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Let's go buckle some swash or whatever !!

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Hi !! I joined for Once Upon a Time, loved it S1-6 ( S7 ??? What season 7 ??). Captain Swan forever, Jennifer Morrison and Colin O'Donoghue !! I'm here for all the CS headcanon, AU and Canon Divergent fics !! Currently obssessed with Agents Of Shield's awesome S5 (I know, it was terrible for a while but S4 brought it back on track !!) I have a love/hate relationship with all the investigation shows on History and Janet from the Good Place is my child !! Not here to offend anyone, but I speak my mind as it is my blog and all....We can talk civilly about different opinions so don't come at it with some nonsense !! WARNING: I'm also super nice and I will call you all sorts of pet names very easily because I do it with my friends in real life !!
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Hey !!! It’s been a while !!

So I’ve recently been back knitting and now I’m obsessed but I lack people in my life to talk about it with….So maybe here ? (ravelry is very intimidating)

So here is my future scandinavian sweater I’m very proud of, so anyways it deserves to be on the interwebs forever ! 😉

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The boyfriend is watching Eurovision with me and making snarky comments….I think I found true love !!

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It’s Eurovision night, I don’t know who is who anymore but good evening Tumblr !!!!

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How don’t know how Bly Manor can be good and lame at the same time but it is !!!!

That was barely spooky!!!

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awed-frog

Digital artist Daniel Voshart recreates the ‘real’ faces of Roman emperors thanks to machine learning. You can learn more about the process, discover more emperors or buy a poster here.

[Marcus Aurelius]

[Lucius Verus]

[Trajan]

NO WAY IN HELL WERE THEY THIS WHITE

Today we are going to discuss a very serious topic: individuals who think that Italic people were POC.

I went down a rabbit hole of DNA studies trying to understand why people on tumblr seem to think the Romans were not white, and here are a few thoughts:

  • in Europe, ‘white’ isn’t a thing
  • in the sense that there are so many shades of white, it doesn’t really mean anything
  • like, Spanish white and Swedish white are different things, but we wouldn’t consider either ‘non-white’ or ‘whiter’
  • you can generally tell where someone’s from, but there are people who ‘look out of place’ a bit everywhere
  • either because recent or century-old migrations, or because of a previous population that lived there and then the borders moved or something
  • and: in a nutshell, Italian geography discourages friendships
  • that means that before the Romans came along, people generally kept to themselves, so there’s more genetic diversity the farther back you go
  • at some point in the Neolithic, there were non Indo-European tribes living in Italy, but we don’t know exactly where they came from
  • the Indo-European people, on the other hand, probably invaded from the North
  • except for the Etruscans, because as it turns out, Herodotus was right (AGAIN! HAHHAHAHAHAHA SUCK IT HATERS) and they actually came from somewhere in modern Turkey
  • which still doesn’t mean they weren’t white, btw
  • even today, there’s plenty of people in the Middle East who look like this:

[top to bottom: a Kurdish fighter; Iranian politician Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf; Syrian writer Samar Yazbek]

  • so the notion of ‘race’ as it’s understood in the US doesn’t really work elsewhere
  • if it even works in the US, that is
  • so anyway, from what we know from literary sources, the Romans weren’t incredibly dark
  • (btw people abroad, and especially Americans, tend to have a fixed idea of what Italians look like and act like)
  • (but most of the Italians who emigrated to the US came from four Southern regions - Campania, Puglia, Basilicata, Calabria, and Sicilia - and because Italy basically became a united country, like, 20 years ago, it’s still a very diverse nation)
  • (so what you think of as a ‘typical’ Italian is probably the great-grandnephew of a ‘typical’ resident of one small village in Sicily)
  • and the ‘typical’ Roman you often see in movies, with tanned skin, dark eyes and curly black hair, probably wasn’t a ‘typical’ Roman at all
  • those traits are way more common in some areas of the South - where about 37% of the population has Greek DNA because ancient colonies
  • so while blond hair probably wasn’t really common (we can tell because it was greatly admired and sought after, and people generally like what they don’t have), neither were darker skin and black hair
  • in fact, a lot of politicians and other VIPs are described in the texts as having light eyes (light blue, green and gray) and some had blond or red hair
  • others died their hair blond with pigeon poop, but that’s another story
  • so the bottom line is - like modern inhabitants of Italy, ancient Romans were white, but in many cases you could probably tell from where their family came from, and some were ‘whiter’ than others depending on their ancestry
  • that said, the European past was a lot more diverse than our instinctive perception of it
  • there was a lot of trade going on, slaves from conquered lands, wealthy and poor people roaming about, and units of foreign-born Roman soldiers in unlikely places, so that’s something to keep in mind.

As a bonus for reading this far, here is a smiling wolf.

(Also please stop saying those guys are chads, daddys and DILFs. Most of them were dangerous sociopaths who’d feed you to their pet eels if they could.)

@ink-phoenix uh. Have at it?

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ink-phoenix

OP forgot to add these:

Pertinax

Caracalla: (UL) Vatican Museum; (UR) Met, NYC; (LL) The Severan Tondo; (LR) Naples National Archaeological Museum

Philip the Arab: (L) Vatican Museum

244–249 (died aged 45 — Killed in the Battle of Verona by Decius

Quintillus [Marcus Aurelius Claudius Quintillus]

Florianus

Carinus

Numerian

To add to the commentary above, many of the greatest men in Roman history came from provinces outside of the Italian Peninsula, but they were and have since been considered Roman (examples: the emperor Trajan was from Hispania, and Septimus Severus was born in an African province).

Later in Roman history, under Caracalla (who was born in Gaul and of mixed Berber and Syrian descent, so another Roman figure not Italian-Roman) in 212 AD all free men in the entire Roman Empire was granted citizenship. That meant that any Germanics, Africans, Latins, Hispanics, Syrian, etc. were all considered Roman! Regardless of race.

This is what encompassed the Roman Empire:

So you can imagine the intermixing that went on at the time and how the concept or “white” the way America presents it is absolutely inconsequential for the time period we’re talking about.

After the fall of the Roman Empire, Commune cities formed, autonomous republic that survived exclusively on Marine trade with Spain, Africa, and East India. Amalfi, Gaeta and Venice in the 11th century were already autonomous maritime republics. Around 1100, Genoa, Pisa and Ancona emerged as independent maritime republics too.

Trade, shipbuilding and banking helped support their powerful navies in the Mediterranean in those medieval centuries. Immigration and ethnic inter-mixing was pretty common — to the point that Italians to this day look as varied and different from north to south and from city to city as it behooves the multicultural and trade-rich peninsula it always was.

Thank you for the great addition, @ink-phoenix! 

(Just in case there’s any doubt, the reason I didn’t include them is because I had no idea this post would be so popular and literally screenshotted the first twenty emperors on the chart to save time - and also they’re the ones I know best, there were people there I’d literally never heard of - like Ulpia Severina, I had to go and Google her.)  

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I hope I’m not jinxing it but wow this first date was great.....a true gentleman, I haven’t been treated that good since forever !!

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Damn it !! I was expecting a fun chick flick when I put on the sisterhood of the traveling pants......that movie is freaking depressing !!! Wtf ?!?

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Oh 2020......I shouldn’t be surprised my workplace might be shutting down by December 31th....what a shitty year !!!

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Really random but if anyone still follows me here is what I found out about becoming a plant person : buy a lot of them !!

I use to get one at the time and felt guilty when it died but now I got 12 and only one is dead and another one has a 50/50 chance of survival.....overall, you’ll agree, a success !!! And I’m getting more and more because the ones that are thriving need bigger pots and can’t leave the cute small pots empty obviously !!!

And this, my friends, is how I got a new obsession !!

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Ok, but when is Lucifer S5 B being released ?? You can leave it on that cliffhanger !!!

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Oh nooooo, Lucifer is doing a film noir episode !! Can tv writers just stop !!! They all do it and it’s always the same shit with the gangsters and a private detective and the singer in a dive bar....come on !!! How many times do we have to see basically the same episode in different shows ???

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