@anti-stand-with-ward-blog / anti-stand-with-ward-blog.tumblr.com
Aw, it's been really fun sharing fandom opinions with you, which have touched on stuff way beyond Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and seeing pics and gifs here. A real fun community and place to hang out. And there needs to be a safe place for anti-SWW opinions.
I am so glad that you enjoyed my blogs while I was pretty active on them, and I absolutely adored getting to discuss fandom opinions with you and every other Anon/user who sent in Asks. :)
Someone who's talked with people on AO3 said that maybe I could talk to them about the fanfiction and claiming it. I thought I better talk with you first, though, since you were nice enough to post it when I was too afraid to put it up with my name on it. I'm still more than a little scared about it, due to how so many people have been harassed for writing villainWard stuff, but I always felt kind of bad not claiming it, so I really want to do that.
Anyway, I will miss this. It's been a safe place to talk about Victoria and I so needed that. You can probably tell from my Victoria Bear avatar that I love her, and seeing how she was talked about, was just so upsetting. I was glad to have a safe place to talk where I knew I wouldn't have to deal with that.
I hope that you managed to claim the fanfic as yours, because you really do deserve to have your name on it if you want it there! :)
And I’ve been missing this (and all of you) as well! And I’m so glad that there are plenty of other people who love Victoria and actively try to defend her from SWWers.
fyi, the "hellfire club," which is what the fox show will be about, have nothing to do with the "hellfire" character from secret warriors that the ward fans talk about.
Aw really?
And here I was hoping that the “Ward is Hellfire” idea would finally be destroyed...
Hi, I'm going to miss your blog a lot. I hope you're able to come back to it one day. I've really enjoyed having a safe place to talk about Victoria Hand and how badly she was treated without worrying about harassment. That meant a lot to me. I also appreciated how you posted some fan fiction I sent you anonymously because I was too scared at the time to post it with my name. I think I'm brave enough to do that now. Do you know how I can claim credit as author?
Aw thanks. Honestly, I’m probably a lot sadder than any of you are that I don’t get to run my blogs and have conversations with you anymore, because I have genuinely loved it.
And as to the fanfiction, I’m not entirely sure. Maybe if I or my co-mod ( @standveryfarawayfromward) went onto the blog we could edit it in order to credit you, but I’m not sure and don’t have time to play around and find out.I think that the best you can do is just link the fanfics on your blog and say that you wrote them.
I am so sorry I have not been able to run this blog lately, but it’s an enormous time commitment that I’m just not capable of keeping up with anymore.
I have genuinely enjoyed getting to run this blog and discuss both the pros and the cons of this show with you, and I have loved all of the creativity and intellect I have encountered from everybody who has sent in Asks and Submitted stuff.
I know I have a bunch of Asks that I still haven’t answered, and if I can I will try to answer all of them this next weekend so as not to leave anything unanswered, but I honestly can’t make any promises about that either way.
It’s been a fun ride with you all, and I wish you the best!
Well my inbox is now cleared, so it’s time to say goodbye.
I’m going to keep the Ask/Submit boxes open for now, but it’s with the understanding that I might never actually be able to get to respond to what you send in. But if I have a week where things are less busy I will try to get to some of it, even if I can’t write long responses to what you say.
Goodbye all, and thank you for everything!
Ward stans are like petty children. When was it ever a bad thing to play the villain? Like being a villain is a form of character assassination or something... Are they seriously saying that abuse victim can't be a bad guy like what? Wilson Fisk is both victim of abuse and a villain but nobody is wobbifying him because he isn't some conventional hot guy. Having bad background is like a trope for both heroes and villains. What ever makes Ward a special little flower I wouldn't know?
One more time for the people in the back please.
It’s literally the most common trope especially in superhero/action narratives. Both heroes and villains have some kind of tragic backstory like 95% of the time. I’m honestly struggling to think of villains who DON’T have a tragic backstory (Jim Moriarty? The Joker? Hannibal Lecter? Although I’m pretty sure there are versions of Hannibal and the Joker that have a tragic backstory) like COME ONE fucking SATAN had a tragic backstory on Supernatural that doesn’t excuse jack shit. I don’t know where that sudden concern for this trope came from when it’s probably older than every member of SWW and I’ve never seen people complain about it like this. Especially on a show that is all about CHOICES and that clearly says your past doesn’t define you, the choices you make do. The show has never said “all abuse victims are horrible and will become Nazi murderers”. It’s also funny that these people ignore that our protagonist aka actual superhero Daisy Johnson ALSO had an awful childhood and she chose to help people and do good.
So let’s be real we all know it’s not about protecting abuse victims (from what??) or this trope specifically it’s once again about excusing Ward. As always.
why do ward apologists exist like ward literally had someone stabbed and then blew them up aight stop apologizing for his actions hes not a confused and lost puppy he is a fucking murderer
crazymaryt replied to your post “@Everybody”
Thanks for some good commentary and opinions.
And thank you (and everybody else who has sent in commentary and opinions) for your amazing commentary/opinions as well.
I really am going to miss/have missed all of the amazing interactions I’ve been privileged to have with all of you!
Stop. Don't. Come back.
I’m sorry, I would stay if I could, but I really don’t have the time to keep running this blog, and it’s not fair to all of you for me to technically have this blog open and yet never actually being around to talk with you.
I have a few blogs linked on my main page, and I’m sure they wouldn’t mind discussing the show/the fandom with you if you really need somebody who will listen to you, but I just don’t have the time to be that person anymore.
I’ll come back if/when I can, but it’s frankly not likely.
so sad to see you go, your opinions were/are the best... :( take care
I’m so glad that you appreciated my blog, and I’m genuinely sorry that I’ve got to leave you all.
It really has been a wonderful ride with the lot of you, so thank you for the pleasure! :)
So Ward has taken to pointless monologuing in lieu of actually being intimidating or threatening and he doesn't have the charisma to back up his speeches. It's a damn shame he's still in it because otherwise I'm rather liking this season.
I’m actually liking this season, at least what I’ve seen of it, much more than I liked season 2 as well, but Ward really has been a bit of a damper on it. I actually have a running theory about what Ward is going to do this season, and while I don’t like it one bit it seems a bit likely, and so in that sense I’m actually rather interested in what he does.So that’s actually a step up (for me) from season 2 Ward because not only did I hate him with every fiber of my being, but I genuinely didn’t care/was completely bored by anything he might do. Now, it actually has the potential to hold my interest.
All that to say, I have to agree with you 100%! If Brett was a better actor and actually had the charisma of Bill Paxton (or other phenomenal villain-actors) the speeches could be great!As they are, I’m torn between rolling my eyes that he seems to think they are impressive and inspirational and terrifying (or whatever word his twisted brain would use to describe it), yawning at how damn tedious he is to watch, and counting down the time when I get to watch more interesting characters do stuff.
SWW keeps on talking about the numerous/several/many/however they want to call it assassination attempts on Ward by team SHIELD and I’m so confused. I’m genuinely trying to figure out these “many” times and I’ve come up with two: when Daisy shot him and when Simmons tried to kill him with that splinter bomb thing. And the Daisy one doesn’t count considering he kidnapped her at gunpoint, threatened to kill all the people on the plane the she cares about. At that point, it was self-defense because there was no believable way she could get away from him without using a gun.It’s not like he would just let her walk away. So, honestly I’d say one, which I don’t know about anybody else, but one is not several or many. I’m sure they’d think May in the season one finale was one and Ward being transferred to his brother is another, but both are false. There’s no evidence to believe that Christian would have just offed him randomly other than Ward’s words, which we should all be taking with a big ole’ bag of salt. And May deliberately did not kill him, but just knocked him out and then arrested him… you know, like a good person would. Ward, on the other hand, was actually trying to kill her. Ugh SWW.
Blog Master Note:
They are discussing the heroes of the story trying to defeat one of the villains as if it’s a bad thing???
And I definitely agree with your confusion on the quantity as well! Other than a general “we need to take down Ward because he keeps on murdering and torturing people”, Simmons trying to kill him was the only time that any member of the team specifically went out with the sole intention of killing him!
Also I would add more but all that you said is pretty perfect, so I’ll leave it as is.
Lol, now the SWWers are mad because apparently the show is saying that Hunter killing his friend was okay because he’s the good guy. I’m cackling, like I know they are terrible at watching the actual show ans not twisting canon, but this is too much. I mean one, it was accidental and Hunter was in a fight for his life (none of the people Ward killed were trying to kill him if I remember correctly), two, the narrative quite clearly showed that Hunter was traumatized by what he’d just done and May also looked quite shocked. That is the show telling us “this is a bad thing that happened”. Anybody actually paying attention without an agenda would see that. Also, are they really criticizing Hunter when their fav is the one who created this barbaric recruitment center in the first place to get into his Hydra crew?!! Give me a break.
Blog Master Note:
How the hell are SWWers this bad at watching the show?
I swear they are turning this into an art, because there is no way anybody could watch this show and think that it’s trying to say that Hunter killing his friend is okay unless you are purposely trying to look stupid!!!!
And I would like somebody to bring that last point to the attention of whatever SWW started this wave of idiocy. I wonder what excuses they’ll come up with when they realize that the only reason Hunter had to kill his friend was because of Ward’s barbaric and cruel system. Will that little factoid change their tune and make them start saying that the show isn’t saying that it’s okay anymore?
I’d love to know.
So Fox and Marvel are making a Hellfire series for TV that won't be set in the MCU. So I think that's the final nail in the coffin of that particular Ward-stan theory!
One more Marvel superhero/villain saved from the clutches of SWW insanity!
Although my pessimistic side has to remind me that since this isn’t in the MCU, AoS might bring another version of Hellfire onto this show.I still don’t think that it’s Ward, but I also don’t think that Hellfire is entirely safe from SWWers.
I stumbled upon this page when looking up some research on Ward and I’m surprised to see so much tension over this character in the fandom!! I tend to avoid sites like yours (no offense meant, but if I’m not on the same page as something, I tend to move along) but some particular posts struck me. I completely understand why some fans dislike the character and I’m having a hard time believing that people will actively come after others who do not share their opinion, I do, however, wonder why so many people are against the idea that Grant Ward can be, in some way, redeemed. I’m going to use Black Widow as an example, and while this has most people rolling their eyes, I feel as though they are overlooking many similarities between the characters. The main point made by people who think you can’t compare the characters is that Natasha is actively working towards redemption, while Ward is still on a path of destruction. I won’t argue the point, but Ward is on his own trajectory. There was a point that Natasha was also not working toward bettering herself and helping the world that she hurt. She slept with Tony Stark to infiltrate STARK industries for her own gain, and ultimately had her loyalty called into question when she fell for Hawkeye. Sounds a bit familiar. She is also one of the world’s most notorious assassins, with Iron Man being one of her targets. Iron Man didn’t viciously hate her for what she did, unlike the team (which I found poor writing, not that they couldn’t be angry and disgusted, but there should have been more emotion mixed in, like there was with Fitz; more believable in my opinion) and many people think he was right to get over it. Ward, on the other hard, is considered a rapist because he slept with May while undercover and wanted to wake up the darkness in Skye, even if he had to force her to confront that part of herself. I’m not excusing the aggressiveness of his threat, of any of his threats, or actions for that matter.
The main difference I see between them is that Ward was more troubled than Natasha, submitting to his violent tendencies before Garrett found him (i.e. burning down his house). While Black Widow was brainwashed into becoming the woman she was, Ward’s tendencies were essentially preyed upon and abused. I wouldn’t say that Garrett brainwashed Ward, but he certainly indoctrinated him, and Ward was in a position to be molded. If S.H.I.E.L.D, had gotten their hands on him first, we may have a different Ward on our hands, but that’s just speculation.
Ward continues to spiral out of control and he does some terrible things, but so did Black Widow. I think if Ward actually took responsibility for his actions - not just with words, but with actions, stopped blaming his circumstances or the actions of others against him, and stopped perpetuating his victim mentality, there is a chance he could be redeemed regardless of what he did. His “ledger,” like Black Widow’s, could be wiped. I’m not necessarily saying he would be redeemed within the group as forgiveness is not deserved and not always possible, but maybe he could be a better man and somehow help S.H.I.E.L.D (potentially).
this is anon just because I don’t have a tumblr. I’ve been thinking of starting one, but it seems like people just fighting in fandoms! You have patience for dealing with things you do.
Blog Master Note: I can understand where you come from to a certain extent, but I really have to disagree with you completely.
First of all, I would recommend you just look through my Natasha Romanoff tag to get a general idea of my thoughts on the subject, because I’m not sure how long this will be. (I’m a bit more sarcastic and sassy in that, though, then I’m going to be in this response, because I am definitely going to try to keep the same polite tone you came to me with in my response).
As to your post itself, one of the reasons why I cannot accept a Ward redemption arc (and why I do accept one for Natasha) is that he has been offered one countless times!!! The instant Natasha was offered a chance to redeem herself, she took it with both hands and never look back. Ward was given countless chances. He was given a chance to come clean when he joined Coulson’s team. He was given a chance when he had Fitz and Simmons and Fitz made his undying loyalty perfectly clear, and instead he tried to murder the two of them. He was given a chance when he was in that cell, and instead of coming clean he refused to say a single word until he could use those words to manipulate Skye/Daisy. He was given a chance when he was being taken for a fair trial, and instead he murdered his guards before going out to kidnap his family and murder them in one of the more torturous ways ever.
Yes, Natasha did a lot of incredibly terrible things. But it still comes down to choices, and while she chose to change the instant that she could and both accepts and regrets the many awful things she has done, Ward spat in the face of every single opportunity for redemption he was handed, and takes delight in his disgusting and villainous actions.
So while I understand while you are trying to make that comparison, I honestly don’t think it’s a valid one.
And because Ward has consistently spat in the face of redemption, it would honestly just be incredibly out of character if the writers tried to make us buy that he’d actually work towards it and start regretting anything that he did.
He even said to his victims faces that he didn’t regret a single thing that he had done to them, and his only regret was revolving around the fact that he didn’t have a team to buddy up with.
And on a less story-analysis note, I do not think that Brett Dalton has the acting prowess to portray a believable redemption arc. As I’ve said many times before, he has two modes: puppy-eyes and creep. And while he is very good at playing creepy, the performance would need to be a lot more layered if to really show the complexities that a redemption arc would require.
And really, on an even less related note, I’m not sure why he should get a redemption arc in the first place. Everything else aside, sometimes the best villains are the ones who don’t get a redemption arc. One of my favorite villains ever, actually, never got one. And I was so happy that he didn’t. And it’s not even like he didn’t get the chance or that it wouldn’t have made sense if the writers wanted to put that into the story. They had all of the elements to write him a believable redemption arc. He had a daughter who he loved with his whole heart and who he would have done anything for, he was working on the same side of the heroes of the show, he wanted to be romantically involved with the heroine, and he had been brought low from his place of power and now understood what it was like to be lorded over by others. Instead he upped his villainy by murdering one of the important characters on the show just because she was in his way, beat the main character to a bloody pulp, and found new ways of trying to destroy the heroes for good. And in the very end he literally was tossed into hell.
And it was one of the best villain arcs I have ever seen, if only because the writers did not go the easy route and give the villain a redemption arc, even though everything was perfectly set up for them to do so. He was a character with many complex layers to him, but he was undeniably and unregretfully a villain.
And while I, at this point, genuinely hate and am bored by and want nothing to do with Ward, I still hope that he will eventually become just as amazing of a villain as this other character was. Because he still actually has that potential, if we ignore Brett’s seeming inability to give a layered performance.
So even ignoring the comparison with other characters who got a redemption arc, I do not want this for Ward because he could be/is so much more interesting as a villain.
I am so sick of SWW hating Lincoln just because they see him as a romantic replacement. There has been no build up to a romance between them the most they have done is talk and laugh, he was wanting her to feel welcomed to a strange place after traumatically getting powers and now she wants to help him out, dealing being outside the safety of the sanctuary. He and Daisy are characters in there own rights. Does the SWW not want Daisy to talk with anyone or try to help anyone but Ward?
Well I would have to disagree on the lack of romantic buildup. It was pretty obvious to me from the start that those two were going to be a thing at some point, but either way it’s absolutely ridiculous of them to hate on Lincoln as a “romantic replacement”!!!
Like, I’m sorry that the so-called “romance” between an actual Marvel superhero and your pathetic neo-Nazi who threatened to rape her and has done nothing but harass and terrify her and treat her cruelly isn’t working out, but you really shouldn’t hate on Lincoln just because he’s the better option!That’s just immature!
SWW: accuse the writers of victim blaming and saying there are bad victims. SWW: Blames May, Daisy, Fitz, Bobbi, Christian and Cal and Jinyang and others who are not on Wards side for their pain. Says they are unsympathetic, caused their own pain, they are weaker that Ward and they are 'over react'
And they wonder why fans of May, Daisy, Fitz, Bobbi, Christian, Cal, Jiaying, etc. all dislike them.
Sometimes even the most obvious things seem to escape them, but I feel as if they should understand this concept since they actively bully people who dislike Ward!
And really, these people have absolutely no business claiming that they “stand with abuse victims” when that is their attitude towards every single abuse victim on this show except for their hot white boy fave.
