trial by combat is such a funny concept. if youre not guilty then beat my ass

If you're truly righteous God would have blessed you with some hands

Can you give any evidence to suggest that closeted/non-passing trans men do not experience the same systemic oppression as women? Specifically, can you cite research studies on health outcomes, or bodies of scholarship?

A closeted trans man is a trans man that is indistinguishably in every sense from a cis woman. He will be treated exactly as a cis woman. He is viewing the world differently than a cis woman - because he is a trans man. But misogynistic oppression is not measured in weather or not you Feel Like A Woman. It's measured by the concrete ways society treats people it thinks are women (or failed women, or deviant women, or -- etc you get the picture). If a closeted trans man is indistinguishable from a cis woman, and he experiences the external pressures a cis woman experiences, how do these pressures magically impact him less? I am forced to conclude that you are implying that misogyny is "water off a duck's back" to a trans man - as if hatred and oppression can only sink in if you allow it to or something. This is not true, and this is a mindset that only engages with direct, interpersonal harms. Systemic harms like housing inequity or medical discrimination cannot be shrugged off with a simple "it says more about them than it says about me" because woop: still houseless and starving, but optimistic I guess?

And what of the poorly-passing, or mid-transition trans men and our interactions with systems of oppression? Medical discrimination is one of the most comprehensive forms of systemic discrimination. When I go to the doctor's office, I have to jump through hoops of both transphobia and misogyny. It is already hard enough for people to get good reproductive care (abortion, pap smear, sexual health assessments) without being mistreated by biases professionals. I'm thinking about the physician that said "looks like you'll need to hit the gym" to my mom (a week after giving) - then he pinched her belly skin. Add to that the fact that few medical personnel are experienced with trans healthcare. Of those who have sat through continuing education on trans healthcare, fewer give a shit. The man with boobs and a hairy chest and a big clit and a high voice is not treated better than the (already poor) way cis women are assessed. This is, obviously, transphobia at work. But the transphobia is coming from a well of misogyny, from the disgust for the perversion of "pure womanhood" or whatever crock of shit transphobes and misogynists have collectively embraced. All of our medical care is tainted by the fact that people see us as failed women, inherently untrustworthy, disgusting and freakish, something to be laughed at. Incidentally, a lot of cis women experience misogyny that mirrors this transphobia, because many of the base assumptions about good and normal womanhood are the same.

No, trans men are not women. Yes we are experiencing transphobia. But yes also many of us are experiencing misogyny too. And I think people that aren't trans men should not be acting as authorities on what trans men are experiencing when they are not engaged professionally in gender studies, public health, or social sciences. No, the internet blogosphere is not professional engagement.

I don't know where you're getting "this implies trans women get male privilege when misgendered." Every trans man I know is crying the exact opposite. Misgendering is bad and wrong in every instance, and it is oppressive in every instance, full stop. Especially since most misgendering either A) frames someone as a uniquely dangerous deceiver who's been caught red handed or B) denies them the agency to live their life the way they wish, which at best has a profoundly negative psychological impact.

I think we could be talking about our unique experiences, privileges, and struggles, without people trying to put words in each others mouths or make it seem like the only way to recognize someone's suffering is if we can prove They've Suffered The Most.

that reminds me

i have another thing for ame

Y'all seriously believe trans men benefit from misogyny, y'all think we're "the villains", y'all think we are not as trans as every other trans person, like - at this point, I don't fucking care about your sad little sob story about how you can't bring yourself to listen to trans men, you're TRANSPHOBIC.

Fuck you.

Yeah I just can't handle the

"people wanting to forcibly detransition you, strip you of any agency or autonomy, keep you from transitioning, and require you to be good little breeders and baby machines is a privilege, actually, that you directly benefit from, these people doing it are doing so to LOVE and PROTECT you, and because of that it's actually your responsibility and your fault and YOU are the bad guys in this scenario, hope that helps :)"

That's a cruel take. That's not just something from being chronically online or from a lack of touching grass. That's cruel. That's callous. To look at someone saying "this hurts us, please help us" and reply "it's your fault it happens in the first place" is nothing short of cruelty.

There's times when I'm quiet on this stuff. It's because nothing I can say or do is appropriate or kind in this situation. I just don't understand why people are refusing to see this bad behavior for what it is.

saying this as a trans dude: I honestly think you really can’t be a good trans ally if you’re gonna treat cis dyadic men as inherently evil/worse than everyone else

like yes toxic masculinity and certain socialization and being unaware of privilege can lead to a higher incidence of shitty behavior, it’s not stupid to be wary of cis dyadic men, but that’s different than believing they are *inherently* worse than anyone else simply by the fact that they are cisgendered men

you can’t say you don’t discriminate based off of gender identity while also saying that people of a certain agab and gender identity are inherently bad full stop.

also it Will bleed over to trans people even if you don’t realize it. if you think being amab and male makes someone shitty you’re gonna apply that to amab trans people and transmascs regardless of agab. any amab person who doesn’t completely dissociate from masculinity and any person who embraces it is gonna be considered shittier than everyone else bc they’re closer to cis men, unless people just ignore the parts of peoples identity and presentation they don’t like which is still garbage

and also like. even if it didn’t affect trans people it’s still incredibly shitty to think that any gender identity/agab combo is inherently worse than others

I feel like cis women actually can't wrap their heads around the fact that there is a group of men who they as a class oppress. We are significantly more likely to be raped, beaten, harassed, and otherwise discriminated against by cis women than the other way around and I mean by a large margin.

Women are not safe spaces for trans men, femmes are not safe spaces for trans men, hell I don't even think most queer communities are. The amount of shit I see young transmascs put up with from cis women because, oh I'm a man now so that means I'm an oppressor, makes me ill. Baby you're a victim.

And cis women know it too, it's why they're so damn comfortable around us. It's why they will think it's obvious we're excluded from their kam talk. Or why they get so giddy when they say oh trans men are trash too, see I'm woke! As if we wouldn't be offended or retaliate, cause why would we?

Personally I think we should just start biting their fingers off.

But seriously, young transmascs who see this, I need to you get these people out of your life or start putting distance, stand up for yourself. Find community with other transmascs, befriend some cis men, find femmes who won't treat you like that (they exist! most of my friends are femmes and they get as mad as I do at this shit!).

And cis women please learn intersectional analysis beyond woman good man bad.

I hate to be the one to break this to some of you, but the most perfectly passing trans man you know, still has to go to the doctor.

Image ID: a man with short black hair wearing a black suit, white shirt, and tie in front of a dark grey-light grey globe imitating a news caster background. He is speaking, and yellow text under his picture reads "Now this might strike some viewers as harsh, but I believe everyone involved in this story should die."

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Hey fuckers. Some of you may not know this but this meme should really stop being used, the context behind it is disgustingly transphobic and homophobic. The full quote is:

"And finally, in Falls City, Nebraska, John Lotter has been sentenced to death for attempting to kill three people in what prosecutors called a plot to silence a cross-dressing female who had accused him of rape. Now, this might strike some viewers as harsh, but I believe everyone involved in this story should die."

It's from a sketch from SNL, and the joke is about the horrific rape and murder of a trans man named Brandon Teena. Please stop use this, I'm frankly sick of trans men being the butt of the joke and of us being ignored.

The help-to-prison pipeline

Friday’s Washington Post had a fascinating piece in which several trans men reflect on how transition changed the way they are seen and how they react with the world. Read the whole thing if you have some time.

Of particular interest to me is Zander Keig, clinical social work case manager, Naval Medical Center San Diego. Keig, who is a first-generation Mexican-American, once considered himself a lesbian radical feminist. Since transitioning, he has found that as his empathy for men increased, the views of his female coworkers sounded worse and worse:

As Keig works with veterans, one can assume he and his coworkers dealt with lots of PTSD patients and veterans who had difficulty acclimating to the very different incentives, expectations and rhythms of civilian life. These women (and Keig) are the first bulwark against depression, suicide, addiction and prison for a vulnerable population.

Do you think their determinism (“men are violent”) helps or hurts? How much can they offer to people they fear? How much can those men trust them?

The fact that social work is dominated by women is a huge problem. That’s in large part because there exists a second system that offers a solution for the problem of wayward men: the criminal justice system. If social workers are too blinded by patriarchy theory to see men as anything but irredeemable brutes, lockup-happy politicians and the private prison companies who fund them will be happy to step in.

One solution would be to pay social workers higher salaries. They have important jobs and it is in society’s interest to make the low pay less of a barrier to potential good hires. That said, the toxic attitudes about men held by people like Keig’s colleagues may be an even bigger barrier to hiring men.

i am so fucking tired

this creator then liked and pinned this comment

y’all are literally using te/rf rhetoric holy mother fuck i am so tired.

this creator has also said some really disgusting things abt trans men and trans ppl who were afab in the past (called them “afab bitches”) so i’m not surprised but i am continually disappointed by the blatant use of ra/df/em rhetoric by other trans people and the way it’s not only condoned but encouraged by the broader community as long as it’s directed at trans men and mascs and other folks who pursue masculinizing transition.

the comments section is full of “this is why i’m not going on t” or talking about why you should rethink going on t. y’all. holy motherfuck. you are literally doing the te/rfs’ work for them. i’m disgusted.

HATE HATE HATE how people are using this one guy who turned traitor as a cudgel against trans men. Who, by the way, was super transandrophobic as well as transmisogynistic in his rhetoric. This response is equally transandrophobic if not more so.

And when are cis men not stressed about aspects of these things, truthfully? I know no cis men who were like "Oh yeah, sure, my hair is thinning and I'm balding but it's actually great! I love it!". None. None of them like that they gain stomach fat more quickly and the way it affects their health. I also know cis men who don't like their beards. I know cis men who shave their legs. Turns out that not every man has to like every aspect of the physical characteristics associated with higher testosterone.

Wow! Incredible! /s

I also feel like p much every trans person on T knows about these aspects of taking it, so it seems redundant to me to be so condescending and preachy about it.

it really shows how disconnected most other queer and trans people are from trans men and mascs and other folks who pursue masculinizing transition. like y’all this is stuff we talk about literally all the time do you really think this is the first we’re hearing of t causing balding???? feels very “you dumb boys don’t know what you’re doing so i, a real trans person, need to step in and explain your own body to you”

yeah smth I haven't seen discussed much is trans men being accused of being sexual predators for deceiving straight women (and sometimes gay men) into having a sex with them without revealing they are trans. like I've seen this in the comments of a video abt a trans man who had sex w a woman with a strapon before he even realized he was trans, I've seen this about trans men in the 1800s who had sex with women using a fake penis, it's not as widely fearmongered about but it certainly does happen

One of the many kinds of anon hate I used to get on my old blog was people telling me I was trying to conversion therapy gay men with my evil tranny pussy. They were under the impression that I, personally, was raping gay men in order to make them straight, and that this was my goal all along. I wasn't really a gay trans man but rather an evil little fujoshi rapist. All of this of course relying on the idea that a true homosexual man would never have sex with a nasty little pussy haver like me, and ignoring the fact that I have been happily dating a man for the past five or six years.

And these were pretty frequent, it's not like it was just a one off incident. I had a post that got popular that always had tehms flocking to my blog to tell me how yucky and evil I am and that no gay man would ever fuck me. At one point it became a pretty regular occurance.

On the flip side I also had terfs calling me an evil lesbian raping predator who was trying to also conversion therapy lesbians. These also came pretty frequently.

So apparently no matter who I am or am not fucking I am an evil conversion therapy predator ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

here's the thing, you dont see it as much ANYMORE. because TERFS used to call trans men decieving sexual predators who want to live out the predatory fantasies of cis men, and this line of thinking was SO COMMON, that it was in SEVENTEEN MAGAZINE. TERFS only changed this narrative to fit with their new "trans men are just confused women" branding, don't be fooled, they STILL feel this way, especially about passing trans men.

Damn, thank you for adding this.

I couldn't find the article itself, probably because Seventeen got called out for the obvious transphobia, but apparently the article called the trans man a "he-she", and at the bottom of the article compared him not being out to his girlfriend to "perverts, drug addicts*, and older dad's trying to get someone young w/o disclosing their parental/age status" as "Total Betrayals"

*there's also obvious ableism/addictphobia here

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they said you were cruel

tfw it’s dark and you accidentally stab your lover best friend….i mean it could happen to anyone i guess?

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