no one'll find me here

PEOPLE ARE STILL GIVING OMNIVERSE’S ART STYLE GRIEF. IT HAS BEEN 2 YEARS. CHILL OUT. THE SERIES HAS ENDED. WOULD YOU SPIT ON A GRAVE

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I just realized that all the evil bens have the same watch as omniverse ben, which means one way or another they must have replaced their omnitrix, which means that theyre all probably aware of their universe’s azmuth and on relatively good terms with…

Canonically there is no Azmuth in any timeline that can be evil, since he’s too smart to be evil! That’s why Maltruant settles for Dr. Psychobos. (Spelling????)

Personally, I don’t think all the evil Bens are even evil—for example, I like to think that Nega Ben just gets really swept into Bad Decisions, but he isn’t necessarily evil. He struggles with his morality and oft fails—that’s how I like to think of it. Azmuth still lets him have the Omnitrix since he’s got a good heart generally speaking, but something—maybe he grew up in an unstable household or something—really doesn’t give him the solid foundation that Ben Prime has.

(As an aside, I headcanon all the evil Bens’ grandpa Maxes are all gone—since Grandpa Max is canonically the /reason/ why Ben Prime didn’t stray in the first place, the absence of him is the only way I can think any of the evil Bens would stray.)

I like to think Bad Ben was the first. there isn’t any particular reason—I like the idea of Vilgax accidentally stumbling into a timeline where he could more directly influence Ben, and Bad Ben resulted in that; after that Eon and Vilgax made a more concrete plan, and Bad Ben, being the one that stayed the longest, the one who was the first, he’d be the one who’s the leader. (Implied, since he’s in the centre when he shows up and visually, which is all we have to go off of, that signifies the leader.)

I like to think Mad Ben is more borrowed from Maltruant, so when all of ATTWN/ATTWB was happening, he was actually somewhat distant from it because he had Maltruant already, with a different plan, somewhere else.

#BENCANONS #ALTHOUGH I THINK BAD BEN CAME FROM A ‘SHATTERED GLASS’ WORLD IN WHICH PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE’S ALLEGIANCES ARE SWITCHED #EXCEPT AZMUTH’S OF COURSE #HE’S PROBABLY STILL ON THE SIDE OF GOOD BUT ACTS MORE LIKE THE SULTAN IN OUATIW #LOTS OF POSSIBILITIES#SOMEONE WRITE FANFICS

I actually assumed that Bad Ben was from a shattered glass world as well. Granted, there’s a lot of ways for Ben to turn out evil but I guess it just seemed the simplest?

Azmuth doesnt change alliances because he’s not technically good. He’s a very smart neutral character who doesnt want to rule/ruin the world because that would take so much effort and he’s gotta deal with whatever the side effects are

laughs my bad ben headcanon is just that he’s a little shit and vilgax Helped A Lot with that and i am not afraid to admit that is only because i really love bad ben and he deserves more than a simple allegiance swap

yeah, technically speaking azmuth is true neutral but he does side with good and never sides with evil insofar as we see and he also believes in creation and not destruction, the latter of which tends to be the evil. he preserves and saves lives, but he isn’t necessarily lawful at all

I think ur version is pretty interesting though because like

Allegiance swap? He’s just Ben, but evil. There’s some stuff you can do with that, but it’s kind of self explanatory?

But then with Vilgax. he’s a bit more complex. In this version, Bad Ben has years of a mentor telling him to be bad, to use his omnitrix and wreck everything. And then that guy betrays him. So whats that Ben going to do? What he was taught

Yeah, you and I are basically on the same page with Azmuth. He could do evil things, but it’d be distructive and he doesnt want that

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I DREW THIS

BAD BEN USING WHAT HE WAS TAUGHT, WHEN SHIT HAPPENED THAT HE DIDN'T LIKE HE WENT AND KILLED THE FUCKER WHO DID IT 

it's basically my dream fic to write what happened because I Have So Many Things I Want To Write About This but lol writing!!!! is hard!!! all i want to write basically is an evil monologue complete with maniacal laughter that's not a story self 

maltruant himself said he's too smart to not be good or sth like that but yeah i mean good and evil are just constructs anyway but azmuth doesn't dig the whole destruction thing.

I just realized that all the evil bens have the same watch as omniverse ben, which means one way or another they must have replaced their omnitrix, which means that theyre all probably aware of their universe’s azmuth and on relatively good terms with…

Canonically there is no Azmuth in any timeline that can be evil, since he’s too smart to be evil! That’s why Maltruant settles for Dr. Psychobos. (Spelling????)

Personally, I don’t think all the evil Bens are even evil—for example, I like to think that Nega Ben just gets really swept into Bad Decisions, but he isn’t necessarily evil. He struggles with his morality and oft fails—that’s how I like to think of it. Azmuth still lets him have the Omnitrix since he’s got a good heart generally speaking, but something—maybe he grew up in an unstable household or something—really doesn’t give him the solid foundation that Ben Prime has.

(As an aside, I headcanon all the evil Bens’ grandpa Maxes are all gone—since Grandpa Max is canonically the /reason/ why Ben Prime didn’t stray in the first place, the absence of him is the only way I can think any of the evil Bens would stray.)

I like to think Bad Ben was the first. there isn’t any particular reason—I like the idea of Vilgax accidentally stumbling into a timeline where he could more directly influence Ben, and Bad Ben resulted in that; after that Eon and Vilgax made a more concrete plan, and Bad Ben, being the one that stayed the longest, the one who was the first, he’d be the one who’s the leader. (Implied, since he’s in the centre when he shows up and visually, which is all we have to go off of, that signifies the leader.)

I like to think Mad Ben is more borrowed from Maltruant, so when all of ATTWN/ATTWB was happening, he was actually somewhat distant from it because he had Maltruant already, with a different plan, somewhere else.

#BENCANONS #ALTHOUGH I THINK BAD BEN CAME FROM A ‘SHATTERED GLASS’ WORLD IN WHICH PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE’S ALLEGIANCES ARE SWITCHED #EXCEPT AZMUTH’S OF COURSE #HE’S PROBABLY STILL ON THE SIDE OF GOOD BUT ACTS MORE LIKE THE SULTAN IN OUATIW #LOTS OF POSSIBILITIES#SOMEONE WRITE FANFICS

I actually assumed that Bad Ben was from a shattered glass world as well. Granted, there’s a lot of ways for Ben to turn out evil but I guess it just seemed the simplest?

Azmuth doesnt change alliances because he’s not technically good. He’s a very smart neutral character who doesnt want to rule/ruin the world because that would take so much effort and he’s gotta deal with whatever the side effects are

laughs my bad ben headcanon is just that he's a little shit and vilgax Helped A Lot with that and i am not afraid to admit that is only because i really love bad ben and he deserves more than a simple allegiance swap

yeah, technically speaking azmuth is true neutral but he does side with good and never sides with evil insofar as we see and he also believes in creation and not destruction, the latter of which tends to be the evil. he preserves and saves lives, but he isn't necessarily lawful at all

I just realized that all the evil bens have the same watch as omniverse ben, which means one way or another they must have replaced their omnitrix, which means that theyre all probably aware of their universe’s azmuth and on relatively good terms with...

Canonically there is no Azmuth in any timeline that can be evil, since he's too smart to be evil! That's why Maltruant settles for Dr. Psychobos. (Spelling????)

Personally, I don't think all the evil Bens are even evil--for example, I like to think that Nega Ben just gets really swept into Bad Decisions, but he isn't necessarily evil. He struggles with his morality and oft fails--that's how I like to think of it. Azmuth still lets him have the Omnitrix since he's got a good heart generally speaking, but something--maybe he grew up in an unstable household or something--really doesn't give him the solid foundation that Ben Prime has.

(As an aside, I headcanon all the evil Bens' grandpa Maxes are all gone--since Grandpa Max is canonically the /reason/ why Ben Prime didn't stray in the first place, the absence of him is the only way I can think any of the evil Bens would stray.)

I like to think Bad Ben was the first. there isn't any particular reason--I like the idea of Vilgax accidentally stumbling into a timeline where he could more directly influence Ben, and Bad Ben resulted in that; after that Eon and Vilgax made a more concrete plan, and Bad Ben, being the one that stayed the longest, the one who was the first, he'd be the one who's the leader. (Implied, since he's in the centre when he shows up and visually, which is all we have to go off of, that signifies the leader.)

I like to think Mad Ben is more borrowed from Maltruant, so when all of ATTWN/ATTWB was happening, he was actually somewhat distant from it because he had Maltruant already, with a different plan, somewhere else.

I just realized that all the evil bens have the same watch as omniverse ben, which means one way or another they must have replaced their omnitrix, which means that theyre all probably aware of their universe’s azmuth and on relatively good terms with him, which means Azmuth saw a 16 year old kid take over the earth and gave him a new and improved way to rule

I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR LITERAL CENTURIES

but also like I imagine that they don't necessarily have to be on good terms with Azmuth or even have to meet Azmuth at all, like if Azmuth had created a new and improved version and they stole it? Or they went into another "good Ben" timeline and killed him and/or took the Omnitrix, then they could replicate it. In any case, it's really interesting that all of the evil Bens have the new Omnitrixes, and I think about this all the time. Aaaaallll the time. /breaks open a book of headcanons