I think Banksy's black and White home piece thing is saying that it's his place, his HOME. Ya feel? Overall awesome write-up on the King Robbo thing, really good insight into the world of street art politics.
thanks! there’s a couple errors, not facts but just opinions i changed while talking to people more involved in street art than i am. but yeah! some people explained that piece to me and its been interpreted as King Robbo being out of his league, a “fish out of water”. he’s leaping towards a painting of a beach, a paradise, which is intangible.
eh, like all art though there’s lots of interpretation and i like your idea too about it being his home. cool theory :)
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Your thoughts are EXACTLY the same as my own on the King Robbo x Banksy beef. I strongly dislike Banksy. Just thought I'd also add that after Banksy painted his awful rendition of Robbo's original as a 'memorial', some Team Robbo supporters covered it up completely and repainted the original as best they could.
well im glad that they did, the piece deserved to be where ti belonged and done by people who loved King Robbo
this all comes from a place of love. and banksy is very embarrassing to street artists everywhere. but personally, as a street artist who does both stencil, and freehand, you said something that stuck a nerve with me. you really just should not talk shit about people who make stencils. i dont spend days preparing a stencil for someone who isnt even part of the community to diminish stencils to "literal cookie cutter" art, when it takes so much more skill than you are giving credit for.
i meant specifically banksy’s stencils, again i wasn’t being exceptionally clear in that post. after researching into banksy i ran across blek le rat and i think that 100% banksy’s pieces are cookie cutter art. he doesn’t do anything original with his stencils and they hardly look like his, even.
that being said i apologize for being disrespectful towards other stencil artists with my poor word choice
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tfw you re-read a post you made and you realize you left off in the middle of a thought and didnt fucking explain yourself because you can’t use words.
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Ohhhh wait I misinterpreted your words, I understand what you mean with the insulting part now. I agree with you! It's pretty much an indirect way of Banksy trying to steal King Robbo's work
not to mention covering it up. but with the other things he’s pilfered, ie. blek le rat’s work im not really surprised. i dont usually bother with complaining about banksy but the whole dismaland thing opening kinda reignited the flame.
im not a graffiti artist so i dont really understand the culture and code 100% but i was surprised how many people didnt know about what he did to King Robbo.
I didn't mean for my message to be insulting to you or anyone, so I apologize if it came off that way~ and thank you for answering my message😌
oh nono! i meant that i just find it worse of banksy, not you!! sorry if i seemed stand offish. i thought your message was worthwhile and a good correction so i actually edited the post haha
Hey I think yer thing on Banksy was really cool, and I've never heard that before. Do you think you could send me some sources so I can learn more?
sure! here’s a nice documentary about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulOiB3xEkzM
also this is supposedly an interview with King Robbo! http://sabotagetimes.com/life/king-robbo-archive-interview-my-graffiti-war-with-banksy
The meaning about what bansky did with the weird living room mural is he is calling king robbo a fish out of water thus why a fish is jumping out of the bowl. Kinda saying that they are not I'm the same league in a very banksy style.
ohh i see! this is really interesting. thanks!
hey! on the post you made about King Robbo and Banksy, the stencil that he put up of the wall painter depicts him putting UP wallpaper of King Robbo's work, rather than taking it down. (You don't need a paint brush and glue to tear stuff down u feel). I'm not justifying his complete asshole and douchebag tendencies, but the post is just spreading a tiny bit of [probably minor] false information, but I felt like it needed to be cleared up x)
mmmm. that seems even more insulting to me, i guess. i was just going off sources i read but i’ll post this so people can see!
graffiti thoughts
so, there’s a lot of shit going around about banksy right now.
i’m just going to say here that i’m not a graffiti artist. i very much enjoy graffiti but i don’t make graffiti art and these are simply my personal thoughts as an outside perspective.
first of all, i don’t think that tagging and what banksy does are even in the same league. tagging is a specific statement. it takes space, it is a nonviolent way to fight the legality and oppression of the government. it breaks the law in an artistic way where nobody gets hurt. it’s used to claim territory, to immortalize, and to fight against the powers at be. in most cases, its freestyled. it takes hours. the graffiti community is tight knit and exercises a good amount of respect for one another. graffiti is seen by most as a blemish, strange words or names written fantastically on walls that don’t belong to the artist, without permission, and are often covered up by street cleaners because they depreciate business/real estate value.
i do not find banksy as a graffiti artist because he doesn’t do these things. he’s not a radical and he’s not some kind of political revolutionary. he’s not claiming space for the oppressed, he’s just trying to make a buck on a scene he probably thought was cool.
EDIT: this doesn’t mean banksy isnt a street artist. i was simply addressing the misconception that his work is “graffiti”. street artists, like banksy, usually use stencils and make statements about social policies, war, racism, etc. street art is usually more widely accepted as art. however i meant to make it more clear that i disagree with people who specifically think he is a graffiti artist and rereading this post i see i didn’t really have the intended effect due to poor wording.
this would be fine with me, if it wasn’t for the inexcusable tragedy that was the years leading up to King Robbo’s death.
this piece was painted by King Robbo in 1985. It was located under the London Transport Police Headquarters in Camden, London. this place was only accessible by water. when most of Robbo’s other works had been covered up, this one remained. for a while it was the oldest piece in London.
by 2009, the piece had gone the way most tags go, everything is transient and every space is fair game for more people to make their marks. this is the nature of graffiti, and to it King Robbo took no offense.
that year, Banksy painted this. It is a wall painter, removing the piece from the walls. he took the oldest piece of graffiti in london, which was no longer even just King Robbo’s, but an impromptu collaboration between many london graffiti artists, and he disrespected it. if it wasn’t enough that they were getting jailed while banksy was making millions for the same work, he disrespected them. he spit on them. he decided his statement was worth more than the oldest piece of graffiti in london and on top of that, THIS IS A STENCIL. he couldn’t even free-hand it! he decided his LITERAL cookie-cutter street art was more important that Robbo’s only surviving legacy.
EDIT: tumblr user sixtypizzas explained to me that this was supposed to be a wall painter putting up King Robbo’s piece, which is somehow more insulting to me. this is just my opinion and you’re welcome to draw your own conclusions but depicting somebody paste up King Robbo’s most famous work seems to cheapen it.
insulted, King Robbo replied. he was quoted saying "I was at a place called the Dragon Bar on Old Street. I was introduced to a couple of guys who were like 'whoa it's nice to meet you!'. When I was introduced to Banksy, I went 'Oh yeah I've heard of you mate, how you doing?' and he went 'well I've never heard of you'...he dismissed me as a nobody, as nothing. So with that I slapped him and went 'oh what you ain't heard of me? you won't forget me now will you?' and with that he picked up his glasses and ran off." obviously this was an insulting display to King Robbo, who had managed what most graffiti artists can never pull off, he had a timeless piece. he gained some fame, some notoriety. this piece, of all the pieces in london, banksy covered up with a stencil. EVEN SO, Robbo left banksy’s work, whereas banksy deliberately covered his up.
banksy replied. as you can see, very thought provoking. quite profound.
King Robbo corrected the piece.
at this point, an unknown third part covers the wall.
it wasn’t over, as this had become very personal for King Robbo. He painted this work. At this point, many other graffiti artists had already started tagging the streets with “TEAM ROBBO”. many of banksy’s works were being tagged over, like he did to King Robbo’s, in an effort to send a message. Mainstream media called these “defacement” and “vandalism” of banksy Originals, where the travesty against King Robbo went mostly unnoticed outside london and the graffiti community.
as you can see, Team Robbo exploded, giving many of banksy’s pieces the same respect he gave King Robbo’s long-standing artwork.
after being blacked out again, banksy painted this piece. the meaning is lost on me, if you know what it means, let me know. it’s strange and confusing.
EDIT: tumblr user inthebellyofaelephant explained the meaning of the piece as thus: "The meaning about what bansky did with the weird living room mural is he is calling king robbo a fish out of water thus why a fish is jumping out of the bowl. Kinda saying that they are not I'm the same league in a very banksy style."
this had gone on into 2011, when King Robbo fell into a coma. It was only 5 days before his exhibition, “Team Robbo - The Sellout Tour”. he unfortunately never got to attend his exhibition, and never again woke up. he died in july 2014.
banksy, supposedly making a memorial, made sure he got the last word:
RIP King Robbo.