Promised KinnPorsche schmexy time art
KinnPorsche and ChatKhem "flying a kite"
full offense but none of you would have ever survived fanfiction.net in 2009
remember when writers had to be all like: “omg omg lemon starts HERE” y’all are lucky that ao3 has tags and filters you can set
Sometimes shit was marked “lemon” and it’d just be them making out, and sometimes they’d just start pissing on each other
No rules, no laws, you took your life into your hands opening fics
A/N: this contains SLASH, that means TWO MEN, if that makes you uncomfy, DON’T READ!
A/N: please don’t sue me, o anime overlords, I’m not making any money off of this! I’m just a broke student! I don’t have any money!
A/N: I totally wrote this while high off 10 Red Bulls wheeeeeee!!!!!
A/N: COMMENT if you want me to continue the next chappy!!!
No, no, no
remember when there’d be interactions with the author and the characters?
InuYasha: I don’t get why I have to be here for this
A/N: Because it was in your contract!!1!1 *revs chainsaw*
god those were lawless times.
I know the genie is out of the bottle and you can't go back but dear GOD I hate the mainstreamification of fandom so much
I do NOT want authors or showrunners or actors to acknowledge us or talk about fanfic or fanart or fan theories! I do NOT want people asking questions of the canon creators and getting them answered (make up your own answers, like god intended!) I do NOT want companies making jokey advertisements aimed toward fandom!
I know that fandom was never entirely underground but like... I miss that fourth wall existing, you know?
Because in my last ask, I said New was alive and everything was a hallucination as the boys were dying.
A bitch decided to unmute for once, and we hear something being lit and burning at the very end of the episode when Phee says they are still in the house
Then someone exhales.
Exactly like New did at the very beginning of the episode.
Go back. Replay the beginning and the end.
They are the same.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
After ruminating on this ending a lot - this made me feel a lot better lol. Because I've been wondering at what point Phee could've still been stuck in his hallucination. I was thinking that it was after New woke him up and then he stole New's case from him and smoked again (didn't smoke the antidote just the hallucinogen again).
But I like this theory too that from the very beginning he never left because it would explain a LOT better why New would even wake Phee up to begin with because it never happened. That was throwing me for a loop because there was no way at that point New would trust Phee like that and we already know his convictions are strong enough that he isn't gonna shy away from killing just because someone would be collateral (White & the uncle for example, and Phee is a lot guiltier in New's eyes than either of those two).
In either case though New could very much still either be alive or at the very least was successful in completing his revenge.
Dead Friend Forever: Notes on the Finale
We made it! And I am... mostly, if not wholly, satisfied. That ending was both better than expected and still fell short in a few key places, and there are clear indicators of industry business interfering with the final choices (a common Thai bl problem these days).
The Good
The hallucination sequences were excellent, felt super well grounded in everything we know about these characters, and the way it connected to the real world consequences for each of them was excellent. Fluke stabbing his own eyes, Fluke and Top dying trying to fight each other while they denied their culpability to the end, Jin maiming his own hand, Phee reliving his promises to Non that he utterly failed to keep, and Tee stabbing White thinking he was Non all felt like very appropriate consequences. I am devastated that White died, but it's not an inappropriate consequence in this genre. He got involved with a bad dude and he paid for it.
New's final moments with the hallucination of Non were beautifully done. We've been building to this final breakdown for weeks, and he was too far gone to keep on living. I said last week he was already a dead man walking, and I felt that every moment in this episode. He tried his best to avenge his brother, and mostly succeeded despite Phee turning on him. Phee being the one to kill him in the end was also a good final sin for Phee and completed his descent and betrayal of the brothers over the last several weeks. I appreciated that his hallucination sequence was longer and more detailed than the rest; he had actual commitments to Non, so his betrayal was worse.
The Not So Good
A copout ending and too many loose ends. This episode was great right up until the moment they chose to air an ambiguous ending to protect a ship and attempt to please all fans. They wanted to have their cake (keep the show's main ship intact) and eat it, too (punish them as the narrative demanded). Rather than pick up the axe left on the ground last week and finish the story with Phee and Jin getting what was coming to them, they did an out of nowhere time skip, set up a happy ending for them, and then ended on an implication (but not a clear confirmation) that actually they did die back at the cabin and this last few minutes was another fantasy sequence.
This was frustrating for a few reasons: it broke the mood, tone, and rhythm of the ending, it denied the audience the catharsis of seeing Phee and Jin die, it gave a nod to a happy ending for them that didn't go at all with the narrative, and it wimped out on delivering a more definitive and fitting ending for them. Not to mention that this ending left us with no closure on Non's death, which happened offscreen, or the axe left on the ground and signaled to us as a clear threat in the penultimate episode, or who exactly was behind the mask at various moments. Even if they wanted to do this time jump and final twist, there were much better ways to do it, such as actually showing us Phee and Jin's bodies still in the woods. Leaving it this vague was a copout of a choice designed to appease fans, and it felt like one.
In The End
All that said, I read that ending as a confirmation that Phee and Jin are in fact dead back in the woods. Jin's maimed left hand was never shown in the jump forward, which would have been a crystal clear indicator that it was real. The whole tone of the sequence felt wrong and very discordant with everything that came before. And I simply can't accept that Phee would be allowed to murder New and still survive this story. It would be wrong, and the show clearly knows that, which is why they acknowledged it with that ending.
I enjoyed the experience of watching this show, and I thought the writing was truly excellent through the first nine episodes. The pacing issues and weirdness around the Phee and Jin material began in ep 10, and we can see why now that we know the ending. I wish the drama had stuck to the courage of its convictions and ended on a stronger note, but I am satisfied that most of the characters got what they deserved. It's been a pleasure clowning with you all.
Kinn sensing big gay energy from Porsche, only to find out she’s straight (for now)
Should we announce? KINNPORSCHE THE SERIES (2022) dir. Khom Kongkiat
Thank you for leaving these tags @pharawee! Without getting into any speculation about how Dead Friend Forever will actually end, I do want to address your question and talk about why most of us want to see severe consequences for these boys. The short answer: it's about genre expectations and the psychological catharsis of a good revenge narrative.
To get down to the really basic point: people who love revenge thrillers love them because they are a fantasy construct in which good people survive and bad people get what they deserve. In a world where bad things happen and we rarely have any control, a good revenge story can be exhilarating, giving you the feeling that justice prevailed, villains received appropriate comeuppance for their wrongs, and the protagonist seized control back and experienced much needed catharsis for their suffering. Real life is very much not like this, which is why it's such an appealing genre of fiction.
So how do we calibrate what "appropriate comeuppance" means? This is where genre expectations become really important, because the genre the revenge narrative plays out in sets the terms for where that bar sits. In The Glory, a recent world class revenge drama, we were in the psychological thriller genre, so revenge came in the form of Dong Eun playing mind games with her bullies until they destroyed their own lives. No murder necessary. Dead Friend Forever, however, is in the horror genre, and specifically began its story by planting itself in the slasher subgenre, giving us a masked killer and setting up expectations that these boys are being hunted. When you watch a slasher, you come in with the mindset that most of the characters are going to die and begin rooting for it and looking for reasons why they "deserve" it. And typically, in a slasher, it takes very little for a character to "deserve" a death--you often see people die for the tiniest infractions, like making a rude comment, telling a bad joke, or having sex. But DFF went much farther than that and gave us a multi episode flashback in which we got a detailed accounting of every wrong this group of boys committed against Non, increasing the audience's bloodlust and conviction that these boys needed to pay.
So why do so many of us want the bullies to die? Because the genre demands it, and the story set the audience up to expect it from the outset. I have seen some discussion of the way the show is blending different horror subgenres and not sticking strictly to typical slasher conventions, and that's true, and expected. Slashers are usually two hours max, and this show needed to fill 10+ hours of content, so it's doing a really interesting blend of slasher, mystery, psychological thriller, and other horror subgenres. But the bones of the story still hold, and despite the storytelling choice to give the villains some nuance and fleshed out motivations for their behavior, they are still villains who destroyed Non's life. If you're feeling overly sympathetic to any of these boys at present, I encourage you to go back and remind yourself how they behaved in the early episodes of this story, which took place after the events of the flashbacks. These are not genuinely remorseful kids who made minor mistakes and then got their acts together and became upstanding citizens; they just want to move on and avoid blame and accountability for what they did, while Non's entire family was irrevocably destroyed by their actions.
If this story ends without Por, Tee, Top, Fluke, Jin, and Phee suffering genre appropriate consequences for their choices that harmed and betrayed Non, it will be a letdown and many will feel unsatisfied. In real life, we may believe that forgiveness is the right path, and we know that Buddhism teaches unconditional forgiveness. But this is not real life. This is a fantasy genre that is specifically meant to provide an escape from the constraints of real life morality and obligations. No one wants to show up to a fantasy party only to receive a moral scolding. The most disappointing thing a revenge narrative can do is wimp out on delivering the actual revenge.
First of all, thank you so much for not treating my tags like something negative because they truly weren't meant as such. I know I'm pretty much an "intruder" with my opinion here, and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. I'm just trying to understand (you should see my google search from the past few days - unfortunately it didn't help much lmao). After all, this is what fiction is for: a safe and valid space to discuss and experience these scenarios and emotions.
I'm actually a big fan of horror and all of its subgenres. So I know about genre rules and expectations. But I also know that with all of the horror movies and games and novels I've watched/played/read... I never really rooted for anyone to die or be punished. It just doesn't bring me satisfaction. I'm more about trying to understand the psychology behind it and enjoying the atmosphere, plot twists and the general art of horror.
That being said, I absolutely don't mind if the show chooses to punish the wrongdoers via the rules of the genre and leaves it at that. It's still a good show and I enjoy watching it for what it is. But also, I still feel sad for these boys because, yeah, that pesky Buddhist concept of unconditional forgiveness as part of the cessation of suffering. I don't really view it as a constraint so I don't want to let go of it. It didn't occur to me that other people might find it freeing though, so thank you for explaining.
I think ultimately what surprised me most is how strong some of the negative reactions to these characters are - especially when BOC went out of their way to humanise even the bullies. But maybe it's all in good fun and I'm taking things too literally? Or maybe things just hit different when bullying is involved (I was thankfully never really bullied so I don't think my opinion here counts for much).
In the end it's a me-problem, and I think I'm just going to resist the urge of reading every DFF comment and review I come across. It's probably not very productive in my case. 🤡
I definitely think it’s the combination of revenge narrative + horror expectations that clinches it. Not all horror has a strong revenge narrative at its core that involves the active participation of all the characters, but this one definitely does and that’s what creates the need for serious consequences. And yeah I think it’s important to recognize that people have very different standards for fiction than real life, and some people do actively go to fiction as an outlet and freedom from real life moralistic constraints. The outcomes we desire for fictional characters often have no bearing on what we would actually think about real people in the real world (this comes up for me all the time in romance too, where IRL I’d be telling a friend to run screaming from a love interest but in fiction I want to see them get together).
And I definitely didn’t take your tags as negative! Always happy to chat about why we react differently to stories. :)
Heh, you're right. I probably tend to avoid anything with a revenge plot and now *chuckles* I'm in danger. 🤣
The thing is, I do like messy, grey characters and fictional villains. I don't need morality in anything I watch and I don't need fiction to teach me anything either. I also in no way think that any of the people who are cheering Tan on are planning their own masked killer revenge plots in real life as we speak.
I hope.
But also I have no problem with open or bad endings and unfulfilled expectations. I love it when stories go against what the audience wants (like the director's cut ending in The Mist? Absolute chef kiss!). I'd be delighted actually if Tan's revenge plot was futile in the end. Not because I think he's wrong but because it would be so unexpected. I'd even be okay if the whole thing ended up as a film in a film in a showfilm and non of it is even real.
I guess what it ultimately comes down to is acknowledging that negative emotions (as experienced and expressed by the audience) can be a positive outlet too. Your post helped me understand that, so thank you for taking the time to explain! 🙏
Really loving this discussion! If I may just jump in as someone who really really wanted a cathartic gay revenge story, then, when the story pivoted and it turned out this was actually potentially an estranged brothers shackled with remorse cathartic revenge story, wanted that even MORE oh my god oh my god, but who simultaneously loves to be taken on a journey and to have narratives defy conventions and expectations - I am personally Team New all the way, but I also don't think that even in something grounded in traditional horror and revenge genre expectations, the characters need to be punished, and catharsis for me as the viewer be reached, for this narrative to be extremely valuable and worthwhile and impactful. The Glory is one of my favorite stories of all time, hands down, forever, and for me it's the blueprint of how to do a revenge story. It's absolutely what I was hoping for when the potential of first Phee and then New as avenger was introduced alongside those absolutely brutal flashbacks. But I'm also just deeply excited for this story to do its own thing. I don't think it's married to genre or conventions, AND I think BL genre considerations like "Ta and Copper are a branded pair fresh out of the gate" are at play here as much as horror conventions and revenge narrative conventions. I've been simultaneously mitigating my own expectations as someone who finds moralizing about forgiveness on behalf of a victim who is (most likely. fingers crossed that this too gets subverted 🤡) not there and can't achieve his own justice, in the name of people who exploited and harmed him in incredible real world ways with no accountability, extremelyyy tiresome, and genuinely getting excited for the fresh possibilities of a story with writing this complex. Like basically tl;dr I'm simultaneously one of the fans braying for blood, AND ready to go wherever the narrative takes me, whether that satisfies me or just provokes a lot of thought (and fix-it fic). It would take a lot to make me actually feel betrayed by the story's choices, and that has me feeling a little lost in the fandom at times. I have a strong sense of what's forgiveable in this text and what's not, and strongly disagree with for example fans ready to let Jin move on or "heal" from what he did, but I don't need the narrative to validate me, I just need it to tell me a really really rich, dense, evocative story that makes me feel and think things. I'm not sure I'm sold on what it owes to us based on any of the mash-ups of genres it's playing with here; that said, I cannot get enough of hearing y'all discuss it, so thank you!
seems like non has to have survived somehow because why are they seeing the masked figure with a crutch? and why did the masked figure grope tee? keng seems legit dead and sold for organs so who else could it be if not non?
Anon, I've stated this multiple times before but telenovelas and Romeo & Juliet have taught me it ain't over until it's over. I have thought that Tan was going to fake his death with the inhaler, and knowing he has been experimenting with drugs made me more excited for the possibility. But now, I'm staring at a dead body that I don't want to believe is dead, and Shakespeare's Juliet, Pit Babe's Charlie, and Sammon's Tan and Bun are looking me right in the face saying "the best way to get someone out is by killing them!"
DO YOU SEE THE VISION?!
Yes, the guys are hallucinating. Yes, the smoke is causing it. But why do they keep seeing crutches?! That's odd!
Phi and Jin heard a car starting when they were at the temple, yet everyone was accounted for, so SOMEONE ELSE IS OUT THERE!
We still have that missing second driver who knows his way around the woods at night and who got held up by the tree in the way but was that a lie?!
The axe just conveniently laying in the temple is strange.
The trees being cut up differently when Jin and Phi were roaming around the woods is weird.
Phi assumed Tan did several of these things, but we know Tan couldn't have done everything Phi accused him of.
And why would we see Perth take this call?
Nothing in this show has been unimportant. Everything we have seen has a reason, so to waste precious time on Perth telling Tee he was leaving after taking this call has to mean something, right? Was it just to show us how much Perth cares about his off-time, so when he stays an extra hour for Tee, it's meaningful?
NO!
The uncle died under mysterious circumstances, and even though I don't need to know how, it's still important that the death wasn't natural.
Because the plot is plotting and someone else is out there killing these people!
And I want it to be Non!
I know believing Non is still alive is a stretch, but even if it isn't Non, someone else is out there, and we've already met all the players, so it's someone we know. There are only so many players left on the board, so who is that hidden character?
Keng is dead. Amen.
As much as I totally and completely ship Fluke x Tan (shut up! leave me alone! it makes sense in my head), I know the doctor isn't helping the biochemist with this.
So if Non really is dead, that leaves White or Perth, and neither one of them would need crutches, and White seems to be having his own little crisis in the finale. The only person who would need crutches is the person who was already limping!
NON IS ALIVE!
He was limping from exhaustion and getting beat for over two weeks, so it would only take a little belladonna in his system for him to die or at least appear to die.
I've always believed there were two killers since the first episode, and I thought they were Tan and Phi, but Phi has ethics or whatever bullshit high horse he is on, yet that doesn't change my mind - There are two killers!
So, once again, Non is either alive or Tan is really the A+ student he has proven to be and got another partner.
LET'S GO, FINALE!
*takes a biiiiig toke of one of New's poison blunts* "Okay, here's how Non can still be alive..."
i just think they're neat
doodle trying a new brush
This might only be funny to me, but consider: Porsche randomly referencing Absolutely Unhinged bartender/service worker drama, with zero context or follow up. "What does getting hit with a folding chair have to do with bachelorette parties, Porsche??"
why would a bachelorette party not involve at least one person getting slammed with a folding chair smh Theerapanyakuls 🙄
but nooooo omg nonny, you're not the only one who would find that hysterical 👀 I imagine it first coming up like;
- Kinn: and I was Porsche's worst customer 😘
- Porsche, not even looking up: eh, you were maybe a 4
- Kinn: a fo- what!
- Porsche, mulling it over: 3.5?
- Kinn: I literally kidnapped you and you had to swim the Chao Phraya
- Porsche: oh good point. solid 4 for sure then
- Kinn:
- Kinn: what
Kinn is dying of curiosity. his brothers are dying of curiosity. Chay's nodding sagely next to Porsche and not explaining anything. all the mafia guards think they're hot shit for brushing off the guns out during training, none of them can even conceive of the nightmares that are "let me speak to your manager." Kinn shooting an apple off Porsche's head is only the eighth scariest thing Porsche has had to keep a straight face through. any time anyone tries to ask Porsche more about these things, Porsche just grimaces and says he'd rather not dwell on bad experiences. everyone is dying of curiosity.
I keep putting off watching recent episodes of DFF not because I don't like it but because I'm legit scared. I just watch spoilers. No further emotional involvement for now.
I put a lot of faith in this show and I'm slowly starting to think that maybe I should try and snatch it back while I still can. Although "think" might be a bit of a stretch. It's more of a survival instinct at that point.
Look, I don't care what trajectory it takes for most plot points and characters and ships and twists. Whatever is fine, it's done a good job so far, I'm in for the ride. There's just one thing I want -okay, maybe one and a half.
And it's for Non to have a good ending, preferably New as well.
And no, "everyone including them gets a bad ending" isn't a valid alternative for me. My love for these characters themselves put aside, it's the message and symbol that matter to me. I'm weary of the usual way characters like them are treated. Mentally and emotionally exhausted. I think I saw some Until Dawn comparisons at some point, and what happened in Until Dawn is exactly what I fear will happen in DFF too. Because it usually does.
Non, who's mentally ill and kept rolling with the punches over and over again, and New, who lived through trauma after trauma since his brother's disappearance, would traditionally snap (Non's aborted attack during his breakdown, New's whole story arc) and die.
It doesn't have to depict them as villains ; it can be a soft, sad and respectful tale of how people get abused and cornered and go too far as a result. So far they lose sight of themselves. But how many stories have you seen where they get a good ending ? The opportunity to heal and live ? Not many. Redemption and peace can only be achieved through death. It may be "realistic", but I find it very funny that media defaults to realism about this specific matter almost all the time.
What's worse, Phee and Jin are presented (so far, I'm still holding my breath) as the more "morally right" characters. Those you could see getting a good ending more easily.
And if Non, and preferably New, don't get a good ending, Phee and Jin absolutely musn't get one either.
They both have their flaws, sure, but how many times have we been shown that Jin is the least horrible person in this friend group, if not a downright good one at heart ? He's painted in a different light, always singled out. And Phee ? He's selfless, he's not a murderer, he's brave, he's kind, he regrets, he forgives, you get it (unless my theory of choice is right, but I'll go with what is explicitly told here). They both display values that everyone else lack.
But they got it served on a plate in comparison with the others. Those values and principles were developed in an environement that let them grow. We don't know much about their financial situation, but we haven't seen them struggle -unlike Non, New, and Tee's families. Phee talks to his dad and goes to him for help ; what about Por, who gets abused and is visibly scared of his father ? What about Non and New's relationship to their parents ? What about Tee's sick father and criminal uncle ? Where's the support system ? What about Fluke, always on his guard, entrenched in the sidelines, too scared to even allow himself to even think ? I'm leaving out Top (who I think represents gratuitous, unassuming evil) and White (who doesn't fit in the same equation for now) here, they give me nothing to work with so far.
Most of them don't have the strenght to walk the "right" path. They lived through shit much harder than Phee (who, by the way, chose to be with Non knowing, or even because, he was riddled with issues, and for whom Non's fate didn't break other parts of his life) or Jin (who seemed to live in his cute bubble before shit went down with Non, unaware even of his friends' true colors). They get a boost from the start and an easier middle, so of fucking course they'd be better armed to fight for a better end. Non was fucked from start to finish. He didn't stand a chance. New didn't stand a chance. Por, Tee and Fluke probably did, but not those two.
And it's not fair. Life isn't fair either, sure, but I can't help but repeat myself : it's fiction. And if even fiction tells you that if you're too damaged, and/or if you stumbled on a bad path while running away from what kept hurting you on the righteous one, then the only peace and redemption you can hope for is death, then I don't want it. Give me hope, not another "bittersweet" catharsis where it's always the same ones getting the bitterness and the same ones getting the sweetness. I don't want to be told I can be forgiven, I want to be told I can win and heal.
On a sidenote, I'm more lenient when it happens in fantasy settings. The events that lead to the character's ultimate fall and broken mind (sometimes rebuilt completely crooked) are far removed from reality. Your whole family was killed, you fought so many wars, truly horrible things, you name it. But in DFF the trauma is painfully rooted in reality. Many viewers, me included, had trouble watching Non's bullying. His breakdown, his loneliness. This is why I'm so demanding with the show. And as the end is closing in, I get scared.
HOWEVER I still have hope. A lot of elements I noticed could point to and ending I could accept. And, you know. It's not like going along with the trope I described is bad. It can be perfectly executed. It's a fine direction to take. Hell, I used to live for this narrative as a teen. It's just not for me anymore, I guess.
... Well, it was supposed to be a short post, apologies for the long rant, but I needed it off my chest.
kinn on a mafia meeting with his bratty bodyguard on his lap, poor porsche hard as a rock trying not to rub himself against his boss's knee 😔🙏🏼
kinn hand first on porsche's waist holding him in place, but then it goes further south to his thigh..... until it reaches his crotch. just putting pressure there, like daring porsche to rut against it in front of so many ppl. its all "under the table" but everyone present is aware of whats going on. freaks and their exhibitionism kink smh
Love In The Air is so fantastically unhinged. The lighting would put a renaissance artist to shame but the sound was recorded on a tin can. One of the main characters kind of works for the mafia but the central conflict is whether the other one has time to do his uni coursework. It's about illegal street racers who are also architects by day? And they chose to spend more time on the architecture part? Fuckin exquisite. I am obsessed.