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Taraji & Empire & POI & Jim C. POI: Came for Jim Caviezel & Taraji P. Henson. Fan of the original Core Four Seasons 1-3. Joss Carter & Careese forever!
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Martha Jones appreciation?

So if you guessed that this New to the Fandom Masterpost was going to devolve into me just polling my followers every day and night, YOU WOULD BE CORRECT. haha

Tonight’s question has to do with a section I’m titling “Major Fandom Issues.” One topic people get particularly passionate about and write excellent prize-worthy meta on is appreciating Martha. So I want to know: 

What is the most well-written/best Martha Jones appreciation post you’ve ever read? (link please)

Have you written a solid Martha Jones appreciation post? (link please)

Also feel free to submit other major fandom issues you think newbies need to know about, vocabulary terms, writing resources, reading tips, general DW trivia links, Brit vs. American differences, and potentially confusing Tumblr/fandom things everyone just assumes you know. (<- all of my current categories. Did I mention this thing is a beast?)

I’m a few days late but Martha appreciation posts are basically the reason I live.

Posts about Martha and racism:

https://tenlittlebullets.tumblr.com/post/21352420328/martha-jones-and-racism

http://kendrixtermina.tumblr.com/post/120572875380/ill-never-understand-martha-jones-hate

Posts about Martha in general:

http://thehummingbirdsound.tumblr.com/post/135865486733

http://sophiesfacade.tumblr.com/post/133736226288/ok-honestly-im-still-grieving-because-of-clara

http://fmlcomic.tumblr.com/post/130860973094/rant-on-martha-jones-behalf

http://jesuisquoijesuis.tumblr.com/post/130140556177/martha-jones-is-my-queen-and-it-should-be-a-crime

http://hopehufflepuff.tumblr.com/post/130225886692/martha-jones-quits-the-tardis-two-valid-reasons (The original post seems to have been deleted, but I reblogged it before it was deleted so the whole post’s there)

http://hopehufflepuff.tumblr.com/post/125982114622/helpmeimangry-how-i-mean-how-do-people-dislike (The blog for this one was deactivated but I reblogged the post)

http://penfairy.tumblr.com/post/108147284439/your-fave-is-problematic-russell-t-davies

http://perfectlyrose.tumblr.com/post/116411906225/why-do-you-like-martha

http://tinyconfusion.tumblr.com/post/116433836200/why-do-you-like-martha

And this one defends both Martha and Mary Morstan from Sherlock since she’s in a similar situation in the Sherlock fandom so that’s awesome:

http://penfairy.tumblr.com/post/126638768819/first-of-all-i-loved-the-post-about-the-latin

These aren’t all of the Martha appreciation posts out there, but these are the ones I was able to find just now.

Going back in time to when I was watching Martha (which was later than her episodes actually aired, but still a good while ago):

Mostly reblogging this for the other links, though.

#martha jones#freema agyeman#doctor who
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Long post ahead. After a discussion with a newer Person of Interest fan, I started writing some show and fandom history: my POV as an ‘official’ fandom old-timer. Just season one stuff for now. This includes mentions of anti-black racism and misogyny, fyi.

  • Lots of the advance promo materials left Carter out. TPH was one of three regular cast members at that point (Chapman wasn’t a regular until later), and she had an Oscar nomination. *sigh*
  • The pilot episode aired 22 September 2011.
  • At first you could watch the early episodes of season one on the CBS website. 
  • Fannish speculation back then pointed at Warner as the source of the problem. After all, CBS did initially the post episodes online. Why would they choose to stop, especially since the show was doing so well?
  • Episode 1x06 was when my own interest level in the show made a big leap, because of Catwoman! I was using livejournal as my base of fannish activity, and most other fans at the main PoI comm there were not excited about Zoe. I didn’t know it was a sign, but it was.
  • PoI is both my first and last fandom for a TV show with two white men in the leading roles. You’re the worst, fandom.
  • I wrote my first fanfic (in less than a week!) for PoI thanks to Catwoman.
  • Early in season one, Nina Tassler, CBS executive, stepped in and told the show runners to bring Carter into the fold sooner rather than later.
  • So 1x09 featured a lot of Carter, including flashbacks. We finally got a first name for her!
  • And that was when I saw fandom’s totally-not-racist (hah) analysis for characters of color applied to Carter, including:
  • she’s badly written
  • the acting is bad
  • she’s boring
  • I can never forgive her for [action the white men also did]
  • and more!
  • Azar and I crossed paths, and she suggested a Carter-specific comm. After 1x10 aired (December 2011), and so much of fandom’s reaction was negative toward Carter, we made the comm wegetcarter.

I should mention that my brief forays into other places for fannish content were all terrible as well. Television Without Pity had a PoI forum, and a fan there actually called Carter a cockblock to Reese and Finch. In season one! IMDB was a cesspool of thinly veiled racism. One reviewer popular within fandom declared that Carter was (unforgiveably) rude, and ranted about that for a couple of paragraphs.

Someone out there made an online petition in December 2011 to get Carter killed. This will be relevant (heh) again in season two fandom history.

All of this was happening while fandom was really quite small. The show was a big hit on CBS, especially once Carter joined the team, but online we were a tiny presence. For example, the show was an eligible fandom for Yuletide 2011, and there were seven fanfics written for that. (Granted, only 10 episodes had aired by then.) One of those stories was my Reese & Finch zombie fic.

Okay, back to bullet points for a bit.

  • I began to understand the appeal of tumblr - not that it was a safe haven for Carter fans, but it was definitely less horrible than livejournal.
  • I mentioned how tiny PoI fandom was. At one point in January 2012 I googled “Detective Joss Carter” and one of my livejournal entries about the show was in the top ten results.
  • Since I live too far from a big city for free TV, and I didn’t have cable or satellite, I usually found alternate ways to watch season one. That meant waiting until the next day to watch.
  • Not watching until the next day usually meant delaying my own participation in episode discussion posts. I FELT SO LEFT OUT.
  • The promotional material for 1x17 “Baby Blue” made it look like a light-hearted baby romp. LIGHT-HEARTED. Hahahaha…
  • Well, I guess it actually was, until Elias happened.
  • There was a three week hiatus after 1x17, and I wrote not-fix-it fic twice in that time. LOL. (Not a fast writer, I just really wanted to not-fix things.)
  • Season one wrapped up with that cliffhanger (Finch in Root’s tender care), and I started writing my one and only multi-chapter fic. It took all summer and even a bit into season two for me to finish.
  • I ordered a blu-ray player just so I could buy the fancy blu-ray discs for the show’s first season.
  • Right before season two began, there was a post about Carter on the main livejournal comm. The post and comments included the angry black woman trope (”Carter is rude!”) and a long and nit-picky discussion of her clothes and shoes, in addition to the usual stuff about bad writing and acting choices, and even more! That was the final straw for me. I already had tumblr and the Carter comm; I just gave up on that comm as a place to talk about the show. 

And then season two began. It was even more exciting than this. O_o

eta: I’m white. PoI fandom was my first real close-up look at racism within a TV fandom. I’m sure I missed plenty because I didn’t know to look for it yet. Also, if I messed up, you can tell me.

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@ rose-griffes Thank you for your hardwork in documenting all of this. I can’t help feeling I should be doing something like this. But this show really broke my heart as much as I hate to admit it. It’s been hard to revisit. But as an advocate for black female characters to get fair treatment, these issues will keep coming around and must be addressed. You are awesome!

#rose-griffes#joss carter#careese#taraji p. henson
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POI fandom has a perfect example of what “heteronormative” actually looks like

look at reese and iris - he’s the big strong violent emotionally unavailable white man. she’s the small vulnerable soft touchy-feely white woman who just wants him to talk about his feelings. she comes to admire how big and strong and violent he is so much that she throws her professional ethics down the drain to date him because she is helpless before the woman feelings he inspires in her

because heteronormativity isn’t just “these characters are in a het relationship” it’s a whole constellation of tropes of gender essentialism and a sexist hierarchy of power in a het relationship as the natural/”normative” dynamic between men and women. and it’s embedded in the long history of white supremacy.

the fact that anybody can accuse Carter/Reese of being heteronormative or cliche or just “fucking straights” is just… uninformed bullshit.

You can’t call a romantic relationship that would have been illegal in many states until the 1960s “normative.”

All of this. I was too mad to be coherent the last time I ranted about how Carter x Reese isn’t heteronormative.

Alabama still had its miscegenation laws on the books until 2000. And even then, 40% of voters wanted to keep their (unenforceable) ban against interracial marriage.

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INTERESTING, and well said. Reese and Carter were unique on many levels, definitely not a cliche, oh my gawd...

#careese#my feelings#joss carter#Reese
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I will literally never be over Lee Pace playing Thranduil in The damn Hobbit. Like why is this man so fine? Why does he look so damn regal. I wanna get underneath his robes and feel his hair trail over me.  Sigh...

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SQEUUUUUUEEEEUUU....i LOVe Lee Pace! He’s so slept on.

#pisces-too#lee pace#Thranduil#one of my baes
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Zoom in on her face in the third gif. She means this. You are completely irreplaceable.

This went deep man. Look at her face. I would love to know where this came from, what she was talking about. And it’s true. So true. Completely irreplaceable. You are you and there is no better you

Reblogging because I needed to see this message tonight, and something tells me someone else does too.

Reblogging as I think every one of my followers are special and impossible to replace.

Remember that.

#LISTEN TO ELLEN YOU
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Teyonah Parris attends the 47th NAACP Image Awards Nominees’ Luncheon at The Beverly Hilton Hotel on January 23, 2016 in Beverly Hills, California.

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