WHEN REDDIT USER @DAMNYOUMARLENE SNATCHES UR SOUL WITH HER RECAP OF 7X10 TO THE POINT UR HOWLING TO THE MOON AT FULL VOLUME
Oh my fucking hell I’m crying
this is pure gold oh my goodness
My highlights: jungle sex, plethora of girlfriends and budget Wren
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Do you see this blue badge that I signaled with a red circle? It belongs to Wren too BUT It‘s not a badge indicating that he’s a doctor! The badge says he’s a VISITING!
And if he was visiting his mother, Mary Drake? Or his sister, Charlotte? I’m sure we’ll have flashbacks!
Oh my god this has literally made my LIFE I could kiss you
BETHANY YOUNG. This therefore means Charlotte and Bethany are sisters. It’s just makes so much sense.
I have done theories on the second child being Spencer or Sara, however those theories were based on interpretations. What I present to you today, is concrete evidence that it is Bethany… I’ve never been more convinced on an idea! I genuinely hope you enjoy and please let me know what you think!
Ok maybe I missed it but about 5 mins in we see Spencer texting someone “How do you know Hanna’s still alive?
She turned around and you can see Caleb Mona Emily Ezra Aria Toby
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Who the fuck was Spencer texting?
oh my gOD. now im really starting to believe all these Spencer is A theories
Could Spencer be Uber A? @howtogetawaywithpll
Why do I feel like she’s texting Melissa?
This has been bugging me for a while. When Toby and Lorenzo found CeCe’s body, we were never shown her face. Just her fingers and some of her body. Toby recognized her. We were later able to see her face at her funeral. Well, I’m sorry, but with all the masks Rollins had I’m just not convinced she’s dead. Also, don’t forget, that in 6x10 she had drugged her father and Jason. They were not able to move at all. Melissa said about her to Hanna, “a leopard doesn’t change its spots”. So, maybe she never did get better. We can understand that from Eliza’s dolls too. And now that I mentioned it, she said that Elliott and CeCe visited her many times. But…we don’t know if that was before her apparent death or after. I don’t think there’s a big possibility for that after Archer died…But this is PLL we’re talking about.
“The PLLs go back to the dollhouse and what they find out will change the game.”
PLEASE GOD can they find out that it wasn’t actually Charlotte with them in the dollhouse? I’m still not buying that was a female with Spencer watching that home video. Like yes keep the storyline of Charlotte transitioning etc, but PLEASE tell us it was someone else in there. This has bugged me since the Charlotte reveal happened.
If you’ve read my theories you might have seen an idea I had about why there may have been a man:
Charlotte was going to reveal herself at prom in a beautiful gown, and someone else (her brother Wren in my theories) was there as her date, waiting in the crowd and keeping an eye on the liars. Obviously the liars began calling out for Charles, and the man we saw stepped out in order to stop anything from ruining Charlotte’s reveal. When the liars blew the electrics, and Spencer ran to the vault, he followed her. Spencer assumed he was Charles because obviously, they assumed A was a man, but in reality the person with Spencer was just Charlotte’s prom date. When it all happened, Charlotte possibly escaped.
So yeah. I personally am hoping and praying that it is revealed that Charlotte wasn’t the person they saw in the dollhouse. Perhaps they find the gown she would have worn or evidence that there was a female as well as the (what looked like) male. Whatever. Just please please please tell me the person we saw wasn’t actually CeCe. Bonus points if it was actually her brother Wren like I hope.
What if Cece had been lying all along and it was actually HER who ended up getting pregnant?
Think about it. Darren Wilden and Cece had a very interesting relationship from what we’ve been shown… One minute they’re partying in Cape May and the next it seemed like they were in evil cahoots together. That is until Cece seemed afraid and tried to leave Rosewood to get away from him and in the end she ended up murdering him. But WHY did she murder him? That’s the million dollar question.
What was Cece’s motive? Why did Wilden have to die in order for her to feel safe? What was she hiding?
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Did Darren Wilden get Cece knocked up? Did Cece confess to Ali that she was ‘late’ and that she thought he would kill her if he knew, instead of it being the other way around? After Alison had gone missing Wilden had made it his life mission to figure out what had really happened That Night, is it because Alison knew the truth about him and Cece? Two can only keep a secret if one of them is dead…
It’s intriguing to me that Cece has been such a key part of our main story yet she wasn’t introduced until season 3. Is that because she was away raising a child the first two seasons? Did she give her daughter up for adoption? Is she becoming a mother the real reason why she dropped out of UPENN? Everyone has speculated that the little girl from the Amish farm is Alison and Wilden’s daughter because Wilden was Amish in the PLL books, but what if she is actually Wilden and CECE’S daughter? That would explain why Cece kept coming back to the farm and brought the girl all of those dolls, she wanted to stay close with her.
Cece having a child with Wilden would also explain why she murdered him. A true crime of passion. It’s possible that Wilden threatened to take their daughter away from her similar to how he threatened Ashley Marin with Hanna. And of course, any mother would move heaven and hell before they would ever let their child get taken away from them, wouldn’t they?
And that would also tie in the famous Wilden mask that Archer/Rollins had been wearing this season, could Cece have possibly made a mask of Wilden’s face after she shot and killed him? Did Archer somehow get a hold of it after she was arrested for being ‘A’? From her ‘A’ lair?
This may be a long shot but if you think about it long enough, it actually starts to make sense. I think that Cece was pregnant that summer, not Alison. x
Thought the same but then I realised if CeCe was telling the truth in her reveal she couldn’t get pregnant because she was born a boy
I’ve gotten a lot of comments from people saying that “oh but Cece was born a male and couldn’t have gotten pregnant” but if that is your ONLY fact to debug my theory then I can debug that, too. CECE LIED.
Cece was NOT born a male, she was in fact born a FEMALE.
I said this a few days ago in a different post and I’ll say it again, if Cece was indeed a transgender woman then she would have never dressed as a man in the Dollhouse. Especially since the Dollhouse prom that was a recreation of the prom that Melissa, Ian, Jason, and CECE all had seven years prior and Cece had won prom queen back then.
The only way it could be possible that Cece was transgender would be if she weren’t the ‘A’ in the Dollhouse and that she only admitted to being ‘A’ in order to cover for somebody, which could very well be true, but I also think that that theory has too many plot holes involved. Radley Sanitarium was a WOMEN’S mental hospital (go back and rewatch any episode filmed in Radley, you’ll notice there are no men except for doctors and nurses) and there is no way that a young Charles Drake would have ever been admitted to that hospital.
In my opinion, I think that everything Cece said to Ali in 6x10 was a lie! x
Elliot Rollins isn’t actually Elliot Rollins. He’s British but was hiding this from Ali and the liars. He’s a doctor. He was working for A.D. I mean, I’m not saying he’s actually Wren’s brother and Wren is A.D bu— wait no I am definitely saying that
What if, the kid who died in Mary’s care was Charles? The real Charles?
Okay hear me out. First of all the headstone doesn’t even say the year of Charles’s death or birth and i know it is because it’s supposedly fake but what if he really died a long time ago and that’s why we are deprived from details of Charles’s life? Yeah, i know we heard Cece’s story but i’m not too convinced. Her timelines were confusing, and everything she says is debatable, whether it’s because she’s a liar or she’s deliberately concealing information.
We know from Mary’s story that she was admitted to Radley before the age of 18, because a kid died under her care, that’s why Jessica made it happen that she was institutionalized. Why do i have a feeling that it was Jessica’s child who died? And maybe that’s why her hatred is so strong towards her sister? Okay i know they were both younger than 18 that time, but hear me out. Jason was conceived when Jessica was about 22, from an affair with Peter Hastings, for it to be an affair she must’ve been in a relationship/marriage already before that, most likely with Kenneth Dilaurentis. So it’s totally possible for her to have had a child before 18, and with Mary living with her at that time, of course she would ask her sister to look after her child at times she was gone. Also, highly possible why Jessica resulted to cheating soon after, because of course she was devastated after the death of her first born, which was why she also decided to keep Jason + why Kenneth agreed.
Anyways, an accident or not – the child “Charles” died and was buried and Mary was sent to Radley. Mary was young and most likely unstable, and could’ve easily taken loads of guilt for what happened and became obsessed with his death. During her stay at Radley, she was overwhelmed by the thoughts of Charles and soon after at the age of 23 was pregnant with a baby boy, and also named him Charles in hope to make up for ending a child’s life by bringing another one to life.
But Jessica found out, and thought that he rightfully belonged to her after Mary killed her son. So she did everything to take custody, but after Charles was accused of Kenneth of trying to harm his baby daughter (due to Mary, his mother’s past of killing a child it was easy to accuse him), he was sent to Radley as well.
Mary often visited Charles, but had to pretend to be Jessica, since Mary was a patient before. She became fond of Bethany, because she and Charles were good friends so she often took her out to ride horses and bought her presents, maybe even with the real Charles too. We know Bethany (and maybe Charles) were often taken horse riding by “Jessica” where Melissa (& i think Spencer?) also went – so maybe that’s how Mary knew Spencer and her sister from long ago when she was too young to remember.
Anyways, in my theory, Bethany is Cece – hence everything matches about them; the blonde hair, the complexion, both were in Radley, and apparently Cece lied about her age so she could have been the same age as her (because they’re the same person).
Okay, so on the tapes, Bethany was furious about Jessica and her father’s supposed affair – this is because she probably didn’t know the existence of the real Jessica, she only knows Mary as Jessica so she felt betrayed. This is where “Like mother, like daughter” line came from – she was talking about Ali and Jessica / but Jessica probably didn’t even know her. She said they were not the only ones to make plans, which is why Cece/Bethany became friends with Alison – she was out to get revenge. But i don’t think that was the only reason for her hate towards the family, since she was close friends with Charles she probably hated them for sending him away and abandoning him.
At Labor day, Charles was set for release and Mary took him with her to possibly his father to Europe (UK maybe? ;) ) and Bethany was lonely, since she too was abandoned by her family, and now her only friend was gone too. So she set her escape plan in motion, even got the same yellow top (was Mary involved? Most likely, Bethany probably found out about her some time ) – which also explains why to Emily, she admitted Jason did see her “that night” talking to Melissa, while to Alison she said it was Bethany; which isn’t a lie if they were the same person – i mean it is too much of a coincidence if 3 blonde girls roam around in identical yellow tops the same night at the same place. Also, Cece and Melissa knowing eachother makes sense if Cece was Bethany and they were friends from the horse riding.
Anyways, so all the fiasco happened – and the body found in place of Alison, that was thought to be Bethany, could be easily anyone since it took 1 year to find it and the body probably already decayed.
So Bethany took the name Cece Drake, since finding out about Mary Drake – not because they are related but because she was a mother to her during the time she was alone (with Charles). She, still angered by the Dilaurentis, befriended Alison, dated Jason – this is why Jessica also disapproved of hers and Ali’s friendship. Why would she disapprove of her if she was her adoptive daughter right? She probably recognized her from Radley since she was a board member.
I’m sure there are many more motives as to why Bethany/Cece hated the Dilaurentis, maybe there is more to what happened to Charles we don’t know about. Whether Alison got her kicked out of UPenn too, or some other reasons, it doesn’t matter she was Big A for some time and had an anger towards the Liars too.
I think she attacked them, because they knew too much – there were obviously things we still don’t know about that night, and whoever was blackmailing them didn’t want them to remember, or to lure Alison out. Remember when Ali said, they know more about that night if they all worked together? I think -A wanted informations, or tried shutting them up.
The people killed by A were: Ian, Garrett (NAT member) - probably knew too much Maya - MAYA KNEW code Wilden - still debatable if he ever existed, but he was a corrupt police officer who kept a lot of secrets, + connection w/ Cece Jessica - LOTS of secret and obviously a target of A
All these people probably knew about something “A” was desperately trying to hide. The existence of Charles? What else happened “that night” maybe. The NAT members were killed because they were probably lurking that night and saw something they shouldn’t have, apart from Jason who’s related to Charles. Maya lived in the Dilaurentis house for a while, she must have discovered something. Wilden, that’s obvious – that guy knew a lot about every secret.
Now to Charles, he is probably someone we know. And this piece of theory is only overrated because it is in fact most likely, and this person is shady. Dr. Wren fucking Kingston. I’m not gonna name all the times he’s been shady, since it’s everywhere – but i’m gonna point out for the sake of my theory that he’s connected to Cece, the previous -A, my suspected Bethany Young. He’s been obviously cahoots with Cece even back then, to give her visitor passes etc etc. Cece took all the blame because she would’ve done anything for Charles, and they had a plan to get her out anyways.
Now, Cece/bethany has been murdered, so Uber A shows up again and it has been stated that the motivation for the game again is “Charlotte”’s murder – of course Charles would be furious that his friend, lover, ally or whatever has been killed and the most obvious suspects are the Liars. So he starts the game again, and of course has access to his former ally’s equipments etc.
I think the killer might be Rollins, seeing as he tries to frame Alison so bad. Maybe he was really in love with Cece but at the night of the murder, maybe Cece tried to break up with him or confessed that she was in love with Wren – which led to him killing her. And Mary obviously is helping because Uber A is his son and Cece was like her daughter and her son’s dear friend.
Okay, i know there are still holes in this and questions unanswered but i’m working on it.
AMAZING 👏👏👏👏👏👏 makes a lot of sense!
Would love something like this to happen!
Emily went from selling her eggs to receiving texts on her apple watch oh how times have changed
After the season 6 finale, it’s safe to say the “Wren is Uber A” hype is well and truly on. Not only did we find out Rollins is actually British like Wren, but within moments, so many of us found some very clear connections between the mystery at hand and the much loved, shady, original British doctor. Rollins who???
So, this post has been made in order to show off all of these connections for all the Wren theorists and fans out there. Of course I did not figure out most of these, I’m just the one putting them all together in a beautiful gallery of Wren shadiness. Please feel free to add any!
SHE WASN’T LYING
Ok guys if this theory is true. Marlene needs a standing ovation.
We just found out that Charlotte was actually Charles Drake, the son of Mary Drake.
So if CeCe went around calling herself, CeCe Drake…this could not have been a coincidence right?
Therefore, just about everything Charlotte told us in 6A was a lie.
So why did she do it?
Charlotte was about to get captured by the police. Ever since the dollhouse, they learned her real name and it was practically a manhunt going down.
What if Charlotte planned all of this…and I mean EVERYTHING. She wanted to get caught, she knew she would have to tell a good story to basically get insanity. Sara planned to get out on Stockholm syndrome. Rollins was always going to be the doctor to get CeCe out. They were ALL in on it.
Think about it? A was always 20 steps ahead and she got caught really easily. Everything she told them was a lie and a show for the cameras.
So everything we know from 6x10 was told from a lie’s angle. There is a whole new story to figure out now. This could mean that Bethany did not push Marion, CeCe may have never loved Jessica, etc. This is why CeCe’s story had a lot of little holes in it—it’s because she was lying!
This means we have a whole slew of new characters involved in this game and Radley’s secrets just got a whole lot deeper.
Rollins was not given a British accent for nothing. Wren did not help CeCe for nothing. Here is where things get confusing-Who’s related to who? Is Rollins, Wren, and/or Bethany related? I still think Bethany was related to Mary—it would explain Aunt Jessie. But is family ties the only motivation here? It has to be more.
Oh and when CeCe got released…her death was not in the plans. Whoever killed her just pissed off the Crazy Family from hell. Things are only going to get worse.
Will the Circle Be Unbroken?
Alison killed Charlotte. Her begging the liars to say “I’m not afraid of Charlotte, release her” was all part of her plan to set them up. With all of them saying ‘release her’ and one of them saying “I won’t feel safe with Charlotte released”, it looks like they wanted her released so one of them could kill her - the liars not realising this is how it sounds at the time of giving their speech. “You don’t know them like I do” - Alison knew Aria would say the truth which further makes them look guilty of wanting Charlotte released to kill her as a hate for Charlotte still remains. Alison still never forgave Charlotte for all that she did to her, hence she wanted to kill her but had no problem with throwing her friends under the bus for it. That will be a big twist, that actually deep down, Ali doesn’t fully LOVE the girls as the girls love each other. Yes friends, but not loving friends. She’s a user. Let’s not forget her manipulative, bitchy days of the seasons 1, 2 and 3 flashbacks. She was cruel (kissing Emily was just for practice, threatening to tell Melissa about Spencer and Melissa’s boyfriends, blackmailing people for money, threatening to break up marriages, those remarks about Hanna’s weight, Loser Mona) - and somehow all that nastiness just went away when she came back alive in season 4? NO! She was putting on a fake act when she came back alive in season 4, so her friends can help her bring her home and safe away from A. She was using them because she needed them. The true her is; yes friendly, but NOT loving, and she had no problem with framing the girls for Charlotte’s murder. Again, using them!
Alison isn’t evil though - she was technically doing everyone a favour as none of the liars wanted A to live happily ever after but Ali didn’t want to take the blame. Remember, Ali had it the worst from Charlotte’s actions. Remember, Charlotte ‘killed’ her which made Alison go in hiding for 2 years of her life. Then she was framed for (Mona’s) murder, despite CeCe having her reasons, and was generally still pissed off at Charlotte playing that A game with her as if she’s a doll.
Charlotte ‘killed’ Ali and played that A game with her - now Ali got her true revenge. Ali staying in Rosewood over those 5 years to help Charlotte was all part of her alibi - “but I love Charlotte, I helped her over 5 years, I’d never kill her!” and if she’s really that twisted… she may go further to actually say “it was those girls who said they can release her from the hospital so they can kill her!”
Alison isn’t Uber A - she is just the killer. A clue from the writers that Ali is the killer: the roses! Whilst how Charlotte actually got to holding the rose, I feel is irrelevant, I feel this is just a clue from the writers saying “Charlotte had a rose in her hand whilst dead, but you’ve seen that rose before in Ali’s house, connect the dots, there’s your clue”.
Now, Marlene has confirmed (twice) that there is a twin on the show. One of her confirmations is here, and yes it is real, and no she wasn’t lying by saying we will find out soon:
Uber A is Charlotte’s twin who has NOT transitioned as Charles transitioned to Charlotte. Credit to @night-visions-imagine for messaging me and proposing that Charlotte’s TWIN is the ‘he’ from the end of 6x10!
Season 6 will end where the liars find out that Charlotte has a twin who never transitioned; is a boy. The liars know that this person is after them because they look guilty for having killed Uber A’s twin/Charlotte, thanks to Ali for setting them up. Hence “he’s coming for you” in 6x10 - that scene hasnt taken place yet, and when it does in the season 6 finale, it’ll be because the liars figured out Charlotte has a (male) twin, and suspects Ali/the liars for having killed his sister, Charlotte.
So there’s another 1.5 seasons of Pretty Little Liars for you! Charlotte’s twin getting revenge on Ali “and the liars” for killing Charlotte. Yes, the liars didn’t do it, but Ali made it look like a group effort that they ALL contributed to it. And so another A game begins to get revenge…
I really like your idea that Ali killed Charlotte because she used to be my favorite character due to how ruthless and manipulative she was. She was such an interesting character who seemed to sideline between villain and friend and now that that's gone it feels really unnatural from her. It's one thing to regret being a mean person but to completely and utterly change who you are is unnatural. I like to hope that she's still got some of those old personality traits left.
Exactly! And it’s like when she came home to Rosewood, she just flicked a switch overnight and all those ruthless comments she used to throw at people everyday just went away. That’s where the inspiration for my theory came from - I started thinking that it seemed a bit odd that Ali came back from the dead a bit too perfect; maybe there’s a reason she was acting so nice? She was using the girls. Where else is she using the girls? As bait to take the blame for Charlotte’s murder which she did. That was my train of thought when I wrote the theory!
So you’re telling me this is a picture of Sara Harvey, Cece and Sara Harvey? Okay.
OMG!! In 6x01 Aria says "I'm going to kill you" (or something along these lines) to A and in 6x11 Charlotte is killed... (I don't assume it was definitely her but I've never found a possible clue "first" before :D )
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well in 6x12, all eyes are on Aria so let’s see if one of the girls bring this up!
I seriously hope Aria did it. There’s no way they will reveal it in the second episode, so somehow Aria will get away with it, but then next year in 7x20 it will all come back to her. That would just be so juicy.
*Aria killing Charlotte doesn’t mean Aria is Uber A; I doubt that would ever happen as Marlene even tweeted that it doesn’t make sense for any of the liars to torture themselves and their best friends. But Aria still could have killed Charlotte, assuming they are different people. But we will know if Uber A is Charlotte’s killer as of next episode, I think that’s safe to assume.*
