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~Eight Billion Different Ways~

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Lucas Wong
Xu Minghao
Eunwoo Cha
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some notes on how wayv speaks in mandarin

  • lucas has a really strong hong kong accent and mispronounces a lot of words. the grammar is all there, but the vocabulary isnโ€™t ๐Ÿ˜” but you still know what heโ€™s trying to say when he speaks. sometimes he slips into cantonese for a word or two without realizing
  • hendery has the second strongest accent, but his grammar and vocabulary are totally thereโ€ฆ c-fans call him wayvโ€™s literature class representative, makes a lotย of literary references and idioms when speaking. will frequently play up his accent for comedic effect tho
  • xiaojun speaks mandarin like a native, but this dude is still the hardest to translate/subtitle. he mumbles all the time, never enunciates clearly, and frequently starts and stops sentences weirdly ๐Ÿ™ƒ๐Ÿ™ƒ๐Ÿ™ƒ
  • yangyang has no taiwanese accent??ย 
  • winwin and kun both have no discernible accent. winwin also peppers his speech with a lot of idioms. kun is an excellent speaker and is very eloquent ๐Ÿ˜Œ truly leader material
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Anonymous asked:

Hello! Feel free to ignore this if you're tired of speaking about the MV, but I was wondering if it's okay for KPop groups to be using the 1001 nights stories as aesthetic inspiration for their MVs, like, isn't that what people find offensive? Using the culture as just an aesthetic? I know the stories aren't Islamic, so I'm speaking from a cultural view.

โ€œlong ago, during the time of the sassanid dynasty, in the peninsula of india and china were two kings who were brothers.โ€

this is the opening frame tale of shahrazad and shahriyar, the two main characters in a thousand and one nights. shahriyar is said to be the king of india and china. (x)

during the planning of the remake of aladdin, people were having conversations on who aladdinย โ€œbelongsโ€ to and who should be cast for the role: someone not only from the middle east per se but specifically from the levant (lebanon, syria, jordan, palestine) (so not even iraq or egypt like mena massoud who was eventually cast for the role), south asian, or chinese. because there is actually a history of aladdin, the character, beingย โ€œchinese,โ€ because in the original story in a thousand and one nights, aladdin takes place in china.

these are depictions of arabian nights. on the left, aladdin is on his way to the sultanโ€™s palace. on the right, aladdin and the princess badr al-budur. (also from the same article,ย โ€œwho was theย โ€˜real aladdin? from chinese to arab in 300 yearsโ€)

fromย โ€œwhoย โ€˜wrote aladdin? the forgotten syrian storytellerโ€:

The 1001 Nights has a pretty remarkable genealogy. Our oldest documentation of it is an Arabic papyrus from Egypt, reused as scrap with inscriptions dated 879 CE. There was an earlier Persian book called Hazฤr afsฤna (A Thousand Stories) that did not survive. But key elements of the frame story of Shahriyar and Shahrazad were already common in Pali and Sanskrit texts from ancient India, while another Arabic book called One Hundred and One Nights has an alternate version also found in a third-century Chinese Buddhist text of the Tripiแนญaka.

i mentioned in my previous ask that a thousand and one nights is one of the most prolific pieces of literature in the world. it is literally global literature that takes its shape from many transregional interpretations from all the wayย โ€œwestโ€ in pre-islamic arabia and sassanian persia all the way east into the qing dynastyย which had control over korea at a few points in its dynastic legacy.

my argument from the beginning of this conversation is that you cannot box these cultural narratives that literally bleed into each other and have such a rich history and genealogy, not in spite of, but because ofย the way orality functions in shaping these literary narratives.ย 

my point is that itโ€™s hard to definitively put the brakes on 1001 nights and say that people outside of the middle east or south asia donโ€™t have โ€œclaimโ€ to the story. iโ€™m not saying that kpopย canย appropriate it, but i think it depends on how itโ€™s being done. this is very similar to the point i make on my post about the โ€œappropriationโ€ of bruce lee in the kick it music video, who is a global figure in many ways to many people for many reasons. nct could have gone all out and appropriated bruce lee and a lot of the chinese elements they incorporated, but they incorporated those elements in a nonspecific way. likewise, in the case of this mv, things are so nonspecific, which, in turn, has allowed so many different people to make claims on the aesthetics of the mv. the aesthetics are reminiscent as west as spain all the wayย โ€œeast.โ€

there is also an element ofย โ€œcampโ€ that is involved in both this mv and misfit, that my good friend iman brought up, and i think itโ€™s a really important point to consider when you look at the way both were filmed and how the sets/outfits were configured. camp, according to iman, is meant to be a little over the top and a little playful, without being offensively done. think ostentatious, exaggerated, affected, theatrical and also playing with effeminate behavior (ie: think about that one scene where theyโ€™re playing with putting flowers in each otherโ€™s hair, which i just think is so interesting in this entire conversation)

the reason this music video is even more interesting is that itโ€™s not only theatrical and playful, but it derives is theatrics and playfulness from the way 1001 nights is theatrical and playful in and of itself. if you read 1001 nights, youโ€™ll understand what iโ€™m talking about. there are many performances in the story itself that lends themselves to absurdity, even though there are very complex and serious elements embedded throughout. for example, the very concept of genies in that story (and in pre-islamic/sassanian folklore) is meant to represent trickery and michief, which is the whole reason nct go with the trope, not simply for aesthetic purposes, but for what these concepts symbolize and give meaning to the actual song itself, which is meant to be fun, absurd, mischievous, and alluring.

i appreciate that youโ€™re not talking about an islamic perspective, but many people are conflating the two concepts (religion and culture) together, so it makes a difficult task to untangle and analyze this issue properly, so i think โ€œislamโ€ in this sense plays a really important conversation as far as โ€œaestheticsโ€ are concerned. so if iโ€™m going to be honest, those who participate in projecting an image of nct sitting in aย โ€œmosqueโ€ or misappropriating what the story of a thousand and one nightsย means to them (as an exclusively middle eastern/arab story), then they are fetishizing/orientalizing what islam/1001 nights seems to THEM. those who are conflating the religion with the elements from 1001 nights, are pointblank essentializing their view of islam and the story as an exotic static aesthetic through a reductive analysis of men wearing black robes circling fire (some derogatorily and offensively equating it to islamic mysticismโ€”they are literally using the word โ€œmysticismโ€ in a classic orientalist way and equating it to the fire scene that takes place in the mv. what the fuck lol), sitting onย โ€œeasternโ€ rugs in aย โ€œmosqueโ€ inย โ€œprayer,โ€ and being genies. if people choose to seeย โ€œislamโ€ orย โ€œmiddle eastern cultureโ€ through that imagery, that is their orientalist understanding of what islam and thisย โ€œcultureโ€ is, not what it actually is, and in fact does the harm people think the mv is doing

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Hi everyone!

For my final project in Anthropology, Iโ€™m doing research on the K-Pop fan community! As a part of my study, Iโ€™m conducting a general survey on experiences within it. Iโ€™m trying to get as many responses as I can right now, so please pass this along to others!

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ayakashiย โ‡ [masterlist]

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[!] AYAKASHI: POLL RESULTS

a big thank you to everyone who voted and responded to this poll, and have supported this series thus far! results, routes im writing/considering, and responses to some of your comments on the poll are under the cut

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if youโ€™re sad today, hereโ€™s cha eunwoo dancing with an iron man doll

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luxueun

^ this yโ€™all is what cute and wholesome looks like

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SuperM's First Reality Show to Air in September

The group SuperM (Super M) is presenting the reality program 'M Topia'.
According to multiple broadcasters, Wave and SM C&C launch Super M's new reality program 'M Topia' in September.
Super M's first reality entertainment is 'M Topia'.ย Super M's hidden and straightforward images will be captured through 'M Topia', and will be aired simultaneously on Wave and YouTube.
SuperM's 'M Topia' is scheduled to air on September 23.

http://m.joynews24.com/v/1288626

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