 2kForever

Thank, I thought I was gonna have to add some things, but I’m pretty satisfied. Atleast one Roman dude I know of has been dug out of a viking grave being buried with stuff that both labelled him clearly as of roman ancestry, aswell as integrated into viking life. Muslim coins were found in Sweden. Just. Lots. There’s so much proof of actual logical and interesting stuff. Imagine a society that shut out every other cultural infuence and remain uhhh… “pure”? How boring?? How unrealistic??

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This is how you should ask trans and non-binary people about their identity 

YOURE DOING SO WELL SWEETIE IM SO PROUD OF YOU

This is cute

Mad respect to people who are supportive and doing all they can to be informed! 

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