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corpus vile

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ann. way too attached to certain fictional characters. also draw sometimes. t cells. japan. books. films. currently marvel/dc, star wars and the mandalorian. "this is the way"
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that helicopter scene from civil war with my heart will go on as music

so i saw something like this almost two years ago but i couldn’t find it again when i wanted to show it to a friend so i made it myself.

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No hate or anything. I kinda get your point with the make-up, but it's really not the characters in-universe decision to wear make-up. It's the directors. Of course Carol could wear make-up if she wanted to. But it doesn't fit her character in that situation. We saw her partying in the bar before she became Vers and she wasn't wearing much make up (If any). And now is literally the apocalypse and she decides to put on evening make-up?! She is practical and doesn't give a damn about this.

The Make Up Polemic

I know I know, and if the context in Endgame gives no proper environment to that, I totally agree like 100% with you. My point is, we still don’t know the context in Endgame.If the heroes got to be there for one entire year, researching, practicing and resting, it would be okay for Carol (and any other female character in the movie) to wear some makeup, they also have the right to do that. A woman should have the right to wear party outfits when partying, war outfits in a war and makeup when she wants to, I know.

Believe me, I’m suuuuper feminist, I was even insulted by others here on this hellsite for being too much feminist.

So, if they’re chilling in Endgame, researching, training and having breaks, I think it’s okay for Carol to wear makeup. We not seeing Carol wear makeup in her movie doesn’t mean she doesn’t like that. Also, being practical doesn’t mean a girl (or a guy) won’t wear makeup or something different (more fancy etc) once in a while. In this sense, it would be completely ridiculous to see Carol full of makeup and sexy outfits to go fighting in combat. In her movie (I LOVED IT AND I WON’T CHANGE MY MIND :3) we only see her fighting, training and in tense moments and the flashback bar moment is just one moment, we can’t define that much, and it’s a very casual moment.

BY THE OTHER HAND

If the context in Endgame shows itself as conflicting from beginning to ending, without a time gap enough for the characters to train, work and take breaks (have time for themselves), then I agree with you ABSOLUTELY!

We also should consider Kevin Feige and the other main producers and directors do take part in meetings and important decisions that will affect other Marvel movies (Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Guardians of the Galaxy) so they will have congruence with the central ones (Avengers, Civil War). In other words, I believe the Captain Marvel we saw in her movie first was “accepted” by the main producers (and it had the directors involved, at least in opinions) before making it to the final product.

ALSO

Just like in the comics, we have this phase in which Carol Danvers REDISCOVERS her humanity. We see in her movie how Carol is walking and acting like a typical Kree soldier (not a woman, not a man, but an arrogant, a bit robot like, Kree soldier). When she sees the pictures she had with her friends, we can see she was always sunny, always trying new clothes, outfits and accessories, so I really wouldn’t complain about Carol wearing makeup and stuff because she likes it (or even to give it a try? I don’t know?).

WHAT I AGREE WITH YOU AND I WOULD HATE IF IT HAPPENED

  • Carol wearing makeup and non practical clothes during the entire Endgame
  • Carol wearing makeup and non practical clothes during battle scenes or tense combat like moments
  • Carol’s personality towards clothing changing without any specific explanation or approach
  • Carol’s sexualization, sexy costumes, skirts or armors showing her butt, etc or breast armors (that make no sense anatomically).

THE TOMBOY STEREOTYPE RULE I HATE

Movies tend to have this crazy stupid sexism thing that strong women have to be “masculine” or “tomboy” like. As if lesbians had to look tomboy or masculine or as if in order to become strong a woman has to abandon her feminine traits. I REALLY HATE THAT SHIT. I DO. AND THAT IS SO PRESENT IN SO MANY MOVIES. If that doesn’t help, women are put in combat, but they are either a monster/ugly/crazy or extremely sexualized (Wonder Woman with her sexy armor and one of the villains, Doctor Poison).

We rarely get to see a woman who is strong, clever, who still gets to keep her “feminine” traits and is not sexualized. Not that not having “feminine” traits is good or bad (just look at me, lol, a lot of things about me don’t correspond to my gender and stupid social values), what I’m talking about is the “sacrificing femininity for power or being sexualized, choose one” shit. I believe a woman (and a man, duh XD) have the right to wear what they want to ANY occasion. Like, Carol has the right to wear a combat armor, jeans, dresses, makeup, ANYTHING, as long as it makes sense, as long as she wants it.

When Marvel shows Carol Danvers can be strong as heck, smart, independent AND STILL WEAR MAKE UP, THAT IS A VERY GOOD MOVE.

Why is it a good move?

  • Breaks the tomboy to be strong stereotype
  • Shows Carol Danvers has LAYERS
  • Shows a woman doesn’t have to be summarized into only one thing (charming, powerful, practical…)
  • Reminds us that Carol is a woman like any other woman, she can wear makeup, and not wear it.
  • Reminds that a woman can be strong and still care about her “feminine” side. (I know…I…I don’t agree with gender theory, but considering the society, that shit still exists, I know.)
  • Shows us more than just one face of the character. We saw alien Carol, we saw practical Carol, we saw combat Carol, so why not see a Carol that also likes makeup?
  • The makeup isn’t even heavy, it’s basically…lipstick? That is good, it shows how she’s practical EVEN IN HER MAKEUP CHOICES, think about it.

How would it be BAD?

  • Carol with jeans and no make up stops existing.
  • Endgame didn’t give us a logic context so Carol would be wearing makeup, in other words, it was a combat or training moment and wearing makeup wouldn’t make any sense.
  • Carol’s personality changes without a proper approach.

This is my point.

If I agree 100% with you or not depends on the CONTEXT Endgame will give us. I am very feminist, I’ve been through a lot of prejudice myself and because of social angst I’ve even rejected many aspects of what “defines” my gender in many ways, and only now I’m starting to rediscover them, so I sort of identify with what could be happening to Carol.

Anyway, we’re on the same side. I’m just saying my point because I think Carol was very well built so far so we do have to think feminist carefully, because, me as an example, I get worked up really easily when it’s about sexist, and before I got mad about the Carol wearing makeup, I started to think and I was like “It is not bad if there is a proper context…” and “but it could be bad if Endgame doesn’t offer context…”.

That’s it basically, but just between us, I LOVE CAROL WITH THAT JEANS AND NO MAKEUP, IT’S LITERALLY ME, OKAY? :3

And also, you coming to my blog to send this ask, IT MADE MY DAY!!!Why? Because I know there are other feminists out there, fighting to change this sexist, stupid world, and I am with you in every aspect! It makes me really happy you are critic and that more people out there are critic as well! I love it, I need it, I support it!!

I LOVE CAROL IN BOTH WAYS, SHE’S EVERYTHING FJKDSHFKJDSHAS BUT I DO PREFER HER WITHOUT MAKEUP SHE REMINDS ME OF MYSELF!

Nonny, please give me feedback! I’m curious to talk to you! And I love you!!! We’re both fannsss and feminist buddiessss :3

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Wait, is this…? I had never noticed this

realisation of Steve not needing his help anymore

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werewarg

was this really necessary

It’s also Bucky being more than a little upset that they turned his gentle, harmless friend—who Bucky wanted to PROTECT from the horrors of war—into a fighting machine.

was that really necessary

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it’s also Bucky realizing that he can no longer protect his best friend no matter how hard he tries. he’s utterly helpless now, even after the war is over. they’ll always be wanting steve to fight this or that, and bucky won’t be able to do a darn thing to protect him.

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It’s also Bucky taking the 5 seconds he has of Steve not paying attention to him so he can allow himself to process all these emotions without worrying Steve. If you watch Bucky through the movies, you’ll notice he always makes sure to look like he’s 100% fine if other people are looking at him. Fighting with Steve, but smiling at their dates. Recently tortured, but walking confidently by Steve’s side. Basically a mess, but all “Let’s hear it for Captain America!” It’s a pattern, really. Even in the flashback in CATWS, you can see he looks a lot less confident when Steve isn’t looking at him than when Steve is.

Also, Seb has mentioned that researching WW2, what left the deepest impression was how quickly everybody dies. You get attached to someone only to watch their heads being blown up in front of you the next day. I’m sure this influenced how he chose to act this scene. Because you can bet by the time this scene takes place, Bucky has seen many people - hell, maybe even friends - die, and recently, he’s had to see his whole unit be killed or captured by HYDRA. This certainly plays a role here. It’s not just a general sense of “I can’t protect Steve anymore,” it’s more like “I don’t know if Steve will live till next week.” It’s very real, very immediate. It’s a concrete prediction more than a vague fear. And if Steve’s survives, there’s still the fact Bucky knows what’s like to be changed by war, and Steve will be changed by it, which Bucky certainly hates. Either way, he loses the Steve he knew, even more than he’s already lost, with the whole “Steve Rogers is suddenly a super soldier” deal.

I’d say this scene is wartime Bucky in a nutshell. He handles the entire crowd and this whole Captain America propaganda thing without hesitation, he smiles at Steve and makes sure Steve enjoys the moment instead of pulling some “I did my duty” bullshit, and only then he allows himself to be overwhelmed by the fear that comes with being able to think 48923740 worst case scenarios in two seconds. If we can trust interviews with cast and crew, this eventually becomes his role in the war, basically - he thinks fast and does his job protecting Captain America and the missions, he takes care of Steve on a personal level by shielding him from the worst of the war as much as he can, and only then, if there’s time and Steve isn’t looking, he thinks about how the war is affecting him.

But anyway, overall, this scene is about overwhelming loss of everything Bucky knows, as well as an attempt to hide this as well as he can. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that in the 4th and 5th gifs, Seb looks a lot like comics!Bucky does when he says goodbye to his younger sister, thinking he’ll never see her again and almost breaking down in tears, but unwilling to show her he’s scared. For your reference:

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Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)

Ok so heres my take: look at his face from the text-less gif on, thats…slightly more upset than anyone should be at a girl noticing your friend and not you.

Shame and self-blaming are incredibly common parts of PTSD, and you can just imagine how Bucky felt getting captured, and after everything he went through (unlike the other Howling Commandos you see all drinking together while hes isolating himself), he’s probably blaming himself for not being smart enough, strong enough, quick enough etc.

And who saves him? His tiny little friend, the one with the huge heart, but the one that always got his ass kicked and needed Bucky to come to his rescue. Now hes this huge super soldier saving him.

I think “im turning into you” doesn’t mean “usually im the hot one and girls dont notice ur skinny ass”, i think it quite literally means, sure,  he’s got a big heart, buuut hopefully his big tough bff is around or hes going to get his ass handed to him.

@bloodyneptune I noticed in retrospect that Bucky is not totally okay at any point after Zola first tortured him. Here he is, as you say, drinking by himself in the corner, not with the other guys. He’s not even wearing his uniform tie. I think you’re right that his self confidence was shaken by his experience as a POW. For instance, I think in the train, later they were going after Bucky’s torturer on that mission. He ran out of bullets and he was clearly sick with fear right before Steve tossed him the new gun. I think he was under a lot of strain trying to hold it together in those moments. Bucky saying he had them on the ropes, was trying to reassure himself. Then he falls off the train and wakes up to Dr. Zola standing over him again, and his life becomes a nightmare of continuous physical and mental abuse from then on. Poor Bucky.

@ blueeyeslaughingintherain  Oh man, whats amazing about that (I essayed a whole thing the other day because Im batshit like that) is that Bucky has his own entire storyline going on that you only see through his expressions.

Like, instead of taking up the time to have him talk about it, they just let Seb act it out along side and in the main plot. Like, that small look of total disrepair after “lets hear it for Captain America” which is clearly a victory scene, he’s got his own side story going on. The awesome montage of the Howling Commandos being badass and fun, his little sniper bit? Tucked right between fun, and Steve jovially saluting and back to the kickassery, he looks a lot like the Winter Solder; dead eyed and focusing on the mission, loading another bullet to put in another head.

I mean, you can seen he’s repeating his name and number over and over when Steve finds him, he was clearly already in the process of brainwashing. You’re taught to repeat those things when you’re being interrogated, not experimented on. The best explanation is that he’s trying to keep a hold of his identity. So really, the Bucky we see after he’s rescued is one that already got his toes wet in the Winter Soldier project.

Even when he says he wont follow Captain America, just that ‘little guy from Brooklyn”, I think you can interpret that differently too. The last time he remembers being the big guy, the guy in control, the guy that wasn’t fucked up and was needed to protect someone was with pre-serum Steve. He’ll follow that guy back into the one place he does not want to do because thats whats going to make him feel like he’s tough enough to do it again.

I contend that he held out until they told him Steve ‘died’. He was already going through PTSD, already thinking he was weak and self-blaming for getting himself caught and nearly brainwashed the first time, his last hope had to be “of course Steve will come again, just hold out till then”. If his self confidence and sense of being able to fight was already in pieces, it must have been sort of easy once he knew nobody was actually coming to save him.

A+ analysis It’s interesting that the movie definitely doesn’t spoon feed the story to us. But it’s there all the time. Bucky’s not in First Avenger much and hasn’t got many lines but watching it after WS and CW, wow I saw so much more going on with Sergeant Barnes. I agree that the name, rank and serial number thing showed he repeated it until he put himself into a trance or dissociative state. Then he asked if it hurt when they experimented on Steve to make him a super soldier. Not something I’d think to ask necessarily- does it reflect on the fact that they were already “conditioning” Bucky? Then there’s a great post someone did about Bucky’s and Zola’s expressions when they ran into each other with Red Skull and Cap. I reblogged it a while ago and can find and link you if you want, but the basic idea was Bucky is terrified of Zola and looks right at him, not Red Skull, while Zola stares at Bucky like he’s checking the effects of his experiments, like a scientist looking at a lab specimen. That’s a great example you gave of Bucky’s grim expression when sniping and right after. There’s a wealth of foreshadowing in that first movie and a lot of it is through Sebastian’s acting.

Uggh I know right?? Theres no way they could have fit in scenes of Bucky talking about what he’s going through and keep within the time frame and pacing, really. I think its totally fascinating that instead of just cutting the whole thing, they just let him go through his own plot right along side the main one.

And you don’t really notice unless you’re specifically paying attention to Bucky, because so many of his scenes after he’s captured are within fun, kickass, or silly moments like the Peggy/Steve scene. In the middle of the fun and joking, he’s acting like the mood and tone of the scenes are completely contrary to what’s being presented by everyone elses lines, actions and the way the music and scenes play out.

Actually, I hadn’t considered how oddly out of place “did it hurt” was. I think it would be a question that came long after “what the mother fuck”, “no but what” and “you need to explain this right the hell now because what the everloving shit is happening”.

But duuuude, what they did to him was basically a Hybrid ripoff of the super soldier project, “did it hurt” and “is it permanent” just took on some terrifyingly upsetting alternative meanings. Especially when we know Bucky gets those questions answered.

See what I mean?? They slip in this entirely separate narrative in making it seem like jokes and fun moments, and you almost would miss it if it weren’t for Sebs supernatural acting abilities. It just blows my mind that this shits in Captain America movies.

Have you read about the sounds/music in Winter Soldier? I’ll find it, that shit blew my everloving mind.

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