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Mehak; random, crazy, thodi si kameeni :) Obsessions: Rani Mukerji. Salman Khan. Anushka Sharma. Ranveer Singh. Bollywood. Dill Mill Gayye.
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phati-sari

Hello! I was reading your countless analysis & wow, it floored me. Youā€™re so articulate with your thoughts, itā€™s amazing. I love discussing common interests, I want to ask you - do you think that ASR didnā€™t repent enough for what he did to Khushi? & that she forgave him too easily for all he did - marrying her forcefully, threatening & blackmailing her, straining her relations, manhandling, demeaning, hurting her, dominating her, calling her characterless, accusing her of infidelity. (1/n)

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Did you ever think that Khushi, while very loving, affectionate and sensitive, was somewhere weak that she the need to beg in front of him and prove her innocence despite all that he did to her? And then forgiving him (comparatively) easily, especially after he still blamed HER for what Shyam did (and not Shyam for being a vulture, like a typical MCP) & called her the biggest mistake of his life? (2/n)

I always felt very uncomfortable with how Khushi BELIEVED that it was ALL her mistake & couldā€™ve been prevented had she not been there. She was the victim here but was made to believe she was the culprit and it really bothers me. I understand all things about being madly in love/not wanting to lose your love, but then how do you draw the line between doing things for love/being in love and honouring your self respect? How many apologies are even good enough for calling you characterless? (3/3)

Hello!

Thank you very much for the compliments :)Ā 

do you think that ASR didnā€™t repent enough for what he did to Khushi? No.

Did you ever think that Khushi, while very loving, affectionate and sensitive, was somewhere weak that she the need to beg in front of him and prove her innocence despite all that he did to her? No.

Arnavā€™s redemption (or lack thereof) and Khushiā€™s tendency to forgive him are discussed in great detail here (Iā€™m qhsahil).Ā 

Your three-ask-long message had only these two questions in it, the rest was made up of your opinions and rhetorical questions. Iā€™d appreciate if you could read this post :)

In addition, your questions are phrased (perhaps unconsciously) in a way that presupposes my answer. It makes the entire message read as though youā€™re less interested in my opinion and more interested in my agreement. I donā€™t agree with your position but that doesnā€™tĀ invalidate either of our views -- the enjoyment and interpretation of a piece of fiction is subjective in nature. But the way you phrased your questions essentially means that if I disagree, I have to defend my position

I read through your message a few times but was unable to work out whether your disappointment and dislike stemmed from a reading of Arnav and Khushi as characters or as human beings.Ā 

As a fictional character, Khushiā€™s strength was framed around her selflessness and her Fatal Flaw (projection of her goodness onto others) was spun as a positive trait. In contrast, Arnavā€™s strength was in loyalty and responsibility to his family and his fatal flaw (anger) was spun into a negative trait. There are well written and (more importantly) quite consistently written characters. Many of the things you seem to dislike about their actions are manifestations of their character sketches.

I also think thereā€™s a huge difference between a character doing things that we (the audience) donā€™t like, donā€™t agree with, or wouldnā€™t do ourselves, and that character being weak or poorly written.

If weā€™re talking about them as human beings (people who exist outside of the fictional world of IPKKND and in our world) then I agree that Arnav is abusive and Khushi shouldā€™ve left him. But Iā€™m not about to call a woman in an abusive relationship with a man almost ten years her senior weak.Ā 

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chamkeeli

Hey @phati-sari, thank you so much for replying!

I guess, maybe my question rubbed off the wrong way - just want to clarify, that it wasnā€™t the case AT ALL.

I wasnā€™t looking for your agreement, not at all. I wanted your opinion, hence I was just fleshing out mine, so I could just explain where it is stemming from. If I didnā€™t want to understand your POV or opinion and just wanted you to stand firm with my stance, I wouldā€™ve sent you an ask anonymously :) but thatā€™s not me.

The only reason I wrote and asked what I did was because itā€™s a thought I had been struggling with for a long time and I know that my perspective is one sided and there might various perspectives to something hence I just wanted to understand yourā€™s, so I could perhaps see things differently. I just wanted to discuss it with someone whoā€™s as passionate about the show and is up for a healthy discussion. Didnā€™t want you to defend your position - just genuinely wanted to understand whatā€™s your take on it. Guess, despite trying to word it as nicely and politely as possible, it didnā€™t fall across well :) so, I apologise for the same.

Also, apologise for sending you a long ask, hadnā€™t read your FAQ before but now I have. Iā€™m sorry if you felt any kind of obligation or pressure. No qualms in apologising :)

And the way youā€™ve explained your opinion is very much accurate and it does put things in a broader perspective. I agree with your analysis on their characters, their positives and negatives.

Maybe, youā€™re right. I understand their perspectives as characters, maybe. But maybe as real human beings, some of their actions make me uncomfortable. However, I also believe that at the end of the day, we may or may not agree with them, but they made THEIR own decision. If Khushi wanted to forgive him, it was her choice eventually, so we canā€™t question her for making a choice for herself, but express disagreement? Certainly.

About the ā€˜weakā€™ connotation, thereā€™s again a lot that I wish to express but Iā€™ll let it be because this is turning into an essay aha.

But, a big thank you to you for shelling out your precious time to read, understand and answer my ask, it really means a lot so thank you šŸ˜Š and sorry for the trouble with my long ask, hopefully wonā€™t trouble you any more šŸ˜…

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