Current Pairings
- Clown X Albino
- Clown X Hypo
- Banana X Pied
- Calico/Black Pastel YB X YB
- Goldblush Mojave X Pastel
- Super Pastel Spider X Pastel Lesser
- RDR Lesser X Hypo Pastel
- Black Pastel YB X Pastel Fire
- Black Pastel YB X Hypo Pinstripe Mojave
- Pastel Super Vanilla X YB Poss Fire
- Mojave Het Hypo X Hypo Mojave
- Hypo Pastel Cinnamon X Hypo
Obviously not every single girl will end up going for us but there are so many exciting things that can come from these pairings!!!
i thought spider was bad? why are you breeding that gene?
@the-coolkids Spider is not “bad”, but the tumblr crazies will tell you differently. When I see statements like this I just realize there are a lot of individuals who haven’t taken the time to do their own research. (BTW, there are dozens of morphs across many species that can potentially have issues of some sort.)
Reputable breeders will not breed, let alone raise up, any animal who has defects severe enough to not be able to thrive on its own. Of our 45 ball pythons, only 4 are spider combos. Those 4 spider combos have very very minimal “wobble” only presenting itself when in stressful situations. They eat, shed, and defecate just like any other snake.
If we are talking just about ball pythons, then other genes such as spotnose, champagne, cinnamon, black pastel, and caramel albino, super lesser/butter would also be “bad” because of the issues sometimes associated with them. Fatal combos, potential for neuro issues, duck billing, bug eyes, kinking, etc. These things can also happen to ANY animal. It happens.
As far as why we are breeding it, we just like it! I love what spider does in combos and on its own. It comes down to breeding what you like and keeping your passion for it, I just happen to like a little bit of everything, including working with the spider gene.
I typically stay quiet on things like this, but I think it’s more than a little offensive to call someone who disagrees with you crazy just because you like a morph they may have very valid reasons to dislike.
The debate on whether certain genes or gene combos should be exploited in ball pythons (or any species) is a valid one and must take into account quality of life for the animals involved. There is yet no proof that breeding spiders with minimal wobble will always result in animals that are the same, and not every spider can have a decent quality of life as many of them are unable to eat or move well due to their degree of wobble and thus fail to thrive. The same goes for the other morphs known to produce such birth defects, whether physical or neurological. To call someone who raises the valid concern regarding using these animals in a breeding program crazy is ridiculous.
It’s fine to like pretty morphs and even more fine to want to defend the morph you prefer, but honesty, integrity, and transparency is the way to go here, not to put down those who disagree with you.
Most of the Tumblr “crazies” (yes I will still call them that) earn that name by having a million and one opinions for things they have no first hand knowledge about. It isn’t because they have differing opinions, but rather because they have uneducated ones. You are correct, some animals are hatched with more issues than others, but responsible breeders will assess each animal and it’s ability to thrive on its own. Those who are deemed unable to have a good quality of life are either humanely euthanized or adopted out to pet only homes with full disclosure, depending on severity. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. The fact that I am willing to make a hard decision to stop animals from suffering is proof enough that we put the animals and their health as our main priority.
If you feel that the people in question are uneducated then you should say that instead of “crazy.”
I have mixed feelings about the spider gene, but Ofelves’ points are absolutely valid, especially given that you have admitted here to producing animals that are so Ill that they have to be put down.
Honestly, you don’t get points for making the “hard choice” to euthanize when you deliberately breed animals knowing that this might well be result.
Crazy isn’t an offensive term, just happened to be the word that came to mind and my fellow veteran reptiblrs know the type I am referring to. We have NOT produced animals that had to be put down because of birth defects, but it does happen. There is ALWAYS a possibility of a defect, no matter what species is being bred. In your opinion, if there just so happens to be an animal that hatches that is severely kinked and fused together so that feeding/movement/bowel movements are not physically possible, which happens at random, I should let it slowly perish instead of humanely culling? No animals suffer at my expense. Yes, that is putting the animal and it’s needs first.
I mean honestly, this whole conversation is gross as shit. Not even about whether or not breeding spiders is ethical, but your entire attitude about the whole thing and towards other people is absolutely disgusting.
You’re actively putting down other people that don’t agree with you, by calling them names and dismissing VALID POINTS AND CONCERNS because they’re not “reptiblr veterans”. Talk about condescending and snooty as shit. Good way to alienate everybody.
Completely and justifiably unfollowed.
I really don’t care if you unfollow me. I just want people to educate themselves on the issue and then we can have a nice little debate. Everyone on Tumblr seems to get their panties in a twist over the tiniest little thing. I did not see any actual concerns raised, just pointing fingers at myself and other breeders for things that don’t actually happen. If you interpret what I am saying as being condescending, you are the one coming to that conclusin, that is not my intent with these responses. I don’t think I’m alienating anyone, just trying to share the other side of the story.
Calling people crazy is not sharing the other side of the story. Saying everyone gets their panties in a twist over the smallest thing is not opening anything up for debate. Saying nobody is raising valid concerns is neither sharing a different side or opening anything up for friendly debate either. Being snooty in saying “reptiblr veterans” is not welcoming anybody to a healthy discussion on anything.
If you want to breed spiders and act like there’s no downside, that’s totally within your rights. They are your snakes, it’s your decision, and that’s fine. But don’t act like you’re sitting here opening things up for any kind of discussion, because you’re not.
This is so gross. Please do not support breeders who willingly breed snakes with the wobble. Take your business to a responsible breeder.
There are entire studies about how the spider gene negatively affects an animal’s life? There is plenty of proof. Do not breed animals with neurological issues.
You will be hard pressed to find very many breeders who are as responsible as we are. They just don’t share the details of what happens. We like to be as transparent as possible. If you feel that you don’t want to purchase animals from us, that is fine, won’t hurt our feelings any. Have a nice day. :)
Finding reputable breeders who do not support the breeding of animals with neurological issues are not as hard to find as people make them out to be. Especially with the newest generation of breeders starting to actively condemn the spread of this gene.
Snakes are not bred solely for aesthics (which you are against but own morphs and hybrids…) but also for temperment, feeding response, and overall health. Spider is not the only gene that has been linked to issues in ball pythons. The same issues can also be observed in wild type animals.
I just want to back up mkmorphs for a second because this dude is doing things that have always been done with captive breeding, and is doing what is right by the animals. Just because teenage girls on tumblr THINK IN THEIR LITTLE MINDS that something is wrong, does NOT make it so. Furthermore, none of these people responding are actual breeders or even remotely WORK with snakes. These are random snake photo reblog tumblrs and angry kids on the internet who “heard a thing, therefore it MUST be true!!”
Spiderballs are one of the most VERSATILE morphs out there. Spider bees, spider axanthics, spider glows, there are so MANY variations of the spider gene, if you actually think in your little minds you’re going to stop people from breeding these snakes, snakes which are being born perfectly HEALTHY, because you read something ONLINE, you can basically piss off and yes, you are crazy. If people cant handle hearing the goddamn word CRAZY these days you need to get off the goddamn internet too, crawl into a basement and bar yourself in because the world is to soft and pathetic these days if people are sobbing over the word “crazy.”
MKmorphs IS a reputable breeder, and pointlessly slandering a business is not only illegal in all 50 united states, but illegal in hundreds of countries worldwide as well.
Hi, yes. This will be my last response to this thing. I want to point out that I’ve been working with reptiles for about seven years now? I also work directly with a rescue that sees all sorts of animals including ball pythons. Also, the majority of reptiblr are not teenagers nor do they “just post cute snake pictures”, as you claim. Being a girl has nothing to do with it either.
And the point is, we ARE trying to stop the breeding of spider morphs. That’s the entire point of the discussion. I don’t understand the excuse, “well, everyone else is doing it, so I’m going to as well!!” That doesn’t make it right. Breeding an animal with neurological problems because they look pretty to us is not okay. Period.
There are studies MADE BY HERPETOLOGISTS that suggest that the morph affects the quality of life. Just because a breeder says something is good does not make it so.
kindly get over yourself. you are nothing more than a reblog blog for children.
just because ANYTHING doesnt please you wont stop it or make it wrong.
Or should we talk about neurological problems in dogs because of breeding? I have to say thats a FAR MORE important subject seeing as how dogs are more common and are in 1/3 households across the nation. But yanno, breeding snakes that comes with a small percentage of a neurological RISK but DOESNT ALWAYS HAPPEN, NOR EVEN A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME HAPPEN-- is so very VERY wrong. yes, shut the hell up.