let’s talk about caleb and mona knowing how the other one takes their coffee and ezra’s triflin good for nothing switch hitter ass

They always made us believe Mona and Caleb hated each other and only got along to appease Hannah. This makes me wonder if they have always been working together for whatever reason. Is Mona still on the A team? Does Caleb help her? It just seemed like a weird scene to include

ALISON LAUREN DILAURENTIS or ALISON LAUREN DRAKE...that is the question

We’ve all wondered why someone would give their child a middle name that is also in their last name. Buttt, what if Alison isn’t a Dilaurentis but actually a Drake? We know that Jessica took Charles and raised him as one of her own bc mary was in Radley and unfit to be a mother. After 7.07 and learning that Mary had TWO children I started thinking that if Jessica took her sisters first born, then she would probably take & raise her 2nd born as well…. Right? Why raise only 1 child when there’s 2? Think about Cece and her relationship with Alison. Jessica absolutely hated their friendship. She called it toxic. We were first introduced to Cece as Cece Drake. She was basically an older version of Alison….like, to a T. Now that we’ve been introduced to Mary Drake, we have every reason to believe that CeCe was very much aware of who her mother was, hence her last name Drake. Maybe Jessica didn’t want Ali around Cece bc she knew that CeCe knew and didn’t want Ali to find out who her birth mother was. When Cece was admitting everything to Ali, she sings a line “hail to the mister, who comes between me and my sister.” Now, we all thought she said this bc of Ali being her sibling with Jessica as their mother–but what if she said that knowing Mary was their mother. Cece knew A LOT and I think Jessica felt threatened by her and all that she knew. NOWWWW, after all that, think about Alison and her middle name. Jessica wouldn’t give her child a middle name that’s also in her last name. BUT, if Ali is in fact Mary’s daughter, and a Drake, then maybe Mary gave Ali that middle name as a nod to her sisters married name, Dilaurentis bc she knew Jessica was going to raise Ali as her own. It makes complete sense when you look at it this way. Also, Marlene has told us before that Alis name was a major clue. Maybe this is how. Please give me your thoughts! I’d love to hear them all!! ThAnks, tAy!! @missboudreau I want to hear your thoughts too, sissy!!!😙😙

Yes!

I’m just waiting for Mary Drake to be revealed as Mrs. D and that Mary Drake is really the one who died.

She has Jessicas necklace and she make beef wellington...hmmm. It would be like the books but instead or Ali and Courtney it's Mary and Jessica

So what happened to this scene where the liars come back for ali saying “hes coming for you” 🙄 @rosewoodspy @ariathekiller @spencers-bleeding-purse @monariaisa

Good question

I think that is in season 7

I’ve seen something saying this was one of Grunwald’s visions as apparently she’s returning, could be wrong!

Yeah dont think it could a vision could be something else going with this scene 🤔

 Synopsis for 7x08 Says Ali returns to work. I’m just not sure why she’d still be using the last name Rollins.

Legally it's her last name and maybe the school requires her to use her legal name ?

Rewatching the flashback

Could Jenna have been researching Charlotte’s mother because she was “hired” by Charlotte? Maybe Jenna sought her out because she knew about the Carissimi Group money somehow?

I just don’t think Jenna seems very genuinely concerned about Charlotte. Even in the flashback it seems almost like she’s just an employee or something. And how she was treating Sara too… Not as an equal but as an underling.

Throughout the whole series Jenna has consistently used people and that hasn’t changed. She used Toby, she dated Garret and Noel to try to get information (imo). Everyone Jenna surrounds herself with, it’s always purposeful. Shana ended up dead trying to get revenge for Jenna. We still don’t know what was up with Sydney but she was spying on the girls for Jenna.

I just don’t believe Charlotte and Jenna’s “friendship” was real. Jenna wouldn’t help her and get nothing out of it.

I don’t buy her story in the slightest about them being friends and her “reading” about her being locked up in welby bc if I remember correctly didn’t spencer say to Shaun’s once “who is Jenna so afraid of”? And Shaun’s response to her was “Cece Drake”! Now that was even before we knew of Cece being -A! It was made very clear she was fearful of Cece!

Exactly. Shana straight up said Jenna was afraid of Cece and Marlene has confirmed that Cece was targeting Jenna. So unless she goes back on all of that I don’t but their “friendship” at all.

And they were both at the Kahns party that night and saw each other and gave each other a weird look

WREN CAME THROUGH!!!

Never give up on Wren!

Question:

Mary Drake just implied that the vertical scar she showed was from Charlotte’s c- section.

Having had a c section myself, my experience was that it was horizontal and much lower on my abdomen.

Before I call this suspicious or blame the show for no attention to detail…

Has anyone else ever seen or heard of a vertical c section scar?

Usually c sections are horizontal and low but maybe if the doc had to do it quickly and wasn't a very good OB doc (she was in a mental institution not in a typical hospital where babies are delivered ) then I guess it could be done vertically.

Everyone thinks that Ali was once pregnant, but...

What if Cece had been lying all along and it was actually HER who ended up getting pregnant?

Think about it. Darren Wilden and Cece had a very interesting relationship from what we’ve been shown… One minute they’re partying in Cape May and the next it seemed like they were in evil cahoots together. That is until Cece seemed afraid and tried to leave Rosewood to get away from him and in the end she ended up murdering him. But WHY did she murder him? That’s the million dollar question. 

What was Cece’s motive? Why did Wilden have to die in order for her to feel safe? What was she hiding? 

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Did Darren Wilden get Cece knocked up? Did Cece confess to Ali that she was ‘late’ and that she thought he would kill her if he knew, instead of it being the other way around? After Alison had gone missing Wilden had made it his life mission to figure out what had really happened That Night, is it because Alison knew the truth about him and Cece? Two can only keep a secret if one of them is dead… 

It’s intriguing to me that Cece has been such a key part of our main story yet she wasn’t introduced until season 3. Is that because she was away raising a child the first two seasons? Did she give her daughter up for adoption? Is she becoming a mother the real reason why she dropped out of UPENN? Everyone has speculated that the little girl from the Amish farm is Alison and Wilden’s daughter because Wilden was Amish in the PLL books, but what if she is actually Wilden and CECE’S daughter? That would explain why Cece kept coming back to the farm and brought the girl all of those dolls, she wanted to stay close with her. 

Cece having a child with Wilden would also explain why she murdered him. A true crime of passion. It’s possible that Wilden threatened to take their daughter away from her similar to how he threatened Ashley Marin with Hanna. And of course, any mother would move heaven and hell before they would ever let their child get taken away from them, wouldn’t they? 

And that would also tie in the famous Wilden mask that Archer/Rollins had been wearing this season, could Cece have possibly made a mask of Wilden’s face after she shot and killed him? Did Archer somehow get a hold of it after she was arrested for being ‘A’? From her ‘A’ lair?

This may be a long shot but if you think about it long enough, it actually starts to make sense. I think that Cece was pregnant that summer, not Alison. x

Thought the same but then I realised if CeCe was telling the truth in her reveal she couldn’t get pregnant because she was born a boy

I’ve gotten a lot of comments from people saying that “oh but Cece was born a male and couldn’t have gotten pregnant” but if that is your ONLY fact to debug my theory then I can debug that, too. CECE LIED. 

Cece was NOT born a male, she was in fact born a FEMALE. 

I said this a few days ago in a different post and I’ll say it again, if Cece was indeed a transgender woman then she would have never dressed as a man in the Dollhouse. Especially since the Dollhouse prom that was a recreation of the prom that Melissa, Ian, Jason, and CECE all had seven years prior and Cece had won prom queen back then. 

The only way it could be possible that Cece was transgender would be if she weren’t the ‘A’ in the Dollhouse and that she only admitted to being ‘A’ in order to cover for somebody, which could very well be true, but I also think that that theory has too many plot holes involved. Radley Sanitarium was a WOMEN’S mental hospital (go back and rewatch any episode filmed in Radley, you’ll notice there are no men except for doctors and nurses) and there is no way that a young Charles Drake would have ever been admitted to that hospital. 

In my opinion, I think that everything Cece said to Ali in 6x10 was a lie! x

I agree with you totally. I think cece was the one pregnant (wilden and cece are around the same age so it doesn't make it as gross as it would be if it was Ali) and that she is not Charles. Charles is Uber A and she was covering for him. Whoever he is

THIS IS ENDGAME!!!!!!!!!

@rosewoodspoiler made this incredible YouTube video ( https://youtu.be/Ci_HCbRMPCU ) and it literally BLEW MY MIND. I believe without a doubt this is ENDGAME.

I am going to summarize some of the main points and add in some personal thoughts and theories. Sorry if it’s kind of all over the place. Trying to get all the thoughts out.

1. Cece Drake is really Bethany Young **Whenever I use the name Bethany from now on, I am referring to the character we know as Cece Drake. -Bethany is the daughter of Mary Drake and Mr Young (who is British) -They had 2 children: Wren and Bethany -Wren is Uber A and Bethany is Big A -They have been working together the whole time. They are brother & sister. -Bethany got the inspiration of her fake name “Cece Drake” from her moms maiden name. -She was born/put in Radley because of her violent outbursts and bipolar disorder. (also her parents had mental illness) -The picture Wren is seen coloring in Radley is of his mother and father (Mary & Mr Young) and him and Bethany. -Wren moved to London with his father and changed his name (& somehow became a doctor- real or fake idk). -Bethany was Jessica’s niece, which is why Jessica asked her to call her Aunt Jessie. -She was able to get out of Radley because she was blackmailing Jessica because she knew about her secret son/daughter Charles, so Jessica being on the board gave her out privileges. -Bethany hated Jessica and Alison because they were living “the perfect life” while she had to grow up in Radley and also she knew that Jessica put her son in Radley because he was transgender. -Wren, as Bethanys older brother, also hated them. Especially for what his sister had to go through. He is Uber A. He isn’t in Radley so he had the power to do all the heavy work and Bethany enlisted Mona (and other members of the A team who hated Ali for their own reasons) for help.

2. Sara Harvey is really Charles/Charlotte DiLaurentis -Charlotte is the son/daughter of Jessica and Kenneth DiLaurentis. Ali is her sister and Jason is her half brother. -He always wanted to be a girl but did NOT have a mental disorder, but Kenneth didn’t like it and put him in Radley. **Anytime I use the name Charlotte from now on, I am referring to the character that we know as Sara Harvey. -Bethany and Charlotte met in Radley and grew up as friends. They both had their reasons for hating/envying Alison. -The girl in the grave is the real Sara Harvey: Bethany stole the body and planted her own DNA on the body so people would believe she was actually dead so she could continue to be anonymous. “Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.” -When Bethany is caught as A when the girls escape the dollhouse, she pretends she is Charlotte DiLaurentis, in order to gain sympathy from everyone and avoid jail time. No one can question this because everyone thinks Bethany is dead and no one knows who Bethany actually is-no one has ever “seen her.” -The real Charlotte goes along with it, and pretends to be Sara Harvey to the girls in Rosewood. Maybe Bethany forced her into it (like in the flashback when Charlotte asks Bethany “what did you just do?!” when Bethany pushes Marion off the roof and Bethany lashes out and says “YOU pushed her.”) I feel like Bethany has total control over Charlotte. -Charlotte (the character we know as Sara Harvey) is always saying she wants a shower. This isn’t just annoying repetitive writing, there is a REASON for it. Anytime she gets upset or stressed, she wants to shower. -In the flashback of Charles as a kid, he says to baby Alison, “You know what always makes me feel better…?” And draws the baby a bath. BOOM!!!!!! Mind blown right?! @rosewoodspoiler is literally a GENIUS for putting that together!!!!! Unbelievably amazing!!!!!!!! -Charlotte gets a tattoo on her back of a bird flying out of a cage. She is now free to be her true self- a woman. -Bethany and Charlotte paid off a girl to pretend to be Sara Harvey’s friend, so the story would hold up when Emily goes to meet her. Otherwise it would seem weird that Sara wouldn’t want to go see anyone from her life after being “locked in the dollhouse for years”

3. Someone turned in Bethany(“Cece”) to the police (in one of the first few seasons when she is shown getting arrested) and she thinks that it was Jessica, so she kills Jessica. -Jessica is talking to the REAL Charlotte /ChArles(“Sara”) when she says “I can’t protect you anymore” -Charlotte(“Sara”) says to Emily “I was saying goodbye to someone” when Emily sees her standing in the cemetery. Later we are shown it is Jessica’s tomb stone. She was saying goodbye to her MOTHER!!!!! (Once again-all credit for this find goes to @rosewoodspoiler ) -Charlotte has the secret passage way in the Radley hotel because she lived there almost her whole life.

4. Someone kills Bethany Young by pushing her off the church tower. -Uber A (WREN!!!!) goes insane because someone killed his sister and starts torturing the liars all over again trying to find out who it was. -I personally believe that Charlotte found out that Bethany killed Jessica, and so she killed her in revenge.

5. So how does Rollins fit into this? I believe he is Wrens friend who Wren sent to watch over Bethany while he hides in the shadows. -Rollins and Mary Drake are working together, he is helping her find out who killed her daughter -BETHANY YOUNG. -The only reason Rollins got involved with Ali is to push the idea that Bethany should be released (and it worked. By that time Ali felt soooo sorry for Bethany(“Cece”) and even convinced the 4 liars to vote for her to be released)

I know this was all jumbled and it can get confusing with the names but I just had to get it all down. Comment, ask questions, tell me what you think!!!!!!

This is mind blowing and totally awesome. It makes so much sense. And everything fits in

Proof that Cece was not Charles.

THEY GAVE US A CLUE LAST NIGHT AND NO ONE HAS EVEN NOTICED. (Not complaining but a little surprised, tbh)

The Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare.

Emily and Aria found this play book inside of Archer/Elliott’s secret apartment…

We all remember the film adaption of The Twelfth Night with Amanda Bynes and Channing Tatum, right? Well, for those who don’t, I’ll explain.

The Twelfth Night is a play made into a movie about a girl, Viola, and her twin-brother Sebastian. In the movie version the character Viola (Amanda Bynes) switches places with her twin-brother and goes to college pretending to be him while he travels the world with his band. Viola is determined to prove to herself and to everybody else that girls can do anything a boy can do, if not better, so she joins the men’s soccer team as Sebastian. While pretending to be her brother she ends up falling for her/his roommate and teammate, Duke (Channing Tatum), which only further complicates her situation as she leads a double life. Eventually Viola’s real life brother Sebastian comes back home to school (without telling Viola of course) and messes up Viola’s cover. Sebastian ends up going to their final soccer match, as himself, with no idea how to play soccer. Viola sits back and watches him lose their match until she can’t take it anymore and at half time she confronts her brother and talks him into switching back places with her so she could play in the match as him. Long story short, the principal enters the soccer field near the end of the game and announces that he has suspicions that Sebastian is indeed a woman, which ends Viola’s little charade. She confesses that she was pretending to be her brother and they switch back to their normal lives, leaving Viola free to date Duke. 

Let’s connect that to our Pretty Little Liars world…

Could Cece and Wren be the real life version of Viola and Sebastian? 

Wren (Sebastian) left town to go to London while Cece (Viola) stayed in Rosewood to continue what he started, the A-game. When the Liars started getting closer and closer to A’s true identity, Charles Drake, Cece had no choice but to pretend to be her brother. So she let the Liars find her and she fed them her twin brothers story instead of her own. She lied that way her brother Wren/Charles would be free to carry out their master plan. 

She assumed the identity of her brother, Charles, in order to throw the Liars and everybody else off of his trail. The only problem was Elliott/Archer (Duke). Cece, still pretending to be Charlotte, accidentally fell in love with him. And who knows what she may have confided in him during those five years in Welby together…

If Cece and Wren ARE actually siblings/twins then that would also explain the recent picture that Huw Collins had posted on social media of himself and Julian Morris; Archer/Elliott and Wren could have been almost brother-in-laws.  And it’s possible that Archer is living out Cece’s part of the plan for Charles now that she’s dead. 

Archer Dunhill = A.D.

Charles Drake = Wren Kingston

Charlotte DiLaurentis = Cece Drake

I LOVE THIS

THIS IS AMAZING

I hope the writers will be as smart as you and write it like that!

Reddit Theory (via pllonfreeform)

I think you are onto something with this way of thinking. But I don't think A.D. helped Ali. I think it was Mary because she seemed to have some sympathy for Ali the last episode and told Rollins he was going too far. But Marlene said Mary is not A.D. So either Mary and A.D. worked together to help Ali or Mary did it on her own.

I JUST TALKED TO THE MARLENE KING ON THE PHONE I AM IN TEARS

Holy shit

Is that Marlene’s NUMBER

Wow

iPhone needs a feature where an incoming call doesn’t take up the whole screen so you can do other things while you ignoring a phone call.

The Note 4 has that feature