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The Sorting Hat Chats

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a personality taxonomy by Inky and Kaden - You can also find us at sortinghatchats.wordpress.com

More a Haunting than a History - Version 2.0!!

an (updated!) interactive fiction game from E. Jade Lomax (ink-splotch / dirgewithoutmusic), the writer who brought you BeanstalkSecond Star to the Left podcast, and Stay?. "Return to your sleepy, strange little hometown after years away. Explore your old haunts, reconnect with old friends and new, and dig into the mysteries that rise up in the town like mist. It's a story about leaving home and coming home; about life after death-- in more ways than one. This choose-your-own-adventure game lets you explore who you used to be so that you can decide who you want to be."

More a Haunting than a History is my second IF (interactive fiction) game, a story about returning to your childhood small town and finding both it and yourself different than you left them.

Version 2.0 is cleaner, stronger, with new content and a trophy system! If you've already explored MAHTAH, dive back in to see what's new to find, experience, or break-- if you haven't given MAHTAH a chance yet, I'd love it if you gave the new & improved version a try!

PLAY IT HERE:

In version 2.0, I made three main changes, as well as various bug fixes (thanks everyone who wrote me about bugs!):

  1. Updated the dialogue system to make for smoother, less awkward conversations-- dialogue being the main gameplay mechanism!
  2. Streamlined the dreams & climax/river scene systems to improve the narrative experience (ensure certain backstory content got seen/emphasized/excluded as relevant)
  3. Introduced a trophy system (more details on the why of this under the cut)

MAHTAH was both a blast and a slog to write, just like Stay? was a rush -- I'd love to hear your thoughts, feelings, and experiences as I start chipping away at my next IF project.

Anonymous asked:

Gosh Darn it! The test keeps saying I'm a snake sec. Ok I could see that and that makes me feel good... if it wasn't for my mother, who i believe is a snake sec and she drives me nuts. She's passive aggressive, avoids confrontation, uses guilt trips. She's like a low key Emily Gilmore. Thinks she's being clever and sneaky about it too, but i can see thru it. She uses neutral with me often i think bc she feels that is safest with me. Can I be a snake and still be annoyed by a snake?

I'd actually say that annoyance is an emotion that's more likely to be directed at someone who's a house match. Because if someone is like you but or really bad at it, or Immature or Exploded or Burnt (or conversely UnBurnt) and not using their powers for good... then your reaction is going to be more like UGH why have you got to be doing it like THAT??? you should be doing it like THIS.

Bad behavior by other sortings is more likely to inspire anger, or bafflement. That general sense of I do not get you, what on earth are you doing?

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Also fun fact: Emily Gilmore is a Snake Sec but so is her daughter Lorelei, who can also see through her mother & is frustrated with her for what and how she uses her secondary ;)

tingleverse lore: tingle types

recent post on the four tingler types has got buds talkin about TINGLEVERSE LORE so i thought it would be nice time to talk on the ways of dinosaur, unicorn, bigfoot and living object, since there are some new buckaroos who are just jumpin in the tingleverse deep end OK HERE GOES

four tingle types is not something chuck just now made up it has been that way since beginning. anyway theres several layers of reality in infinite stack and the EROTIC TINGLEVERSE is a group of CLOSE layers (outside these layers is THE VOID but we dont need to talk on right now)

the HORROR TINGLEVERSE is part of the same stack but farther away. it is a separate group of layers with a few similarities to erotica layers (mainly dealing with THE VOID and the consequences of weaving timeline layers) but otherwise a different space within tingleverse stack

anyway back to the erotic layer. the thing that makes these layers unique from our own is the incursion of four sentient species which are the ones listed. i will now go over what each group encompasses because it might not be what you think

first of all, DINOSAURS is not just reptilian creatures it also means ancient mammals (sabertooths and mammoths) and even prehistoric squids and sharks

next is BIGFEET. in the tingleverse bigfeet are a broad species that also includes mothmen and jersey devils and some other cryptids. this is discussed in the the books they are featured in in more detail

UNICORNS are next. unicorns are pretty much just unicorns what the heck can i say. of all the creatures inhabiting the tingleverse they have the least variety but the most beautiful mane and i think thats worth something

last is LIVING OBJECT which a lot of buds seemed confused by in quiz. in the tingleverse, living abstracts concepts fall into the living object category because once they physically manifest they BECOME a living object. so thoughts and ideas that are sentient are living objects

LIVING OBJECT is the most broad group because it can encompass ALL THINGS. it is also the most existential of the species as i think some buckaroos discovered on the TINGLE TYPE test.

i suppose i should put link to the test here also if you do not believe this has been master plan for nearly a decade of worldbuilding rules here is an old shirt with the tingle types on it. one of first shirts chuck ever made

alright buds hope you enjoyed this tingleverse lesson. LOVE IS REAL

I love numbers! Drop your Primary sorting in the poll below.

Not familiar with sortinghatchats? Primary = your WHY. Secondary = your HOW. Take the quiz below— it will walk you through the system, guess your sorting (primary & secondary), and let you argue with it til you find one that sounds right!

(I’ll make another poll for secondaries)

Anonymous asked:

How do I learn about SHC? I think I understand the basics but there's a lot I still don't understand.

Start with the quiz. It's the best version of itself that it could be, and it's a great introduction to the concepts that this person analysis system is interested in.

Then I would read my explanation of SHC. I worked very hard to get it under 2,000 words while also defining all the terms that are used in the character analyses people write.

After that... I set out to create the tools that I wished I had while I was learning the system, and I'm pretty proud that now they exist.

There is a master list of all the books/movies/shows/games/plays people have sorted. (A-L & M-Z.) I recommend reading about a property that you like, both because that's a good way of getting familiar with the system, and because that's how you'll find someone who's writing style works for you. Then you can follow their blog/read the other things they've got to say. It's nice to have lots of people explaining the same thing, because then you can find someone who you gel with.

If you have an idea of what your sorting is (or have narrowed it down to a few possibilities) then I recommend going through the master list of characters sorted into their Primary/Secondary, and the master list of real people (SortMe Submissions) that I have sorted into their Primary/Secondary. That way you can just overload yourself with examples or Bird Snakes (or whatever) and decide if that sounds like you.

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Inky and Kaden’s Sortings: A Masterpost Update [2022]

Because Tumblr burped and @sortinghatchats disappeared, Inky and Kaden have had to build it back up from scratch. That means my old post, from 2017, has a bunch of broken links now. But never fear! I’ve spent the past few years tracking down every last reblog on this site with an unusable ‘search’ function. 

Sortings by Inky and/or Kaden 

Marvel Cinematic Universe 

Guardians of the Galaxy  ——Peter Quill

DC Universe 

Books 

The Chronicles of Narnia  ——The Pevensies  ——Addressing their popular Sortings

Diana Wynne Jones ——Charmed Life  ——Conrad’s Fate

The Lord of the Rings  ——The Hobbits

The Tortall Universe  ——The Women  ——The Men

Inky’s novels 

TV series 

Friends  ——Phoebe

Teen Wolf (Parts 1-2) 

Web series & Web comics & Podcasts

Musicals 

Les Misérables ——Javert 

Wicked  ——Elphaba, Galinda 

Movies 

Disney Princesses  ——Tiana ——Moana  ——Mulan 

Animated series 

Sorting Goncharov (1973)

Now I’ve only just seen the movie, so I’m not 100% on these sortings yet, and if any long-time fans want to chime in, I’d love to hear your thoughts!

As a reminder, primary refers to a character’s motivations, and secondary refers to a character’s methods.

This sorting system was based on the Hogwarts houses, but we do not support JK Rowling’s bigotry here.

Goncharov: double lion (burned primary)

The tragedy of Goncharov is all about identity–specifically, the loss of identity. It’s about Goncharov losing touch with his internal compass: the mirror motif highlights this disconnect and confusion as he loses his identity to the violence of the film. The movie actually does a really good job showing the process of a lion primary burning.

His secondary, however, stays intact. Goncharov is loud–explosive, even. Even as he loses his internal sense of self, he continues acting out directly, projecting his internal dilemma outwards in a vain attempt to “solve” it through the direct action of violence. He deals with problems by breaking through them, repeatedly. He literally does not stop, for the entire four-hour run time–it isn’t until his death that he is finally still.

Andrey: bird/lion (bird model)

This boy is constantly stuck in his own head, philosophizing, trying to rationalize his feelings about Goncharov. He’s a bird. He likes being a bird. Bird makes sense. The world around him–not so much. He clings to his bird primary SO hard, he has trouble seeing that the world doesn’t always match up to the world he has in his head. He can’t incorporate his feelings about Goncharov into his model of the world–can’t understand Goncharov’s true motivations. In the end, that’s why he’s so blindsided by the Goncharov betrayal.

Now, Andrey’s bird primary is so loud that it’s tempting to put him in bird secondary, too. But for all his talk of books and philosophers, how do we actually see him solve his problems, when all the cards are down? He acts suddenly and decisively, stepping away from his book-learning and doubt, and steps into himself like he’s shedding a heavy, ill-fitting suit. I could see bird model for him, though.

Katya: snake/bird

Torn between her loyalty to Goncharov, her love for Sofia, and her own ambitions, Katya is a loud snake primary. She loves Goncharov, but she feels burdened by him and trapped in the life that they’ve agreed to live together. Throughout the film, her frustration with how trapped she feels in her own life brings her to Sofia, and she’s tempted to run off and join Sofiya’s whirl-wind of a life for the taste of freedom that Sofia gives her. However, her decision in the end to betray them both ultimately speaks to her decision to value herself over either of her (canon and implied) love interests.

As far as secondaries go, Katya is careful. She doesn’t run willy-nilly into things. She gathers her resources quietly. She makes plans. Unlike Andrey’s spur-of-the-moment betrayal, when she leaves Goncharov, it is the culmination of a whole film’s worth of quiet planning, all falling into place. The biggest tip-off, for me, is the gun. If you’re watching carefully, you can see that the gun she takes from Goncharov and slips into her purse during the night club scene is the same gun she uses in her final scene, much later.

Sofia: double snake

The last part of the Gonchandreysofitya love quadrangle/polycule, Sofia is a double snake: healthily selfish, sneaky, unrepentant, and driven so hard by her love of Katya. Katya is really her one blind spot.

Growing up in the orphanage, Sofia learned early to trick and steal and con for a living, and she seems entirely content to live like that, taking pride in her abilities as a con woman and a thief. It’s only for Katya that we see her let down her masks and show off her true, neutral, jaded self underneath all of her other layers.

Anonymous asked:

Hello Wisteria, I'm not sure if you've already made a post about this, but I'm having a bit of trouble differentiating between a Badger Secondary leveraging community to get things done and a Bird Secondary who happens to be an "I know a guy" Bird. How do you tell the difference between a Bird who collects people and a Badger who connects them?

Thank you very much!

A Badger secondary is like a net - a community of interconnected individuals that you can call on for back up, help, and power. An "I Know a Guy" Bird secondary is more like individual fish hooks - you know a lot of of people, you know what they can do, and know how to call on the right guy for the right job. If you're not sure if someone is a Badger or a very social Bird, one trick is to check if all the people they know seem to know *each other.*

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hey! i just discovered i'm a double bird, and my roommate and i started coming up with different kinds of birds to associate with different bird subtypes. so for example, parrot for "actor bird", crow for "collector bird", woodpecker for "rapidfire bird", and finch for "i-know-a-guy bird" (i relate to all of these, but i am SUPER i-know-a-guy bird) anyway, i wanted to tell someone about this because i think it's a really fun idea

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Oh I like that a LOT. The imagery is perfect. Be interesting to see if it works for the other secondary sub-categories...

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Ah, lovely!

Anonymous asked:

So I have just finished playing More a haunting than a history (which is delightful and I’m planning to do it again) and thus how would you sort the cast ?

Oh, I hadn't even done this exercise yet myself. Hm.

For those new to this game, @sortinghatchats is a personality typing system that I & @improbabledragon built out. It's defines two levels: primaries & secondaries.

One of the best ways to get to "know" the system is to sort yourself or a character using our interactive sortinghatchats quiz here: https://ejadelomax.itch.io/sortinghatchats -- it's more like a "chat" than a quiz, so please explore all the options it gives you!

PRIMARY: Morals, motivations, drives -- WHY does this character do what they do?

LION PRIMARY - Internal & Intuitive & Idealist - Lions trust themselves and listen to their instincts; they tend to care immensely about doing the right thing. A Lion’s watchword: Some things are just wrong, no matter what pretty words you use to excuse them.

BIRD PRIMARY - External & Decided & Idealist - A Bird avoiding a choice that they think is right, but that feels wrong, will feel immoral. Consistency & integrity are key.

BADGER PRIMARY - External & Intuitive & Loyalist - A Badger prioritizes the people who need them the most. Concrete & practical in their morality, the "white tower" thinking of idealists (Lion & Bird) can frustrate them.

SNAKE PRIMARY - Internal & Decided & Loyalist - A Snake prioritizes the people who they personally value the most.

Burned Primaries have lost their comfort in, faith in, or surety in their moral desires -- they may no longer pursue them, or think of them as idealistic or naive -- but the desire remains.

SECONDARY: Methods, means, designs -- HOW does this character do what they do?

LION SECONDARY - Solid & Inspirational & Improvisational - A Lion Secondary hates to misrepresent themself. Their directness and honesty can capture the respect or allegiance of comrades.

BIRD SECONDARY - Solid & Situational & Constructed - Birds collect things-- skills, knowledge, tools-- and excel in the situations where those things particularly apply.

BADGER SECONDARY - Fluid & Inspirational & Constructed - Badgers work. They don't give up or take the easy way. They fit the space they're in, the need they're meeting, and they just keep going.

SNAKE SECONDARY - Fluid & Situational & Improvisational - Snakes adapt. Flexible, fluid, and clever, they can wear any face without feeling untrue to themselves. As long as they know who they are at heart, what does the rest matter?

Burned Secondaries do not defer or default to any particular method; they use whatever is at hand, somewhat like a flexible Snake or Badger secondary. However, there is no joy or satisfaction in that indifference, and they tend to have a general lack of faith in their own abilities or in their right to the luxury of choosing between methods or taking their own preference or comfort into account.

(We don't mean to imply that WHY (primaries) matters more than the HOW (secondaries) -- that's just the ordering of the sorting. A "Badger/Lion" is a Badger Primary, Lion Secondary).

For MAHTAH, though... let's sort some kids!

Chris - Burned Lion Primary, but he looks like a Bird. He’s not happy enough though to be a true Bird. He’s disillusioned and exhausted. It’s important to him to be a “good person” but he doesn’t trust his own feelings to help guide him in what that should look like. Instead, he makes pro/con lists and tries to calculate cost and benefit.

That’s a fine way to make decisions, and satisfying to some— but not Chris. He’s just hollowing out his own chest trying to satisfy some need to be good enough. Maybe if he thinks about it long enough, he can do it right, he hopes.

Certain choices in the game will help you move Chris down a path to “unburning.”

For secondary... Badger. He just keeps showing up. When you need him, he's there. When anyone needs him, he's there-- quiet, helpful, exhausted.

Gwyn - Gwyn is either an Idealist (Lion or Bird) or a burned Snake Primary. While she's friendly and bright, and she does love her friends, she's got that "coldness" that you can get from a smiling Idealist or a burned Snake. She loves her friends, but that love has little to do with why or how she lives her life. She, as she will tell you, is willing and ready to leave and never look back, because it's something she needs.

To sift her out between an Idealist (Lion or Bird) and a burned Snake, we'll look at two things:

  1. How "okay" is she?
  2. What was she like before, in your memories? What has changed? What were her motivations back then?

If you read Gwyn as pretty okay-- healthy, happy, satisfied -- then Idealist is more likely. She's got a lot of space in her heart. I do read her as pretty well adjusted, but I think there’s room in the prose to see her as a lot more damaged. So I’d probably call her an Idealist primary, probably a Lion (she totally makes moral calls based on “vibe”)— but I wouldn’t argue with anyone who reads her as a burned Snake instead.

For secondary, she’s a Snake. A warm, wholesome, friendly Snake who shifts and adapts to help and comfort her friends. She doesn’t care what anyone thinks or assumes about her, based on her methods, except for the people who she thinks truly “know” her (ex. Chris, Bec). Plenty of folks think she’s silly or flighty and mostly she just thinks that’s funny. At the end of the day, she still gets what she wants.

Bec - The angriest Badger Primary. Lion Secondary. Also angry there.

Daisy - Daisy is gloriously unburned, whatever her sorting is. They and Tam are likely the healthiest, happiest kids here.

For secondary, I think Bird. Daisy excels in particular skill sets— food, fancy coffee making, knowing everyone in town— but also is one of the best NPCs for answering questions and describing the world. (This is why they’re my wife’s favorite). They know a lot of things, not all of them useful, and it gives them joy.

For primary, their community-oriented priorities and interests make me err towards Badger, but I think an argument could be made for the other sortings.

Tam -

Lion primary. Bird secondary. They're a straightforward young person. They go with their gut -- it's important to them that things feel right, and they're driven to go seek their truth in an intuitive, exploratory way.

That sense of exploration and discovery ties in as well with their secondary -- a magpie's Bird Secondary, with a constant need to seek and build knowledge and experiences. They fear a cage or a void more than anything; they seek (and find) wider horizons.

Original you - somewhat spoilery, but only I think in terms of "vibe." If I had to sort the younger version of the player character, I'd go with a Snake Primary / Lion Secondary (this is why they jammed with Bec so well) that burned hard.

If you want to play MAHTAH, you can do so (for free) in your browser here:

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Anonymous asked:

Hi! Love your quiz <3 why did you change the house names to mascots? Copyright issues?

JKR being a hateful terf bummed us out <3

OFFICIAL SORTINGHATCHATS QUIZ V2.0

Just uploaded a new version of the Official Sortinghatchats Quiz!

This new version includes new questions! Less bugs! A way to save your progress and come back later!

For those of you unfamiliar with our sortinghatchats system, we sort in two ways here:

Primaries: WHY you do what you do (morals, motivations, beliefs)

  • Lions are Idealist - Felt - Internal Primaries
  • Badgers are Loyalist - Felt - External Primaries
  • Birds are Idealist - Built - External Primaries
  • Snakes are Loyalist - Built - Internal Primaries

Secondaries: HOW you do what you do (methods, means, behaviors)

  • Lions are Solid - Improvisational - Inspirational Secondaries
  • Badgers are Fluid - Constructed - Inspirational Secondaries
  • Birds are Solid - Constructed - Situational Secondaries
  • Snakes are Fluid - Improvisational - Situational Secondaries

Neither your Primary or your Secondary is the more important sorting-- that's just the order we write them in (Primary/Secondary). Both WHY and HOW are important!

I lost my original source code for this quiz, so this involved rebuilding it from scratch! The sortinghatchats discord & my patient friends have been amazing in assisting me with balancing this quiz & also bug-testing it. I'd be thrilled if you checked it out!

I've been going through my own tumblr again, because that's what they are for, right? And I've found this old-ish shc entry (old in internet years at least). And it made me think that both snake and badger primaries have natural control mechanisms baked in, so that they do not loose themselves too much. For snakes it's self-care, which controls our need to give ourself to our people completely, and for badgers it's dehumanization, which controls the amount of people they feel responsible for.

What about lions and birds, do they have similar control mechanisms? Or are these only necessary for loyalists, who cannot fall back on something bigger when the people in front of them hurt or disappoint them?

Maybe for the idealists, for Lions and Birds, it’s not about when people hurt and disappoint them, but when their ideals do. As much as loyalists have, idealists have that risk of losing themselves and a need to protect against it.

A Bird’s ability to recalibrate, to reject a non functional system and build a new one?

For Lion… their ability to change course when their heart changes? Maybe? Or is it Burning that, when needed, protects them?

I think all of these — a Snake’s self care, a Badger’s dehumanizing, a Bird’s recalibration — could lead in their extreme to a burned primary. Interesting!

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When opening a package, my dad pulls out a set of keys to slice open the tape. When opening a package, I rip it open with my bare hands, despite being weaker than him.

If that doesn’t illustrate the difference between bird and lion secondary, I don’t know what does.

My bird secondary wife, holding a box cutter mournfully while I struggle to rip open a package with my bare hands: there’s a tool for that

My Sortinghatchats Houses: My Results

I did the Sortinghatchats quiz over on itch.io, https://ejadelomax.itch.io/sortinghatchats Your Primary House defines WHY you do things: your reasons, motivations, and drive. Your Secondary defines HOW: your methods, actions, and behaviors.

And these are my results: I’m a Slytherin Primary (Or possible Burned Hufflepuff Primary).

I care about those close to me, and I’d do almost anything for the people I consider my friends and family. I’m ambitious and I follow my own rules. I actually have a list of directions of how to react, act in and deal with certain situations. My empathy is actually rather low, so I learned my own brand of ‘empathy’ to make up for that, so I can be there for the people I care about. I can be selfish at times, or seem that way. My own desires are what drive me, a good portion of my desires though are for the people I care deeply about to be happy. I try to stick with the ones I care the most about. 

I’m a Griffindor Secondary

I have my own rules that I abide by, and I meet my problems head on, I try my best to be and can be a lot of the times direct and blunt to the point of hurting peoples feelings. I hate going by the rules or being limited, I don’t like being told what to do and I adore chaos. I tend to find myself in situations where theres discord or strife and I can get carried away. I have my own brand of integrity and I absolutely will stand up for what I believe in. I know how to face my fears.

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