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Gay Innuendo and Random History Diversions

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Alex/Yonah. she/her, late 20s. I'm a gay Jewish history nerd and my blog reflects that. fandom stuff mostly on sideblogs, but Downton Abbey will make too many appearances.
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Just checking.... We all pronounce Miette like My-TAY in our heads, right?

It's "mne-eeh-t." "Mne-eht" said with that soft tongue on the upper palette French sound or "mee-yet". I put the "n" because the pretty tongue roll on the "y" kinda sounds "n"-like to me.

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mooncustafer

I've been saying it Mee-yet in my head. Like the French word for "crumb."

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flemmboyant

it's obviously mee-YET-eh

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btw: if you reblog this poll, feel free to explain your answer in the tags or the reblog!

Correct Answer: No Role At All

jesus does not play a role in judaism. that includes both the tanach, which is arguably our primary religious text, and the daily religious/cultural practice of judaism. he certainly plays a role in jewish history—largely a negative one, as his followers have persecuted jews for multiple centuries. there is evidence that he may appear briefly in the talmud, which is a compilation of jewish legal commentaries and teachings that modern jewish scholars study throughout their lives. however, this is not a commonly-known fact amongst jews (i myself didn't know this beforehand), nor do regular practicioners ever discuss him in torah study or services. (if any talmudic scholars want to comment on this, absolutely feel free to!)

nothing described above constitutes a role in judaism. one trend i saw in tags was the assumption that, since jews often engage in scholarly and/or religious debate, we likely discuss jesus amongst ourselves. we don't lol; if there's a consensus about anything in judaism, it's probably the jesus thing. there is slight variance amongst individual jews; for example, some consider him a wise rabbi/teacher with good ideas, while for others he's just some jewish guy who probably existed and caused problems.

for every non-jew who believed he had a role, i urge you to reflect on this assumption. where did it come from? who gavey you this information initially—a jew or a gentile? why might a gentile source want you to believe we accept jesus as a prophet or prominent figure? i also urge anyone who grew up christian (or in a christian culture) to reflect on any emotional reaction you had to learning this information. were you shocked or uncomfortable? what do you feel about jews who don't like jesus at all, no matter how "good" his ideas might be?

while jesus doesn't play a large role in judaism, christianity plays a large role in antisemitism. this may also be new information to you. if you feel shame or guilt about your reaction and/or not knowing, i gently urge you to unpack that before engaging in any more conversations—if either emotion is the driving force of your allyship, you will burn out. and here's me talking specifically, because i can't speak for all jews lmao: you don't need to confess or repent. you just need to show up and trust the perspectives of jewish people about both our religion/culture and experiences with antisemitism. (you'll notice that all the sources i've included above and below are from jewish organizations!) that's the first step, and i appreciate any goyim who take that step and keep going afterwards.

Results: Quick Analysis:

thank you to everyone who participated! i was actually blown away by how seriously folks took this question; i've been joking to friends that i haven't ever seen this many goyim be normal towards jews LMAO + genuinely curious to learn more about our religion, culture, and history. the bar is wildly low, but it's still cool to see it surpassed. and see an absolute torah study happening in those tags.

very quick analysis: the results were both relieving and worrying. relieving because most people got the right answer! worrying because, well, nearly half of the respondents did not. this isn't a verifiably solid sample size by any means, but that's still roughly 44% of 44,027 respondents, not including everyone who voted "something else." (some of those answers veered from "very wrong" to "techically right," so it'd take a bit to accurately quantify).

that being said, the three primary wrong answers are not equally wrong. there are some interesting nuances to oberve here, and i plan to do so in a much longer post (hopefully) later this week. however, if you're interested in a quick explanation/breakdown of the wrong answers, click the read more below.

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I could use some good housing vibes today if anyone has some to spare ✨

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speaking of characters & modern AU jobs, there are a bajillion Wei Wuxian-centric fics and I have read a very small percentage of them, but I hope there are some where he's a defense attorney.

I understand why so many fics seem to give him the role of a tech genius or a scientist of some kind--yeah, it fits with him "inventing" demonic cultivation--but I think the social betrayal aspect of his storyline works really well with being a lawyer and on the "wrong" side. and it fits both with him defending the Wens and also the scene where the cultivation world does a complete 180 on Jin Guangyao without really interrogating the evidence and Wei Wuxian--WHO WAS THE FIRST TO MAKE THE ACCUSATION--is nevertheless disgusted with them.

I feel like I've brought up that scene a million times on here and on discord but I can't help it, I just think it is such a critical scene for him and for the work as a whole.

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Nie Mingjue is objectively the funniest character to argue about what they'd be in a modern au. He's literally the only one that comes with a straightforward answer, the takes are completely unnecessary.

Like. Especially if this is non cultivation AU because see if it's a modern AU with cultivation the answer is obvious. He's a cultivator. They all are.

But if he has a civilian job??? He'd be a butcher. If the Nie family never became cultivators. They'd probably still be butchers. And do you really think that Nie -will literally die for my family I am ride or die for anything I've ever committed myself to- Mingjue would up and what leave the family business to pursue new horizons?? Really?

That man owns a meat store

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I adore civilian butcher NMJ and I know I've posted this quote on tumblr before but I gotta just. leave it here again sorry op.

I’m attracted to a butcher’s innate knowledge. Romantically, I imagine it’s innate, that his nicked hands were born knowing how to slice those whisper-thin cutlets. I’m attracted to his courtly, old-world brand of machismo…Most of all, I’m attracted to his authority. There’s an absolute sureness to a butcher, whether he is chining lamb chops with a band saw or telling his customer just how to prepare a crown roast. He is more certain of meat than I’ve ever been about anything. Rippling deltoids and brawny good looks are nice, of course, but to me a butcher’s sureness is the definition of masculinity. It strikes me as intoxicatingly exotic, like nothing I’ve ever experienced.

(emphasis mine, from "Cleaving" by Julie Powell)

like... that's Nie Mingjue. that's him. that's the guy.

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More art belatedly cross-posted from twitter: 3zun server daemon AU. NieYao may be fighting, but their daemons miss each other (and unlike their humans, they aren't afraid to show it... of course, LXC's daemon is gleefully facilitating this).

and bonus full view of the daemons: LXC's is a sika deer, JGY's is a Siberian weasel, and NMJ's is a boar

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okay but it's the fact that CQL is in large part about what you would sacrifice for the people you love, and in almost every other instance in the show, that sacrifice is portrayed as, if not necessarily the Right decision, at the very least evidence of fundamental goodness. the Yunmeng trio, Wen Qing for her brother and Nie Mingjue for his (Fatal Journey counts 100%), Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji, Song Lan and Xiao Xingchen, they make difficult choices for love and that makes them Good even if it doesn't make them happy.

and then there's Jin Guangyao and Nie Huaisang. whose identities are so fundamentally wrapped up in being His Mother's Son and The Little Brother, respectively, and they are so singularly devoted to the legacy of their relative that they will continue to fight for it long after death. they will sacrifice others in a heartbeat. they will lie, they will scheme, they will cause others pain. they will endure humiliation after humiliation. they will put on a persona that makes their true selves unrecognizable even to the people who know them best. ultimately they will sacrifice their own morality, their own goodness, in a way that would probably horrify the people in whose names they make this sacrifice.

I am falling asleep and these are random disjointed thoughts but other things that drive me feral about them is:

  • the backstory CQL gives, Meng Yao being at the Unclean Realm for (?) a length of time, and allll the visual signifiers of a close, basically familial relationship between them
  • (I know fanon likes to talk about "the Nie braids" as a sect-wide thing but they ARE NOT. they are a HUAISANG AND MINGJUE AND MENG YAO THING. litcherally no other Nie disciple wears them, not even Nie Zonghui! that's so significant!)
  • CQL/FJ leaning hard into the suggestion of the brothers being more or less on their own, very little discussion of their parents, leaving room to lean into the idea of NMJ fulfilling a parental role as well as a brotherly one, and the parallel between him and Meng Shi being even stronger
  • the final flashback to Meng Yao and Meng Shi, and how it's framed to suggest that as coming from Huiasang--a cherished memory Meng Yao passed on to him?
  • I've seen this floated around on tumblr before, about how it's very likely that Jin Guangyao underestimated the depth of Huaisang's love for his brother, based on how his love manifests as overachieving. so that moment of revelation in the temple being not just "oh, you're the one who was behind this the whole time" but "oh, you and I have this same sickness, this same depth of feeling."
  • the character songs. I'm obsessed with them. the fact that Jin Guangyao's is a constant litany of questions, uncertainty, revolving around "How many people are willing to know your true face?", while the Nie brothers' song has their relationship as this unshakeable foundation, to the point that they're the only two characters represented by one vocalist. the Unclean Realm being unquestionably "a place of deep love" and the only uncertainty being "when will we see each other again?"
  • (...and that being answered in part by the title, the repeated use of farewell with connotations of permanence. Huaisang defying death, wanting his brother back in any form possible, while Jin Guangyao literally meets his doom because he is so concerned about earning his mother an easier time in her next life.)
  • mutual obsession over Nie Mingjue. Meng Yao keeping his head in his treasure room. there are lots of jokes about how LXC is left out of the get-along coffin, but can we talk about the fact that Huaisang sacrificed his moral compass, the reputation of his sect, the life of a troubled teenager, and 10+ years of his life all so he could free his brother's mutilated body from Jin Guangyao's clutches... and at the end of it all, Jin Guangyao is the one who will be with him for eternity?

in conclusion: I love them, your honor.

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MDZS x The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse [x]

Pestilence is Jin Guangyao, sick with plans up his sleeves, his ambition a plague that ceaselessly grows, his greed a fatally corrupting disease that conquers his soul and the innocence that once was. Wherever he goes, he spreads his malaise: some are similarly corrupted, avarice blackening their veins; some are asymptomatic, oblivious to the infection that spreads beneath their noses yet culpable in their ignorance; and others die, succumbing to this epidemic, mere numbers in his viral covetousness for power. And so Jin Guangyao is the White Rider, white like the tainted peony embroidered on his ill-begotten robes.
War is Wei Wuxian, for his single-minded devotion, for the beliefs that he fought and died for. He laughs in the face of his enemies even when he stands alone against them all, taunting them to fight and spill blood. Is that the best you can do? Draw your sword and take your best shot, for I will come back to fight you once more. When he raises his weapon and the haunting refrain echoes over the battlefield like a battle cry, blood is spilled – his enemy’s and his alike. And so Wei Wuxian is the Red Rider, red like the bloodied ribbon in his hair, fluttering in the wind like a tattered banner over a pile of the fallen corpses of those who once stood in his path.
Famine is Xue Yang, hungry for violence and revenge, yet starved of attention and love. Behind him, he leaves a cracked desert: people ravished and weakened, tongues stolen, unable to speak, unable to taste, unable to cry for help. Men and women, young and old, rich and poor – he devours them all, licking the meat off their bones like a child with candy, playing with their skeletons when he is done. A hungry wolf prowling in the night, feral and rabid, his cold eyes fixed on his prey, sharp teeth hidden behind a crooked smile. And so Xue Yang is the Black Rider, black like the eyes of the hollow bodies he leaves in his wake.
Death is Nie Huaisang, for his hard work, this backbreaking labour that can never be finished in a day. They say Death is just, but cross him, and he will cross you out. He flits through the unsuspecting living, playing their charades and indulging in their arts, but oh, is he always there, there without them knowing, watching and lurking in the shadows, to take them when they least expect. When it is time to go, he looks at those dearly departed souls with eyes sometimes cold, sometimes resigned, sometimes with a tinge of regret, and then he will carry on with his work, for it will never be done. And so Nie Huaisang is the Pale Rider, pale like the paper of the fan that masks his face.
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