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NZ VIP. My bias is that precious peach, Seungri
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Anonymous asked:

“I hate Seungri” is NOT synonymous with “I support the victims” or vice versa this was one the most logical things ive heard about this whole situation. i also want to put something many of us are reading the english news or sort of translated things but everthing we read are not the complete truth. if you were to ask a korean they give you different information besides the ones going around. i think it is best to wait forming an opinion until he is convicted with one of the said crimes.

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Anonymous asked:

Can I ask you something? I just wanted to say I don't blame you for still supporting Seungri and ot5. I think you're being more honest and have more integrity than a lot of other people. But I'm genuinely curious what you think about the Seungri scandal? Do you think he's just a scapegoat for someone more powerful? Or what? What's your opinion on this?

Dear Anon, I’ve been mulling over how to best answer your ask because this is such a serious and sensitive topic. This is someone’s life we’re talking about. And there are very serious accusations being (not so lightly) tossed around by the public and the media.

So let me start with supporting Seungri and ot5. Because it’s not so black and white or as simple as supporting Ri or supporting ot5. This is a much deeper issue for me. I know I’ve said this before but it’s worth repeating. This issue is about someone’s basic human right to the presumption of innocence. To see people on this site and others stating “fuck innocent until proven guilty” and “I just know that he’s guilty” is not only disappointing but horrifying. Who are these people who think they can select who gets to have that right?  Do they even understand the implications of those statements? I want anyone who has uttered those statements or something in a similar vein to include the name of someone they love dearly in there and let me know if they still feel the same way about the presumption of innocence.

I’ve also mentioned before that I am waiting for a final verdict. Because we don’t have all the information yet. No one does. Not even the police. And let’s face it the media has been less than forthcoming in their reporting. They’ve altered chats, left information out, and used Seungri’s name and photo as clickbait in articles that have nothing to do with him. And now we find out that 200 journalists, producers, and other media personnel were involved in a group chat where they requested and shared footage of the women who are the assault victims. Yet people will still blindly believe everything the media tells them. Even more concerning is that very few people seem to care about this group chat.

Do I think Seungri is a scapegoat for someone more powerful? This is a really hard question to answer because we don’t have all the information yet and there are so many intertwining parts to this issue. Is he the scapegoat to cover up Jang Ja Yeon’s death? There are rumors involving a Chosun executive and Jang Ja Yeon. Then there’s the former Burning Sun employee who said he would take everyone down using Seungri’s name. Is it a little bit of both? Tbh, I don’t know. I don’t know if we will ever know the truth about that. So what can we believe? What do I believe?

It’s been four months and Seungri has been investigated 17 times by the police. And they still don’t have enough for an arrest warrant. According to the police, there are 4 charges being filed against Seungri – prostitution, embezzlement, distribution of illegal material, and violation of the food sanitation law. Let’s look at each of these. The police have been trying to pin a prostitution charge on Seungri any way they can. From prostitution at his birthday party (where guests said the sex was consensual) to prostitution at the Gatsby Fantastic Festival (where Japanese investors have flatly denied that they took part in such activities and where the police refuse to hear testimony from them). I personally don’t have an issue with prostitution (as long as it is consensual) and I’ve noticed that some of the same people who are up in arms about the alleged prostitutes are also the same people who have posts on their blogs supporting sex workers. What do they think prostitutes are? And for those who believe Seungri sold women or young girls please provide your official police source for that information. So that brings us to embezzlement. The police are trying to claim that Seungri misappropriated funds from his own club, Monkey Museum. Those funds were used to retain a lawyer for a dj who worked at the club. The courts have upheld that there is no criminal liability if payment of lawyer’s fees are made to promote the company’s interests. Police also have tried to claim that money was funneled to Yuri Holdings by Burning Sun. That payment was for the brand use of the name Monkey Museum.  Next is the charge of distribution of illegal material. Let’s just get this out of the way – Seungri was NOT in the molka gc. The charge of distribution of illegal materials stems over a photo he shared in a completely different gc of a partially clothed woman. The photo was not taken by Seungri and the woman was photographed with her consent. Lastly, we have the charge of violation of the food sanitation law. This charge was about Monkey Museum being registered as a restaurant. The fine for that charge has already been paid and is no longer relevant. All other allegations against Seungri (collusion, drug use, the police costume, etc.) have either been dropped or it was concluded that Seungri was not guilty.

I know someone is going to say that he knew what the others were doing. And I ask you how do you know that he knew what was going on in another chat that he wasn’t part of? Because of the 20 second video JJY posted in the business chat that Seungri told him to stop sending? How do you know Ri knew what that video was? If you opened a video and recognized your friend having sex would you continue to watch it? I’m guessing not. Would you automatically assume it was taken without consent? Would you ask? For all those who say he knew what his friends were doing, I ask you this question… tell me right now what the third conversation your mom (or sister, or dad, or bff, etc.) had yesterday was. Who was it with and what was the conversation about? I bet you can’t. These are people who are close to you and you probably don’t know. Yet people assume Seungri knows everything his friends and associates do.

You wanted to know what I think about the Seungri scandal. I’m afraid I don’t have all the answers because I don’t have all of the information. The investigation is still ongoing. And Seungri’s lawyer has said that we will hear Seungri’s side of all of this once the investigation is complete. I will continue to wait for all of the information to come in and to also hear Seungri’s side. At this point in the investigation though it seems to me that Seungri is being used as the face of this scandal because of his fame. Those who have actually been arrested are not getting nearly as much attention as Seungri has. You have to ask yourself why that is. Seungri is being tried by the media and public in a kangaroo court. I hope in the end justice will prevail and the victims will not be forgotten in all of this. I hope Seungri will be investigated fairly and that the facts will be reported accurately. I hope that the right people are punished for what they have done because punishing the wrong people won’t help the victims at all.

If anyone has any questions about something I’ve said, please ask me. Asking is always better than assuming.

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About Seungri

  It’s funny when people ask  WHY is there still such BIG support for Seungri? The answer is as simple as NONE of the allegations against him have been proven yet and it is starting to look more and more like they won’t be as the police investigates deeper and deeper into his life. It’s been 3 months. Those who were actually guilty got arrested in DAYS. You CARE about the victims? I don’t think you do, because you have not cared enough to know the ins and outs of the actual CASE. Because his supporter do. Do you know how many Lee(s) and Kim(s) and Park(s) are involved in this whole scandal? YOU don’t right? That is how much you know and care… Not enough apparently.. You are just going on about it from the click-baity headlines you have read on BLOG sites like Koreaboo, Pannchoa, Soompi and Allkpop. Mind you they are not NEWS sites, they are opinion blogs. Let me give you the benefit of doubt, that you do genuinely care about the VICTIMS? Victims of WHAT though? - Burning Sun? - Seungri was not running it. HE was a minor “initial” investor in it. He was the celebrity Face associated with promotions. AND he occasionally DJed. He was never in charge or even part of the running  Management. Also the only women(victims) who have come forward in this case have been against, Mr. KIM, who broke this so called scandal and told the media about this whole series of wrong-doings going on at the Burning sun. 4 women have filed a case of sexual harassment against him, and provided 2 hours of CCTV footage of him harassing them to the police. So If you care about the victims, those VICTIMS are saying that the person accusing the CLUB was the one who was sexually harassing them. - Prostitution? - Seungri himself provided the original CHATs which that famous channel “RECREATED” the screen-shots from (you can tell they are recreated because they used a picture of Seungri from a photoshoot that happened in 2018, when this CHAT was happening in 2016 :’D) and it’s clear that he was not talking about a MALE business CLIENT, but a FEMALE business partner from Singapore, who was visiting South Korea while he was doing a concert in Nagoya Japan. And he asked that she be provided with female companions because she wanted to Party at the CLUB Arena. The whole plan was cancelled though because she brought her own friends with her to SK. So she was not involved and it was not at all what it was MADE to seem. The women in question , who were contacted for this refuted the claims of any Payments or such things and refuted any claims that they were PROSTITUTES. But if you still call them that? How is that caring about the VICTIMS? Like fuck YOU! (I personally see nothing wrong with connecting Sex workers, who are earning a living, with High-level clients and if everything is consensual. It’s their Job and they should have the right to their personal autonomy. But that is me. We all have different takes and that is OKAY.) - KKT messages? - Seungri was not part of the MOLKA chatroom. That was JJY from the boy group BEAST and Choi Jonghoon from Ftisland and ROY KIM, Seungri was not even a part of that CHATROOM. He once shared 1 PORNOGRAPHIC picture with his friends on his KKT, but that was a Porn-related picture. Taken for public consumption and Consensual and Not NUDE either. Go bash at JJY and CJH who have confessed to it. Go bash at ROY KIM, Seungri was never a part of it, despite them trying their level best to PIN it on him. Those girls will only be avenged if the REAL perpetrators got the HATE for what was done to them. AND SEUNGRI was never involved in THAT. - Bribery? - He gave concert tickets to his company employees, who in turn gave 3 to a police officer. So No, no bribery either. I see no victims… just someone who got to see the concert for free. - Tax evasion? - It was more wrong registration and health and sanitation related FINE, which he paid back in 2015/16 for MONKEY MUSEUM his BAR. Now they are saying that he can’t account for 1900+ dollars because he paid CASH for a settlement with an Ex-employee of Monkey Museum. $1900 is not even CHUMP change for someone with net worth at $32 million. - Drugs? - He has been rigorously tested 3 fucking times and has come out absolutely CLEAN on all tests. Hair follicle, urine, fucking pregnancy test… ALL CLEAN. So that means in the last 3 years, Seungri has not used or handled DRUGS. And they tested him back in 2016 as well, because someone accused him, and HE was frigging clean even back then. VIPs who are genuinely in the know support him because we have more proven evidence of his innocence THAN you do for his guilt. The man provided his phone that he has used since 2014 VOLUNTARILY and also receipts from as far as 2013. And since it’s still an ongoing investigation, what gives you the right to DECLARE him guilty? It’s basic human rights and LAW that “It’s innocent until proven guilty” not the other fucking way around. I have known him and his persona for far longer than you have. If you were EVER a VIP, you would know that even the littlest mistake BIGBANG has made in the past, they have admitted to it and apologized for it. Seungri insists that he is innocent. And until he is proven guilty in a court of LAW, I am going to believe him. Because I sure as hell know more than you do. And Seungri has never shown signs that he is Malicious in anyway shape or form. He is hyper, boisterous, cocky, but he has never been Malicious. And I would rather support someone under suspicion than spew hatred towards someone innocent. He made money with HARD work. Did not bribe the police, did not do drugs, did not sell drugs, did not solicit prostitutes. Btw, all of the things I have said above have actual links: https://twitter.com/GottaTalk2V1212/status/1114618603704164353 Here’s a compilation of CORRECT translations of the MEDIA speculation VS the official statements and progress of the ACTUAL investigations. Yes, your favourite blog sites are being deliberately malicious by mistranslating the articles and straight NOT publishing any clarification Seungri or his Lawyer gives in this case. All of it’s there, the good and the bad. Have a nice day.

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Sigh... me not condemning Seungri doesn't mean I don't support or care for the victims. The sentiments aren't exclusive to one another. Also choosing to already condemn him doesn't automatically equate to being supportive either. What good would it do the victims if the wrong person is caught? - If you really cared for the victims you'd know that reporters aren't even digging to find or reveal the main suspects of this case. The reporter who initially brought the chats to light (from /JJY's phone/ NOT Seungri's - apparently the media have saturated news sites with Seungri's face so much, many even get this simple fact wrong) said Seungri was just "the tip of the iceberg." So after 3 months where's the attention for all these supposed powerful businessmen and politicians who are the "real" criminals of the whole scandal? If the focus remains soley on Seungri the victims will never get their justice... yet that's all thats currently happening. - Recently a senior KBS presenter spoke about the current situation. He said the way the whole scandal is being covered has become cheap journalism. To emphasize this he brought up the fact that 600 journalists turned up to report on Seungri when he'd gone for his 2nd questioning at the police station. 6-0-0. Does the scenario paint a picture of journalistic integrity, of people wanting to get justice for victims? Doesn't it seem more like a complete farce, everyone sensationalizing what's popular for clout? The majority of people aren't questioning this unprofessional behaviour, they complacently consume this news, though it adds no new info in exposing more perpetrators, but sure everyone's main priorities are the /victims/. - In conjunction to the BS Gate another case that has been kept buried for 10years with no results has received piss poor coverage. A witness who spoke out for the first time, pleaded for media attention. A miserable 5-6 reporters came to cover the story. The case involved 31 men of high status; the victim an actress, who supposedly committed suicide, but is shrouded in suspicions of being murdered. Several mysterious incidents surrounded the whole thing including the death of a high ranking officer who was on the case. What of these victims? They're put to the wayside and ignored, while everyone continues to glue themselves to the tabloid-like coverage of the "Seungri" Scandal. - And it doesn't stop there. Kim Sangkyo the man who opened the BS gate case who was given hero-like status by the media, was recently detained for sexual assault. There was concrete footage of him assaulting 2 women. The video was floating around online for 2 months. Two victims came forward, but everyone ignored them. Instead Sangkyo got an appearance on TV where he cried and played the victim, while "experts" cruelly called the victims liars. The case is still not widely being covered. What of those victims? - It's the job of the media to report the truth and bring light to serious issues, to hold a sense of responsibility so that no one refutes their reliability. Not throw speculation after speculation hoping something sticks. This is all that is happening in regards to such a serious and large issue. And the public are eating it up so they continue to report the way they're reporting. It's a vicious cycle. Where does this leave the victims? - - Caring about the victims and hoping for their justice is on the forefront of my thoughts. Just because I'm covering the inconsistencies and biases of the media and public doesn't devalue my concern for them. - There are those who scream they care about the victims like it's a sentiment that not enough people share, yet give no critical thought as to what it means for the victims to truly get justice or come about feeling vindicated for all they've been through. Pinning the blame on one person when you barely have all the knowledge to make such a call is hypocrisy at it's finest. Making hasty judgements and pronouncing someone guilty without thought, all in the name of being righteous, because it's what everyone else is doing, because it's easy, all so you can pat yourself on the back for being a "good person" doesn't make it so. Shouting the rhetoric "I SUPPORT THE VICTIMS, I CARE ABOUT THEM" by bashing Seungri doesn't make it so. If anything having this kind of attitude is a detriment to the victims, it doesn't help them at all. - "I hate Seungri" is NOT synonymous with "I support the victims" or vice versa - (In reply to a reply. I ain't gonna put u on blast but you'll probably be able to tell this little rant was inspired by you. K bye.)

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Anonymous asked:

also unfortunately it is only natural for him to be used as a scapegoat. they want to make sure he is not given special treatment because he is a celebrity and these kind of things work the same all around the world. he is being used as an example which is sad and immoral imo. my only criticism to you is you sound like you are disregarding that he may be part of these crimes just like others diregarding that he may not be a part of them.

I'm not disregarding the possibility trust me. It's painful sitting here in the middle, trying to remain objective about a guy who literally helped me through depression and bought me happiness for 7years. Some days I pray like anything that he's innocent. Other days I get so pissed at him, at myself that maybe I was completely fooled into liking someone who just wasn't the person they appeared to be at all. It hurts like hell. I'm just trying to cope. I don't know what's right or wrong, what's true or false anymore...It's tiring and confusing and frustrating but I just can't let things go that easily...

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Im pretty sure most people are angry about his silence he admitted to knowing about JJY and didnt report him to the authorities. His burning sun scandal aside, he himself confirmed to knowing about the chat and trying to stop JJY without reporting it to the police. His silence makes him complicit in the raping of these girls. Also to add some of the accusations he is facing arent only drugcharges. He is suspected of gambling in Vegas, which is illegal for a Korean citizen to gamble anywhere.

This is a touchy subject but I will say if he knew about the whole molka chat and did nothing I would be extremely disappointed. However as of yet just how much Seungri knew hasn't been clarified (whether he saw a single video in a separate chat or if he was a part of that entire disgusting chat. What he actually saw - as in to what extent did he understand was happening in said video/videos - JJY in the past (2016) lied to everyone that his GF had consent to being filmed when she hadn't. He could've easily lied to others.) I'm reserving my judgment til further (reliable) info is given on this issue. But again I repeat if Seungri fully knew what was happening and did nothing to stop these offenders I will be horribly disappointed, not to mention disgusted.

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The drugs "stay" in hair far longer than everything else, but I've read it depends on how often the drugs have been used. So if he uses them every now and then they might not show up? Anyway, it's not that important. The most important thing is that he is in the middle of so many crimes and claims to be the only innocent one. Sure, my dude, sure 😂

I'm not saying he's squeaky clean. I just don't think he's the criminal people are painting him out to be. And as I've been looking thoroughly into this for a long time now I've seen many inconsistencies with what the media's been reporting. I'm not some dummy who's blindly supporting him. I'm trying to analyse everything and am still waiting to see how things unfold. Btw "guilty by association" is some weak ass grounds to condemn someone. You don't know how close Seungri was to these guys. He has so many contacts/aquaintances, are you gonna tell me he knows them all intimately? Who knows if he's the "only innocent one", not everyone in these chats have been exposed. Anyways you continue to believe what u want and I'll believe what I believe. Peace.

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Anonymous asked:

Legality aside. I cannot understand how anyone can stand by him when he so much as knew about the gross shit his own friends were doing and bragging about. Honestly legality is the least of my worries because of the corruption, I don’t trust the justice system anywhere. Like he’s obviously proven himself to be misogynistic on many occasions. I just can’t wrap my head around it

Ok legality aside you wanna talk morals. But in that case who are u to judge when you don't know the full situation. None of us even know the specifics of this whole thing or the circumstances in which these convos played out. You act like you know exactly all he knew? Your basing his moral compass on //group chats// that happened 3-4years ago. No one puts they're whole lives in chats. I'm not saying he's a saint but geez get off ur high horse coz neither are you

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I am surprised that you believe he was but a victim to all the nasty stuff going around him. Poor little lamb, the only innocent soul among the wolves. Also, he admitted that he knew about the videos, but for some unknown reason decided to tell JJY face to face, even though he was more than willing to discuss everything else via text. I'm waiting for him to say that it was his cat who messaged everyone, it's as ridiculous as his typo claims.

Oh boy...This comment is just full of dumb. Come off anon coward then maybe we can discuss things :))))

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The only thing I want to say his drug tests might have come clean but that depends on the time of the tests. The longest drug that remaing in blood and urine is cannabis with 2 weeks and 30 days respectively. And hair test is not reliable and it may be possible to trace drug use. This aside I really want to know why you are giving Seungri another chance?

He's taken multiple drug tests and not just recently. Apparently back in 2016 he submitted around 100 hairs from all over his body and it all came back negative. Also I read the test he did traces back 2-3years?Anyway the reason I'm still giving him a chance...It's not simple by any means, but I've been following everything closely and a lot of what the media is saying has just been sensationalism to grab people's attention. Everyone is ready to condemn him without even confirming facts, the police haven't charged him with ANYTHING and it's been 3 MONTHS. New articles on him are published every day like they're throwing shit randomly and hoping something sticks. Meanwhile it's moved so far from the Burning Sun case which started this whole thing - and which by now has been confirmed that Seungri didn't event run the management of the place and was just the face of the club. And then there are the molka chats which were posted by JJY but still it all ties back to Seungri coz he's the real monster, he's the one everyone should despise. It's like he's become the scapegoat of this smear campaign but no one's bothering to look into things because they already have deemed him guilty even though investigations are ongoing...And ugh...man I said it was a lot...I haven't even gone into the details of things...But yeah ultimately I'm waiting to see how things pan out. If in the end Seungri is found guilty of any of the numerous things he's supposedly embroiled in I'll have no choice but to accept it and move on. But at the moment it's nothing but allegations and accusations and twisted truths and it's all just frustrating.

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For those who care and aren't simply jumping on the hate bandwagon Seungri recently gave an interview on his side of things. Though I advise you look for a detailed translation that isn't biased like allkpop or koreaboo as they omit things, emphasise wrong points to try and defame him further. If u wanna chat sensibly on why I'm still giving Seungri a chance I'm willing to discuss, but I'm saying it now don't come at me with: completely ludicrous false shit you've exaggerated in ur own head, dumb shit like "hOw dO yoU sTiLl sUPpoRt OpParrr" , "hurr durr electric chair" miss me with that idiocy.

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Is it though? Do you really believe that he was lying and bragging to his friends for at least four years? Do you? Because that's the dumbest line of defense I've seen in a while.

Lying and bragging about what? I'm not sure what ur referring to. Seungri has been accused of numerous things and he's trying to address them all, through investigations and in an interview he recently gave

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i'm sorry but it's not 'allegedly' anymore... sources ( both eng and kor ) have confirmed that seungri was involved in the group chat, and i can even provide those if need be

There were different group chats. Seungri was not in the molka group chat he was in the business one. Many negative lies have been told to defame him

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Seungri did Cocaine overseas smh

He's taken several drug tests that have come back negative aka no sign of drugs in his system. So u gonna believe science or some trashy tabloid that's been known to constantly spread lies

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Ok but it's looking more and more like the media screwed Seungri over and he was telling the truth from the beginning 👀 js

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strongbaeri

Please think critically before condemning someone with such harsh, vile accusations.

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