so many people do not understand that 1) animals are not people, and 2) they aren't teaching their animals what they THINK they are teaching them.
dog group on the book of faces, someone is asking for advice on how to get their dog to come to them after the dog is done relieving itself outside. The dog doesn't like coming to them an they spend ten or twenty minutes or more catching the dog each time to bring it in. Which reminded me of one of many attempts to talk a person through trying to fix exactly this same behavior in *many* other dogs over the years...
Me: So, a quick question for you... does the dog not coming to you and you having to chase them down frustrate you?
Them: Of course!
Me: So what do you do when you finally either catch the dog or get them to come to you?
Them: I give the dog a correction!
Me: So. You get hands on your dog and then you immediately punish them for allowing you to get hands on them. And you wonder why your dog has developed the habit of not coming to you?
Them: No, that's not... I'm punishing them for not coming when I call!
Me: Which was.... fifteen minutes ago, or so, you said?
Them: Yes, when I first called them!
Me: Dogs brains literally cannot link an abstract thought like that. A thought and a consequence MUST happen within 2.4 seconds of one another, or the consequence becomes linked to the most recent behavior, thought, or activity. So, tell me... how is your dog supposed to understand that you punishing them is for the event fifteen minutes ago when you have made such a concerted, if unintentional, effort to teach them that them getting close enough for you to lay hands on them in the yard means an immediate punishment?
Them: But that's not what I *meant*!
Me: Doesn't matter what YOU meant... what THEY learned is that they come to you, and they get punished. Stop punishing your dog for the behavior that you want to see more of.
Stop anthropomorphizing your animals, folks. They don't think like us. Stop setting them - and yourself - up for failure.
with humans, thanks to the capacity for abstract thought, punishing them basically always produces undesired results.
#reminds me of a teacher I had who owned a very smart horse#my teacher also trained horses and was good at it. He said that you had X amount of time to correct a horse behavior#if you missed that window then they would not connect the two events#he also had a policy of never correcting a horse while angry#so he had this really smart horse right? its X value must have been a smidge longer than the others#because through observation it learned that he would correct behavior immediately UNLESS he was mad or physically COULDN'T#so when it did things like bite it learned to do it 1) when he was distracted 2) when he was already angry and 3) very fucking painfully#so instead of a nip whenever it would wait til he had his hands full and then bite him as hard as possible#and of course that X period of time would pass and he couldnt correct the horse#when he told us this story he was like “DONT anthropomorphize horses. But this one made me wonder.”