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Kindred Spirits

@fuckyeahrogueandmagnus / fuckyeahrogueandmagnus.tumblr.com

Serving your Rogue/Magneto needs.
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I'd like to point out that Rogue's inability to touch people isn't just an angsty romance trope but also something that keeps her away from her friends and that also hinders her job as a hero and that makes it all the more heartbreaking. Reducing it to a romance trope really does a disservice to her character arc that, pre-Gambit, had been very focused on being a reliable friend and hero to redeem her past

This!!!!

And the problem is not solely with the fans that only associate her character with that. It’s the messaging people got through years and years of content. Since Gambit was thrown in the picture, both in comics and animations, 80% of her inability to touch has been focused on the romantic and sexual barriers. Not only that, but it has been glorified and put on ‘the ultimate hill to conquer’ for her character. There was a brief, absolutely refreshing, pause on that narrative through the Legacy run and up to the point where she got back to Gambit. And then her character reverted to same old story. 😔

I miss 80s Rogue so much! I miss seeing her explore and develop strong reports with other characters and with the reality of her powers outside a romantic context.

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Rogue forgetting about that crusty old man and seeking revenge for Remy only okay X-Men 97 you are forgiven for your sins

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I mean… no? That’s not what happened at all? Rogue broke down sobbing when Kurt mentioned Mags, she clearly didn’t just forget about him. It seems more like she was deliberately focusing only on Remy.

I wager it’s because, to her, it feels like grieving Magneto too is a betrayal. She clearly feels like Remy’s death is at least partially her fault, she’s in the bargaining stage of grief right now. Maybe if I’d told him I chose him, he wouldn’t have sacrificed himself. Maybe he did it because he felt like he had nothing to live for. And she also probably feels like since she turned down Magneto’s affections, she’s not entitled to mourn him.

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Ok so this is me sorta headcanoning, so take this with a grain of salt, but one of the reasons why the infantilization of Rogue always bothers me is because I always felt like her powers were a metaphor for disability/chronic illness and fandom police act already like disabled women aren't capable of being in their own villain romances, example being Entrapdak antis denying Entrapta her own agency in her romance with Hordak in the She-Ra reboot.

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Oh! But you make a really good point! It’s one of those subtle perspectives that can be dangerous just because of how easy they are to integrate into someone's view of the world. I'm not as vocal online as I used to be. I feel like there are people out there far better equipped to talk about it than I, while I grow old and cranky. But, you brought up a really important aspect that kinda sent me into a 'hold my beer' moment so apologies for the long answer! To start with, I wouldn’t call this a headcanon, not at all, clearly not in the context of X-men, and Rogue in particular. It’s a very apt analogy. The reason why these characters become relevant to us is because we recognize something from our personal journey in them, and the comparison you made for Rogue is a very strong one. Her inability to touch can absolutely be read as a disability! In so many of her stories/arcs it is often portrayed as a struggle, as an obstacle to a ‘normal life’. Her difficulties with gaining control over her powers and dealing with other personalities that are trying to take over her mind can also be a strong metaphor for mental health struggles/disorders. Rogue is a fantastic hero in that regard and seeing her be her own person, learning how to work and be proud of what she can do, can feel like a personal victory for so many people. It’s why it’s important to see her happy, to see her winning her battles and use who she is and what she can do in a positive and impactful way. There are many reasons why fans end up taking away her agency or attributing her choices to a different (often male) character. And, to be fair, a couple of comic-book writers have done this exact thing to her, so I can see where this skewed perspective might be coming from. Within fandom this happens mostly because it serves to support their arguments for whatever thing they prefer or project onto the character. If they don’t like a certain narrative or can’t accept that it might’ve be written for someone else, they have this to fall back on and point to. Or, sadly, one of the simplest reasons for doing this is the age-old turning their ship preferences into ‘I’m right, you are wrong’ arguments. But these things can hide some internalized misconceptions. Unfortunately I haven’t seen the reboot of She-Ra (shame on me) so I don’t have the full picture for the take on Entrapta, but now I have one more reason to invest some time in it. In this situation with Rogue, I believe that what you mentioned applies very well. The argument that I’ve seen going around a lot is that Rogue was manipulated/swayed by being presented with the opportunity to ‘be normal’. Because she wanted to be able to touch and as a result she was taken advantage of because of her ‘disability’. Which is entirely false. In no version of the relationship between Rogue and Magneto in the comics, and not even in the reinvented take in the animation, has he ever abused that. Her attraction to him has always, always, come first, and the ability to touch, second. He was never the first one to act upon it. Even in the animation, every shot in the flashback was carefully considered to portray that - she is shown as the initiator every time (my favourite scene is when she’s trying her very best to pose in a suggestive way and he just paints her as he sees her, lively and sincere). But some fans don’t want to see that. They don’t want to acknowledge the authenticity of her decisions because it doesn’t serve the narrative they want of her/for her.

I read your message and it hit like a hammer how much deeper this problem can actually go, because it’s masked by those surface-level justifications. Removing agency and responsibility from someone just because they operate differently than one’s expectations is damaging in and of itself, and within a fandom it perpetuates an idea that can stifle people’s perspective and critical thinking. (This whole topic actually reminded me of Madison Tevlin's “Assume that I can” commercial. I think it's relevant to the conversation) Thanks a lot for sharing this!!! We need to talk more about these things and if I misspoke on something or missed something important would love to hear it. 💜

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I want to talk more about Rogue. How she’s left a queen over a broken dream, wearing a crown over a broken ideal and so many deaths.

I think Erik knows. I think his heart aches. Because he’s lived with himself and his survivor’s guilt throughout. And he’s inflicted that on her.

I wonder if she understands. I wonder if she knows the reason why she was the right person for Genosha. I wonder if, once the pain in her heart quiets down, she will truly understand Erik’s ask and the responsibly he needed to share with her. Because she is better than him. Better than anyone who’s only known how to play on just one side of the fence.

Because she is the only one strong enough to overcome.

Everyone is so focused on Magneto and Gambit and what they did. It was astonishing. But we need to talk more about the ones that are left with the excruciating task of having to rise up from the ashes and fill the void.

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okay wait i got another post in me about the gala scene (yeah, im still not over it.)

also this might just be an excuse to drool over more frames from this jaw dropping moment

so the one thing about this that absolutely wallops me is just how quickly rogneto's dance escalates into. well. more than just a dance (you know if i were there i'd be fucking hooting and hollering until my lungs burst. GET YOUR OLD MAN GIRL.)

LIKE. it starts off soooo polite. magneto's hand is at rogue's waist. they're ballroom dancing, with the hands in the usual positions. VERY RESPECTFUL. they even do a lil spin!

uh. but then they--

THEN THEY--

OLD MAN WHERE IS YOUR TONGUE GOING--

for real though I'm kind in love with?? how rogue seems to take the lead in this entire sequence?? she's the one that invites magneto to dance. she offers her hand to him first (much in the same way that happens in episode 2). he follows her as they rise further into the air and acts every bit the gentleman until she encourages him to take it further. and then of course when he sees the green light the shirt buttons come undone, he's pulling out allllllllllllll the moves he's probably thought about for years now.

anyways. I'm so normal over this scene. thank you x-men '97 for blessing me with a new fave comfort ship and media.

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Who would have ever expected X-Men 97 to not only remember Rogneto existed in the early 90s but also provide us a great partial summary of their history and relationship dynamics!

But unfortunately it brought back those same ill-informed anti-Rogneto talking points that are based on strategic use of misinformation and lies.

There's a lot of bad faith arguments and false equivalencies about the age gap and the dynamics of the relationship in general.

Age gap relationships are not inherently evil. They, also, are not always related to unbalanced power dynamics.

An unbalanced power dynamic is someone who's wealth/social status/knowledge/connections aka "power" is considered higher than another person. We all have versions of this in everyday life: family, work, school, and within recreational groups like sports.

Weaponizing unbalanced power dynamics is to control someone with that very power difference. This can manifest in different ways such as disrupting family/friend relationships, financial stability/security, professional/academic achievements, etc that get in the way of controlling their targets.

Grooming also comes into play with power dynamics but it's not mutually exclusive.

Traditionally, grooming is influencing/changing another person's behavior, sense of self worth, and personality to fit the groomers ideal without any regard to the person in question. Like power dynamics, grooming is most associated with age gaps but again the two are not mutually exclusive.

A few basic examples would be:

-Choosing someone emotionally and/or mentally vulnerable to make them reliant on the groomer for love, affection, affirmation, money, self-worth. It's similar to Cult recruitment.

-Isolating that person from meaningful relationships with friends and family or not allowing those relationships to happen without the groomer being there to monitor it and lessen the value of it.

-Creating a sense of false intimacy that makes the victim associate emotional and physical love with what the groomer trains them to feel. Breaking down the victim's own concept of love and sex. Devaluing the victim to make them feel they can never be loved as much as they are now by the groomer.

Of course unbalanced power dynamics and grooming are multi-layered and complex social issues with a various examples that go far beyond the basic things we know as the general public. But we still know enough to know better to use them for Internet arguments and ship wars.

Or we should know better. Clearly, not everyone does. Either due to personal ignorance and a failing of their abilities of comprehension or worse, a purposeful misuse of information to create a false sense of personal moral superiority than is the shielded by activism.

These arguments are in incredibly bad taste because it takes real world social issues and makes them into janky fandom talking points for ship wars. I implore you to read the studies and accounts by those who were affected before you start sprouting nonsense on Al Gore's Internet.

Then go touch grass. PLEASE.

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I am still not over the fact that Magneto immobilized both Rogue and Gambit to stop them from doing something stupid and then sheltered them with his last power.

Because he knows Rogue would jump into the pits of hell after him and Gambit would follow her every time.

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