Also on topic of Consent: whenever somebody says "Kids should have bodily autonomy!" some guy always is like "You are too unrealistic. What will you do when a kid is seeing the doctor and doesn't want to get a shot? Would you just let them refuse the shot?"
Yeah I probably would. You're straight up asking the wrong person if you want the nice normal answer here. Doctors and nurses forcibly doing (relatively routine) things to my body against my protests when I was a small kid fucked me up so bad that as an adult anything medical related is a huge trigger for me, I've had persistent intrusive thoughts and recurring nightmares about medical procedures, and I can't have even the most basic tests and health checks done on top of it.
I hate talking about it because I can't get comfortable calling it "trauma" and I don't have any other words that are useful, but it's made my life so much harder and really scary since if I start having a weird symptom, there's nothing I can move myself to do about it.
I figured out a loophole where going to a pharmacy instead of a doctor's office for vaccines reduces some of the stress, but I was still in stress and misery for days before I went to get my tetanus shot. The repulsion is so intense it feels like I literally don't have control over myself, it feels like I can't make appointments or plans about such things out of my own free will, and so every year I have guilt guilt guilt guilt guilt about how I should get the flu shot, and it does nothing but ineffectually hurt me.
Vaccines save lives and all that, but when it comes right down to it, I don't think it's actually a net benefit to public health to give any percentage of kids lifelong psychological scars so deep and painful they're almost completely barred from accessing health care as adults.
I know I'm not the only one, far from it.
Also it's probably actually small portion of kids that would still refuse the shot after having it sensitively and calmly explained why it's important, it might hurt a little but not a lot, it only takes two or three seconds, and being asked what would make them feel better about it or what could be done to make it better
A lot of nurses are demons that see that a kid is a little nervous and just go straight to fucking pinning them down and ignoring their screams of terror.
it's probably actually small portion of kids that would still refuse the shot after having it sensitively and calmly explained why it's important
YOU ARE CORRECT!
foster dad is a pediatrician and I worked in his clinic for a year! when the kiddos had shots scheduled, I was the person who would patiently explain it before they went in. and yes it makes a huge impact, no the kids don’t usually have a problem with it or start freaking out, and if they do, it’s mostly because of their parents. parents being impatient, parents manhandling and demanding, parents escalating the situation by attempting to impose their will upon the child rather than take their fears seriously.
i had a few different ways of explaining it. one of the most effective was The Big Bowl Of Bad Vegetables. ask the kid what their least favorite vegetable is and then make them think of how long and awful and unpleasant it would be to eat a whole bowl of it he size of some very large object in the room. “well a shot is like that. it kind of hurts because it’s like all the broccoli going in at once but that also means it’s over way faster. like less than 30 seconds. and then you don’t have to do it again for a whole year. I don’t know about you but I would take 30 seconds once a year over a bowl of broccoli the size of large object in view.”
if they’re still terrified, give them a hand to hold and a toy for buddy and tell them to chant “only 30 seconds” while looking away. literally cater to the terrified child. terrified children get hugs and kisses and comfort, not physical violence enacted upon their bodies as punishment for refusal to comply.
yes. kids have a right to understand and agree to what is going to happen to their own bodies that they live in. that would be true even if it was hard to provide and took an insane amount of effort and you had to bring the kid back over and over and over again to get the vaccine done. good doctors and nurses will absolutely refuse to vaccinate kids in a severe enough state of panic to require physical restraint to avoid the medical trauma. that is literally how you create adults afraid of doctors and medical treatment.
so yes. bodily autonomy for everyone is not option and it is especially not optional for kids undergoing medical treatment.