Oh to be called a sweet tarnished by malenia

I’m still sad about the malenia/miquella content we could have had, and possibly choosing their path. 

Lost echoes of English translation

So here I want to discuss what was lost in translation of Marika’s echoes. English is not my native language and my grammar is quite terrible, but I hope result will be comprehensible enough to understand.

Let’s start with the echoes from the Church of Pilgrimage and Third Church of Marika. They are extremely important to the narrative as they are explaining the origin of Tarnished, a reason behind Godfrey’s banishment, how the grace works and Marika’s goals. Sadly, they are often overlooked and English translation did them no favor.

My Lord, and thy warriors. I divest each of thee of thy grace. With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die. Well? Perhaps that might serve you in lieu of a maiden’s guidance.

Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed. Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring. Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey.

Marika referers to Godfrey as お前 “omae” ( 我が王よ、王の戦士たちよ。お前たちから、祝福を奪う), a derogatory form of “you” in Japanese, this pronoun is widely considered rude and usually used for inferiors or enemies (”omae wa mou shindeiru” meme). In some cases it’s used by teenagers or family members (by the head of the household), but Marika calls Godfrey “omae” in a public speech in front of his warriors. She clearly puts a distance between herself, an eternal god, and disposable Elden Lord, who soon will be replaced by a younger male (why do you think Godfrey’s signature animal is a lion?).

Both Radagon and Godfrey are “omae”. She doesn’t value one over another, she uses for Godfrey the same prounonce as she uses for Radagon when she calls him a dog instead of leal hound in JP. In the end they are nothing more than her tools and treated as such.

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ive talked about this on my twitter some but like… with regards to discussion on miquella i think it’s worthwhile to note that malenia is one of if not the most powerful and capable character in the setting, and she herself believes miquella is more fearsome, more worthy, more capable than even she is.

like you can argue malenia is a biased party, and certainly she is, but to some degree even the narrative agrees with this between the oracle envoys being present at the haligtree and the capability of his unalloyed gold and how it outright states he knows how to manipulate people. even gideon is, on some level, intimidated just by the idea of miquella being a present figure in the lands between, arguing it may be safer to kill him to prevent him from waking, implying on some level that miquella has the power and knowledge to be a problem to the mission of the tarnished in a way the other demigods would not.

the game itself seems to present the idea that miquella is so capable that he simply… is unaffected by whatever mohg has done to him. that even in what may be his own death, he could simply awake unharmed, perhaps even unaware that anything had happened at all.

so it’s such a shame to see people reduce him to a damsel in distress, so to speak, so reliant on malenia to protect him, completely at the whims of the people around him and totally useless on his own. that the only identity they give him at all is one of being a victim of his circumstance. his character is so much more than that

I think there are a lot of interesting lore surrounding Miquella and his St.Trina connection, despite being at odds with Mohg's actions. It's no surprise that Mohg has been playing a fool himself by ignoring the unresponsive body and his own delusion.

What’s wrong with Ranni’s Two Fingers?

Let’s start with the obligatory - they are alive. Two Fingers of every other demigod are long dead, Two Fingers at the Roundtable Hold are broken and every other character questions them and how trustworthy they are, but Ranni goes on the special quest to kill hers.

And as I kept looking, I found more and more odd things about them.

Appearances: hairless, smooth, a few times bigger than regular Two Fingers , no dip on the palm, different color. They don’t look like the same creatures at all.

Champions would gather at the Roundtable Hold in days long past, when the Two Fingers were masters of oration, their flesh yet full of vigor ( Coded Sword)

Two Fingers at the Roundtable are old, they are dry and crispy, same goes for Two Fingers at Divine Towers, but Ranni’s Fingers are bleeding.

(Ranni’s Two Fingers are showing more similarities with Fingercreepers, the color and the texture are almost the same, but still not identical.)

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This is canonically how their marriage worked ✨

Gods and Deities of the Lands Between

My first attempt to sort out different gods and godike beings of Elden Ring. I used Japanese txt archive as English translation sometimes is questionable at best or misses some very important nuances.

外なる神 - outer god 

古き神 - ancient god (never used in English)

神 - god, vessel for an outer god, an ancient god or the Elden Ring 

神人 - Empyrean (literally “god-person”)

デミゴッド - demigod (written in katakana, doesn’t use the kanji for god)

Known outer gods: Formless Mother (Mohgwyn’s Sacred Spear), unknown god of Twinbirds (The twinbird is said to be the envoys of the outer god in the description of Kite Shield), outer god of Rot (Scorpion’s Stinger)

Known ancient gods: Flame of Frenzy (Fingerprint Stone Shield), ancient god of Rot (Blue Dancer Charm), Fell God (Fire Monk set)

Nowhere in either script is the Greater Will identified as an outer god, same with Ranni’s Dark Moon, Rennala’s Full Moon or Nox’s Black Moon

Known gods: Vessels of the Elden Ring - Marika, Placidusax‘s Sovereign, Malenia as Goddess of Rot  腐敗の女神, Radagon at the end of the game

Marika is the god of current age, age of the Erdtree, and she is the vessel of the Elden Ring

The Golden Order is founded on the principle that Marika is the one true god © brother Corhyn

黄金律は、女王マリカを唯一の神とする律です。それなのに…

Placidusax‘s Sovereign

The Dragonlord whose seat lies at the heart of the storm beyond time is said to have been Elden Lord in the age before the Erdtree. Once his god was fled, the lord continued to await its return

時の狭間、嵐の中心に座す竜王は 黄金樹の前史、エルデの王であったという だが神は去り、王は帰還を待ち続けていた  

Yes, Placidusax‘s god wasn’t an outer god 外なる神 or an ancient god 古き神, it was a host of the Elden Ring, the same kind of god 神 as Marika. Most likely it ruled during the age of Crucible.

It seems like all kind of deities need an avatar (Empyrean/god) to manifest their power in the Lands Between.

Known Empyreans: Ranni, Miquella, Malenia, Marika/Radagon, Gloam-Eyed Queen; questionable - Placidusax’s Sovereign must be an Empyrean to become a vessel later, which opens an interesting possibility that not only humans can be chosen as Empyreans

Ranni, Miquella and Malenia belong to the new generation of Empyreans:

Worth noting that Ranni uses phrase “coming age”, considering that Placi’s god was replaced by Marika, it’s very possible that Marika’s age was coming to an end as well, but that’s a topic for a different post.

Marika’s and Radagon’s scarseals have the same description: these seals represent the lifelong duty of those chosen by the gods

Description of Black Flame Ritual: the Gloam-Eyed Queen led the apostles. It is said that she was an Empyrean chosen by the Fingers (questionable: Two or Three?)

(Interesting that all current Empyreans are fathered by Radagon, but nothing suggests that Marika and GEQ were relatives)

Questionable: everything about Fell God

それは、女王マリカが討ち取ったとされる かつて巨人たちが祀った悪神である

Once worshipped by the giants, this evil deity is believed to have been slain by Queen Marika ( One-Eyed Shield)

This description contradicts with the description of Glame of the Fell God

Arghanthy, the chief guardian of the Flame, had kept this incantation a well-kept secret until it was stolen by Adan. The fell god still lurks within the Fire Giants

それは、アダンが盗み出した 監視者の長、アーガンティの秘匿である 悪神は、火の巨人の内に、今も隠れている

it is said that Fell God was slain by Marika, but somehow is still alive. Both descriptions are using Fell God  悪神, but Firemonks Armor uses 火の巨人 Fire Giants, while One-Eyed Shield only mentions Giants  巨人.

Possible solution: the legend about Marika is a lie, Marika defeated a vessel of the Fell God, but not the Feel God himself, Elden Ring lore is a mess

Questionable: Serpent deity is written 蛇神, but the Rykard’s Great Serpent is  大蛇. 

Interesting fact: Radahn is called the War God 戦神 in Japanese, but it’s used as a monicker, people simply respect his strength.

Questionable: maybe “ancient god” is just a different way to call outer gods, or it’s a hint that outer gods weren’t always “outer” to the Lands Between

Common misconception №1: the Greater Will is antagonistic to the outer gods

Malenia’s Great Rune is part of the Elden Ring, Order of Rot 腐敗の律 is still an Order 律. The concept of Order 律. is the key point of the Greater Will. The Greater Will is antagonistic to the Flame of Frenzy, which represents Chaos.

Common misconception №2: Ranni’s ending Age of the Stars bans the outer gods or the Greater Will

Description of Memory Stone:

Said to be a fragment of the black moon that once hung above the Eternal City

Description of Moon of Nokstella:

This talisman represents the lost black moon. The moon of Nokstella was the guide of countless stars

Guess what happened with the Nox, despite worship of the black moon and stars

Long ago, the Nox invoked the ire of the Greater Will, and were banished to the shadow realm deep underground

That’s not counting a giant Lake of Rot in Nox ruins. Guys were double-teamed by both Greater Will and outer gods.

Now cometh the age of the stars. A thousand year voyage under the wisdom of the Moon

Ranni minimizes the influence of the Order for 1000 years, she doesn’t remove it entirely and forever like the Flame of Frenzy, nor she does anything with the outer gods (it’s Miquella’s goal to banish them), she simply brings Order of the Chill Night 冷たい夜の律 until the next coming age.

Conclusion: no god rules forever.

Questionable: unless god tries to hijack the system with the Shattering

get that shit outta here

there was a typo in your meme so i fixed it

Yknow what yeah there was

Ok so that means it’s cool if I ship Mohg with his own twin, right? They both adults, after all.

This is a win for this raft of a ship I’m sitting on! A win, I say! Mohg/Morgott rights!

No you fuckin lunatic incest is still fucking wrong lmao

If it’s so wrong then why am I winning so hard 

isn’t it basically canon though?????

It’s canon in the sense that it’s bad, everyone in the game thinks it bad, the game acknowledges its bad, and it’s not romanticised. I don’t have a problem with it being canon (although there is something to be said about it conveying harmful gay stereotypes but I’ll fully get into that another time) I have a problem with the mouth breathers who romanticise it like “Yay! Rape and incest is so cute! So wholesome! I love them! I have had exactly 2 original thoughts in my entire life!” Like no it’s not fucking cute it’s fucked up and abusive and ESPECIALLY disrespectful and triggering to survivors of that kind of abuse. Its not cool.

bitch ever watched game of thrones?

i havent played this game, i only know what ive seen in my timeline, a brief look through a wiki, and watching the mohg fight in youtube clips. i ship mohg with no one and just like seeing solo art of him and have no attachment to the concept of miquella

I think the insulting part of Mohg/Miquella shipping is that many people find the relationship consensual and romantic, and claim it to be canon but it isn’t. The wishes of Miquella are ignored. You are looking at the intro pic where Mohg ripped Miquella out of the cocoon wrong, his arm is the the small limping extremity in the far right, not the nightgown part. Apparently he has been in an eternal slumber ever since merging with the Haligtree. There are also a lot of hints that Miquella dumped that body to become the god in the dreamworld while his old body would become the fertilizer for the Haligtree. This would explain why his cocoon body looks like the soulless demigods in the Mausoleums.

My own note is why are you defending this ship if you haven’t played the game? Not to be offensive or anything but the lore of Elden Ring is very complex and its hard to fully understand the relationship for outsiders.

i think youre responding to the wrong person here because i didnt say anything about any of that.

i literally said i dont ship it. i think you just read 'i didnt play it’ and then skipped to the end to be mad at me for shipping it.

i dont have to ship something to think the aggression about a ship is weird and offputting

its always 'hes a child’ (i disagree in every way you possibly can) and ignoring 'hes a 30 foot tall probable-corpse and there is no 1:1 real world comparison to an insane blood monster wanting to start a family with him and never being able to do so because it doesnt make sense because hes crazy’

if mohg is the villain than mohg is the problem here, not the ship, so shipping him with yourself is just as bad and hypocritical. youre siding witht he person whos calling mohg a pedophile but are cool with them shipping THEMSELVES with the pedophile? they should be anti MOHG not anti mohg/miquella.

if someone wants to draw fanart of him kissing his gross looking demon brother thats much less offensive than anything he does canonically in game, and the game made millions of dollars and fanart is free.

I still don’t understand why you are caring so much for a game you don’t play and have the most basic knowledge about? And them shipping with Mohg is apparently a OC thing, which you have no idea about? Is this your first experience with OC shipping or something to be so mad about?

OP is a real person that is an adult and consented to the relationship, how can I tell them to stop? I don’t like Mohg character either but I can’t tell people to stop liking a character. The Tarnished is a self-insert character that marries a doll, joins the Serpent family, joins blood cult of Mohg like Varre, and even serves the necromancer Fia that “sleeps with corpses”?

I just feel uncomfortable when people have the most inaccurate knowledge about the game lore and the relationship and parade arround like its canon.

Like dude, you are pitching in a fandom that you barely know about and screaming like why are people are so against some ships.

anyhoo, blocking you “you fucking lunatic”, which is not a rude thing for me to say to you by your own logic

Lmao, I care if people are drawing consensual porn art between Mohg and a child body of Miquella, and consider it as something wholesome and cute, and I will vehemently spit on it. They are promoting pedophile. Pedophile is sexual attraction to a child body, not really their mind so that still applies in this context when Miquella has the body of a child and his mind is an adult. It's almost as bad as lolicon and shotacon porn. They think that is a romantic and wholesome thing. Art is a message and the shippers are promoting sex between a grown body and an immature body, even when they are portraying it to be a consensual context. The game portrays whatever happening to Miquella is a gross and evil thing, and some people ignore that.

I don't care if real people ship themselves with an evil vampiric shit as long as no children involved.

get that shit outta here

there was a typo in your meme so i fixed it

Yknow what yeah there was

Ok so that means it’s cool if I ship Mohg with his own twin, right? They both adults, after all.

This is a win for this raft of a ship I’m sitting on! A win, I say! Mohg/Morgott rights!

No you fuckin lunatic incest is still fucking wrong lmao

If it’s so wrong then why am I winning so hard 

isn’t it basically canon though?????

It’s canon in the sense that it’s bad, everyone in the game thinks it bad, the game acknowledges its bad, and it’s not romanticised. I don’t have a problem with it being canon (although there is something to be said about it conveying harmful gay stereotypes but I’ll fully get into that another time) I have a problem with the mouth breathers who romanticise it like “Yay! Rape and incest is so cute! So wholesome! I love them! I have had exactly 2 original thoughts in my entire life!” Like no it’s not fucking cute it’s fucked up and abusive and ESPECIALLY disrespectful and triggering to survivors of that kind of abuse. Its not cool.

bitch ever watched game of thrones?

i havent played this game, i only know what ive seen in my timeline, a brief look through a wiki, and watching the mohg fight in youtube clips. i ship mohg with no one and just like seeing solo art of him and have no attachment to the concept of miquella

I think the insulting part of Mohg/Miquella shipping is that many people find the relationship consensual and romantic, and claim it to be canon but it isn’t. The wishes of Miquella are ignored. You are looking at the intro pic where Mohg ripped Miquella out of the cocoon wrong, his arm is the the small limping extremity in the far right, not the nightgown part. Apparently he has been in an eternal slumber ever since merging with the Haligtree. There are also a lot of hints that Miquella dumped that body to become the god in the dreamworld while his old body would become the fertilizer for the Haligtree. This would explain why his cocoon body looks like the soulless demigods in the Mausoleums.

My own note is why are you defending this ship if you haven’t played the game? Not to be offensive or anything but the lore of Elden Ring is very complex and its hard to fully understand the relationship for outsiders.

i think youre responding to the wrong person here because i didnt say anything about any of that.

i literally said i dont ship it. i think you just read 'i didnt play it’ and then skipped to the end to be mad at me for shipping it.

i dont have to ship something to think the aggression about a ship is weird and offputting

its always 'hes a child’ (i disagree in every way you possibly can) and ignoring 'hes a 30 foot tall probable-corpse and there is no 1:1 real world comparison to an insane blood monster wanting to start a family with him and never being able to do so because it doesnt make sense because hes crazy’

if mohg is the villain than mohg is the problem here, not the ship, so shipping him with yourself is just as bad and hypocritical. youre siding witht he person whos calling mohg a pedophile but are cool with them shipping THEMSELVES with the pedophile? they should be anti MOHG not anti mohg/miquella.

if someone wants to draw fanart of him kissing his gross looking demon brother thats much less offensive than anything he does canonically in game, and the game made millions of dollars and fanart is free.

I still don't understand why you are caring so much for a game you don't play and have the most basic knowledge about? And them shipping with Mohg is apparently a OC thing, which you have no idea about? Is this your first experience with OC shipping or something to be so mad about?

OP is a real person that is an adult and consented to the relationship, how can I tell them to stop? I don't like Mohg character either but I can't tell people to stop liking a character. The Tarnished is a self-insert character that marries a doll, joins the Serpent family, joins blood cult of Mohg like Varre, and even serves the necromancer Fia that "sleeps with corpses"?

I just feel uncomfortable when people have the most inaccurate knowledge about the game lore and the relationship and parade arround like its canon.

Like dude, you are pitching in a fandom that you barely know about and screaming like why are people are so against some ships.

get that shit outta here

there was a typo in your meme so i fixed it

Yknow what yeah there was

Ok so that means it’s cool if I ship Mohg with his own twin, right? They both adults, after all.

This is a win for this raft of a ship I’m sitting on! A win, I say! Mohg/Morgott rights!

No you fuckin lunatic incest is still fucking wrong lmao

If it’s so wrong then why am I winning so hard 

isn’t it basically canon though?????

It’s canon in the sense that it’s bad, everyone in the game thinks it bad, the game acknowledges its bad, and it’s not romanticised. I don’t have a problem with it being canon (although there is something to be said about it conveying harmful gay stereotypes but I’ll fully get into that another time) I have a problem with the mouth breathers who romanticise it like “Yay! Rape and incest is so cute! So wholesome! I love them! I have had exactly 2 original thoughts in my entire life!” Like no it’s not fucking cute it’s fucked up and abusive and ESPECIALLY disrespectful and triggering to survivors of that kind of abuse. Its not cool.

bitch ever watched game of thrones?

i havent played this game, i only know what ive seen in my timeline, a brief look through a wiki, and watching the mohg fight in youtube clips. i ship mohg with no one and just like seeing solo art of him and have no attachment to the concept of miquella

I think the insulting part of Mohg/Miquella shipping is that many people find the relationship consensual and romantic, and claim it to be canon but it isn't. The wishes of Miquella are ignored. You are looking at the intro pic where Mohg ripped Miquella out of the cocoon wrong, his arm is the the small limping extremity in the far right, not the nightgown part. Apparently he has been in an eternal slumber ever since merging with the Haligtree. There are also a lot of hints that Miquella dumped that body to become the god in the dreamworld while his old body would become the fertilizer for the Haligtree. This would explain why his cocoon body looks like the soulless demigods in the Mausoleums.

My own note is why are you defending this ship if you haven't played the game? Not to be offensive or anything but the lore of Elden Ring is very complex and its hard to fully understand the relationship for outsiders.

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OVA official release date: April 27, 2018

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