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Undertale Science

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Are monster souls upside down or is it just a perspective thing. I can imagine from the monster's perspective your own soul must look upside down.

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I believe it's a stylistic choice by Toby to represent the monster souls as upside down white hearts. He could have just had them be white hearts to distinguish them from colored hearts being human souls, but instead they are upside down. It should also be noted that in the fight with Mettaton Ex, his heart core is upright, and your soul in yellow mode flips upside down for that space invaders style shooting arcade style. A human soul and monster soul look so different, until you realize it's a matter of perspective and their soul is more like yours than you thought. I'm reaching here, but it possibly could be a take on the whole "our enemies aren't as different from us when viewed from a different perspective, we look different and "upside down" from their perspective" trope. I wrote a lot about this in one of my previous posts on monster souls and human souls.

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Ah Tumblr developers. Instead of fixing errors and giving you information on how to avoid or solve the error, they made it so you can tap on the error message and drag it around with physics and violently swing it around and fling it off screen. Very helpful. How about fixing the app before focusing on the flair?

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Let’s play a little game. First look at the Determination Extraction machine. Look at the shape at the bottom. Then look at the two large holes, then at all the ridged coils of tubing and piping. Now look at Omega Flowey. Now at the “Hyper Goner” attack. Now at Gyftrots head. Now at the “Ghaster Blaster” attack. Now look at these photos of goat skulls. Look at their ridged horns. Look at the nasal cavities. Now look back at the other photos.

As someone who already known exactly what bovid skulls look like, I want to know, how many of you realized this while you were playing? A goat skull, with its bottom jaw broken in half, each half splayed out at the side, separated. Portrayed again and again throughout the game, regardless of what final boss you fought, you faced death itself.

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Ok but, Gaster Blasters are snake skulls. Snakes unhinge their jaw to fit in food that is larger than their head and blasters unhinge at the same place to fire a beam.

This isn’t quite true, I work with snakes and handle them, and the unhinging and dislocating of jaws is more of a misunderstanding. The jaw bones don’t swing open or leave the “hinges” and the jaws don’t break, they simply are made of small bones and stretch, the jaws are seperate in the middle and connected with stretching connective ligaments, and their teeth in the lower jaws do not rotate outward or inward.

They will often appear to yawn after swallowing a large mouse and move their jaws around, but that is stretching, not resetting the joints or “hinging”.

Snakes also don’t have the right dentation or nasal cavity or Sagittal ridge on the top/back of the skull for the Gaster Blaster. In snakes instead of the jaw opening outwards when they eat, if you could see the bones and ligaments you would see them bend and stretch apart in the shape of what’s being swallowed, it’s easy to see when they eat eggs. The other funny thing is that snakes don’t have to open their mouths wide to make loud noises, they hiss with their mouths shut through the hole in their mouths that allow their tongue to flick out and back in to taste the air and “smell”.

Gaster Blasters most closely resemble canid skull, a mix between an African hunting dog and a large domestic dog and a grey wolf. With no side or full frontal angle it’s impossible to rule out domestic dogs. You can see the full post on it here http://undertale-science.tumblr.com/post/134555887503/thanks-to-a-lot-of-hard-research-i-have

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Thanks to a lot of hard research, I have determined what the Gaster blaster weapons are based on. They look like a canid skull, and after a lot of research I found the orbital size, rostrum length, Sagittal crest, fangs, sharp elongated jaw muscle anchors, nasal canal, and teeth, and skull width and length and broad jaw bones, all closely match a large domestic dog, grey wolf, or African hunting Dog, shown in the last two pictures. This disproves that it was based on a fox skull, or a skull of a Pomeranian like Toby’s dog form. The thin parts of the jaw, shortness of snout, blunt rounded jaw muscle anchors, and width to length ratio mean it is likely not a grey wolf, the African hunting dog has a skull that fits the most criteria.

Considering the Gaster Blasters are shown as being longer than Sans body, and with their width, I would say size is not to scale or its a matter of perspective, as even the largest canid known, the long extinct Epicyon haydeni had a skull around 34 cm long and had a skull the size of a male lion, still not big enough if you consider Sans over 5 feet tall.

Also, no canid has a skull that splits in half and jaws that separate in the middle and rotate outwards. That uh… That makes this a bit more pointless.

Still, I wish I knew what reference Toby used for the graphic, most likely it was a dog skull of wolf skull and he just depicted it in a style that happened to look like an actual skull of another species.

Another thing worth pointing out, a lot of people draw the Gaster Blasters like a weapon, or a mask for sans, but it’s important to note the larger Gaster blaster image without eyes or nasal canal is called “spr_g-b_npc.png, an unused filed. For those that don’t know how the game works, lots of characters have black face templates and the graphics of the eyes and other features are added on top separately and animated separately, like Muffet’s eyes. This means at one point, the Gaster blaster was an NPC, a thing with more facial expressions and likely planned dialogue. It’s not a weapon, it’s an actual monster. It might not be a blaster weapon named after Gaster who invented it, it could be some form or piece or entity owned by Gaster that Sans obtained. The Gaster follower with a piece of Gaster claims he isn’t afraid because he has a piece of Gaster with him, as if the pieces of Gaster give powers.

Also worth noting: the left eye is the only one that appears when it is using its power. Just. Like. Sans.

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I finally found something I missed in Undertale. The detail hidden in this door in Hotland.

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Now theres two designs this could be based off of, the more notable one being the Gaster Blaster.

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Especially with how the red locked door symbol seems to have the jaw split apart in the middle.This also makes sense with Gaster’s true lab in the Hotlands. The other possibilities is that the design is based off of Loox, a sort of default monster made early in development that you face in the ruins. 

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GASTER BLASTERS IRL

THESE ARE FREAKIN TURTLE SKULLS

JUST LOOK AT THEM

IF YOU DON’T SEE THE FRICKIN RESEMBLANCE HOW CAN YOU NOT???

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AND THEN THERE’S ONES THAT LOOK LIKE LITTLE BABY BLASTERS I’M SCREAMING

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@staff @support @greeningz Here’s a little lecture from Undyne about this here advertisement, I’ll be typing up what she says as I’m afraid she will break my keyboard if I let her type this.

Hello humans! Today you are gonna get a lesson on fish, get ready to learn! First of all, the strong amazing warrior of a fish you see in the above image is a frilled shark. And no, Greeningz, it’s not a dangerous sea creature. They spend most of their lives below 50 meters (160 feet), and have been caught as deep as 1570 meters. If you don’t have gills like me, you’d never be able to swim down deep enough to see where they normally live. They only come to the surface when sick, dying, or caught by fishing nets. It’s maximum length is 2 m (6.6 feet), around the height of Papyrus. Even if you did encounter a frilled shark, it’s not dangerous. It only eats boney fish and mainly cephalopods, mostly squids. It has tiny needle like teeth meant for snagging soft squids, and a very weak bite for its size. If it tried to bite a human, it could very well lose a lot of its teeth and risk it’s jaws being broken. It’s not like me with my chompers (editors note: Undyne is gnashing her teeth and almost bit my webcam in half. I don’t have the guts to explain this isn’t being a recorded video).

Anyway, this shark is not dangerous at all, unlike humans. I love anime and know Alphys wants to take me there, but I’ve heard bad things about “Japan”. Did you know that in the oceans bordering it, the humans capture frilled sharks, and turn it into fish meal? It’s a better fate than some of the other sharks, in Ass-eye-ah (editors note: I think she is trying to say Asia, all those years underground have done a number on the geography education of monsters) fishermen grab sharks and cut off the fins, and throw the still living sharks back into the water to bleed out. They don’t take the rest of the shark, because their fins are worth more, because they are sold to make a special soup supposed to have magic powers. I get it, you humans want to have food that gives magical power buffs like some monster food gives, but it doesn’t work that way, and being cruel to sharks won’t help. Let’s not even get into what they do to the whales and dolphins.

sharks kill less than 10 humans a year. Most are cases of mistaken identity, but humans kill over 100 million sharks a year. Entire species driven to extinction. Typical humans, as a monster, I know how it feels when humans don’t understand and are scared of something, so they let bullies and people with uncaring destructive souls massacre an entire species and wipe it out, and justify it by claiming it’s just the way it’s been for a long time and that it’s to make places safer for humans. You want to know the most dangerous sea creature on the planet? The one that kills countless others, and is responsible for killing more humans at sea than all the other sea creatures put together?

Its humans. You have been killing each other at sea ever since you could make boats. I have been told that the flag I found was not about skeletons and humans, the skull and crossbones apparently means death, which doesn’t make sense because Papyrus and Sans wouldn’t kill a fly, right? Human pirates would use this flag to warn other ships to stay away, and they would kill people and steal from other ships. Today, people at sea still kill each other because of greed and hatred.

I’m listening to Alphys and trying to use science and education to change you humans and make you more empathetic, but if you keep fearmongering about sharks and killing them, and keep destroying the ocean, I’m going to handle this my way. I’m going to become a pirate. I already have an eyepatch and I can get that bird that carries you over a little gap in Waterfall to sit on my shoulder like a parrot. I’ll take the royal guard and Papyrus as my crew, and I’ll go hunt down these humans that kill sharks and whales and dolphins, and these people that encourage such genocide of wildlife, and I’ll give you HUMANS a REAL DANGEROUS SEA CREATURE to FEAR! NGAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

(Editors note: please stop finning sharks, she is scaring me)

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Thanks to Tumblrs advertising allowing shitty misinformation, in going to do a post collaborating with Undyne tomorrow.

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Do you changed your mind about Chara or you still consider them as a psyco,manipulative,one dimensional evil kid without any redemption arc ,the responsable of the genocide run ,the only super mega psyco evil character in the whole game while the game says that even the person that you think is the worst can be a very good guy and that everyone can be redemn and deep have good intentions?

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I've posted about this so much in the Chara tag, so check that out, but what it boils down to is this, up until the point that Chara's soul, absorbed by Asriel, is destroyed, they are redeemable. As a human, they were not without good traits and love, given the family photo of them all smiling together, the present for Asgore, the wanting to save all the monsters, the love of chocolate bars showing they actually enjoyed and gained pleasure from something, they were just a human child, a misguided, slightly twisted human child that did some horrible things and abused and used their adoptive family and tried to use their brother in a plan to become a powerful entity and wiping out humanity, starting with their village, but they were not completely bad or without their reasoning. Then there's the Chara we see. The soulless manifestation of the players LOVE, this thing sharing the body of Frisk that seems to have all the mannerisms, memory, ideas, and appearance of Chara, but lacks a soul. The "Real" Chara died of self inflicted buttercup poisoning so Asriel could take their human soul and cross the barrier fused, and destroy the humans. When the fusion was killed, when Asriel's body was mortally wounded and his soul weakened, both their souls, Asriel's and Chara's, were destroyed somehow. The soul isn't in the human soul collection, and the only red soul we see is that of Frisk. Chara from that point on is a soulless bodiless irredeemable manifestation of hatred and lust for power and destruction, reviewed by our LOVE. Notice how when you are good and don't go the genocide route, you never actually see Chara or get the red text from their spirit. Souls are made from love and such, Chara doesn't have that.

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Do you think something like Star Trek's reality could be someday achieved?

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I mean, it already has. A lot of the stuff originally presented in Star Trek has been made reality already, as in any major SciFi, some of the stuff they predicted comes true, some of it is inspired by the Sci-fi. http://mentalfloss.com/article/31876/12-star-trek-gadgets-now-existAs for actually being able to bend space and time and going faster than the speed of light, such a breakthrough would require rewriting much of the basic laws of matter and energy and the universe. Things like cellphones and everything they are also capable of are analogous to some of the hand held devices on Star Trek, as we see in Undertale, cell phones can be very useful with some extra functions. Not sure if Toby Fox is a Trekkie, but some of the pop culture references to StarTrek are so common it's almost impossible to grow up without knowing them, like "KHHHHAAAANNNNNNN!" And "make it so" and "damn it ______ I'm a doctor not a _____!" And "beam me up Scotty!"

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These past few posts can be summed up by that “you could make a religion out of this, oh wait no don’t!” Part of the History of Everything. Please don’t think I know all the answers or think I know the true way to live life. There’s some things so opinionated and subjective science simply cant tell you, like if you should just relax and enjoy life while you have it and not worry about what happens after you die, and just have as much enjoyment as you can with the time you have left, living how you want and having the best life you can live, or if you should keep working hard, struggling and suffering, reproducing, with the goal of making the human race as great as you can and making this last as long as you can, struggling to keep the human race alive even when our extinction is inevitable and never giving up!

It’s a very Sans vs Undyne thing,if I have to relate everything to Undertale.

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then doesnt that make life feel... pointless? we are all born just to die? knowing that no matter what we do: cure diseases, end wars, etc. that we are just gonna die anyway? that humanity is just for nothing.

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It’s the journey, not the destination. Everyone is forgotten eventually. It’s not like you get to see what happens after your death. None of us will live 500, let alone a thousand, let alone a million, let alone a billion years in order to see the end. We make life as good as we can for the future, we enjoy life while we have it, and we die.

Nothing lasts forever. 7.5 billions years and the earth is atomized. Eventually the sun will collapse. Eventually our galaxy will collide with andromeda galaxy and be all jumbled up. Eventually that galaxy will fall apart. Eventually, the universe itself will die. Everything in the universe is still expanding farther and farther from the Big Bang, like floating petals on the water being disturbed from the ripple of a rock being thrown in. Energy conversions are not 100% efficient and more and more will become heat energy. There’s the factor of entropy, Eventually, as matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, all matter will reach an inert stable state, and all energy will become heat energy, reactions will cease, and the universe will become monotonous. It’s called the Heat death of the universe theory.

The universe is just an infinitely complex and large chemical reaction series, and eventually it will end. There is no such thing as forever.

Hence why I play video games and enjoy life and value my time, because when I’m dead none of this will matter. Would you bother to play a video game that had no goal? No end? Even so called endless games have an end in the fact that you can’t play them forever, you have real life stuff you have to do. If you could live forever and could lay down and do nothing for a hundred years, having no reason to rush, no deadlines, all the time in the world, no challenge, knowing you can do whatever you want whenever you want because you have no time limits, life would be boring, you wouldn’t do anything. Why climb that mountain now if it will be there forever and you will be here forever? Why have kids, you have forever to have kids, you can have them when you want but when you do you’ll have them forever, so what’s the point? You think you’d do any school work or job work if you had forever and no limits and would be there forever?

You’d never play undertale, never progress, never beat it. Curiosity and creativity only work when you have reason and need and impetus. If nothing ever died, you’d never live.

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