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A multifandom mess

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Hi! Rebecca/Becky/Becca, 20s, bi-ace, UK. Here to love all my fandoms, & talk about them. Please be kind & respectful on my blog. Six of Crows and Young Royals obsessed atm!
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please unfollow me if you are an israel supporter. this is a pro palestine account. please do not try to argue with me about this. israel is committing mass genocide against the palestinian people. this is not coming from antisemitism because i am not anti-jewish people, i am simply anti israeli government and it’s mission to wipe out the palestinian people. if you are angered by this or feel like our beliefs do not align, then please unfollow me because you are not the type of person i want associated with me.

i also do not want to hear anyone saying that this has nothing to do with fanfiction and this isn’t something that we need to be talking about. it is so important to keep the people of gaza in your hearts and minds. human lives should not be collateral damage as a heavily armed state forcefully occupies palestine.

this is not a war between israel and palestine, it is not even a war between israel and hamas. this is the mass genocide and ethnic cleansing of the palestinian people.

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if you give “stupid” characters rural/southern accents i don’t like you and if you give “smart” characters rural/southern accents but it’s a punchline i don’t like you even more

the other day I was out at lunch with some people I don’t know too well & they got talking specifically about West Virginian accents in the context of a movie that takes place there & that the movie opted out of doing accents & one of them laughed and said “I mean, can you imagine if characters sounded like that in serious moments??” I was like yeah I can because everyone where I’m from does sound like that. Y’all are so annoying.

no need for a more specific word because it all falls under classism and/or racism.

west virginia is home to some of the strongest labor & union movements in U.S. history, from miners’ strikes to the 2018 teachers’ strikes (where 20,000 teachers went on strike together with community support).

For the last 100 years it has become very beneficial to those in power for the rest of the country to think of us as very stupid, backward, “inbred,” etc. It’s not an accident. there were real efforts made to create & proliferate the stereotype of the stupid hillbilly.

Likewise it’s not an accident that dialects like AAVE are treated as a joke. Easier to dismiss civil rights leaders if you think what they say is inherently comedic or uneducated.

a lot of people in the tags saying they live in places where they hear people mock accents & dialects a lot & it upsets them. just want to remind you that it’s up to you to challenge that in the moment. when someone makes a shitty joke at the expense of someone else, someone else has to tell them it’s not funny & why. we don’t learn in a vacuum. maybe they’ll listen, maybe they won’t. still gotta try.

at some point you likely had an “ah-ha” moment where you realized an unconscious bias you held needed to be unraveled. likely someone else pointed it out to you, whether that was in a conversation or something you read/watched online.

it’s not enough to learn your own lesson and move on. you have to pass the lesson along.

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petermorwood

All of the following is IMO, so YMMV.

"Accent bigotry" - Irish = stupid & possibly a drunk; Northern Irish = bigoted & possibly a terrorist; RP English = educated & probably trustworthy (though also nowadays possibly a villain) - is one of the reasons I'm ... let's call it "ambivalent", about what TVTropes calls "Funetik Aksent".

"Phonetic" misspellings and dropping letters in favour of apostrophes happen at both ends of the literary social scale, but there's seldom any doubt about who's in "Who's Who" and who isn't.

The person who said this:

"Bless your ’eart, sir! I'll go up and tell 'Er Lydieship now, sir, and I bet you’ll be ’earing something in ’arf a jiffy."

didn't go to the same school as the person who said this:

"Dinin' at a London club, deah boy, then huntin' an' shootin' an' fishin' in th' countreh. Whatevah could be bettah?"

Further lot development may and should reveal that neither of those speakers are what they seem - salt-of-the-earth working class or disdainful peer-of-the-realm - but what they SEEM is telegraphed instantly by the way their speech is set in print.

(Sharon McCrumb did this in "Zombies of the Gene Pool" - a big burly man who sounds like a hillbilly villain from "Deliverance" is a linguistics professor born in the region and doing it deliberately to mock the assumptions of the people hearing him.)

Unless there's a good reason for it (for example, a character revealing their true origins by accident or for emphasis) often the only thing writing speech like that does, is to indicate These People Here Speak Properly whereas Theyum Fohx Theah Tawks Funnih.

That comes complete with baggage which the writer either doesn't know about, doesn't care about - or is fully aware of and using deliberately.

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Other reasons for ambivalence: a little Funetik Aksent goes a long way; it's often tiresome to read (and to write); most of all, if readers are unaware of some important detail - such as what sounds the weird spelling is meant to imitate - it's pointless.

There's an example of Unaware right in the TVTropes article, which states:

Neil Gaiman's short story "Shoggoth's Old Peculiar" in "Smoke and Mirrors" parodies the New England accent found in Lovecraft stories.

No it doesn't.

For one thing, just looking at them would have shown that speech from Lovecraft stories (here "The Dunwich Horror")...

“They know it’s a-goin’ aout, an’ dun’t calc’late to miss it. Yew’ll know, boys, arter I’m gone, whether they git me er not. Ef they dew, they’ll keep up a-singin’ an’ laffin’ till break o’ day. Ef they dun’t they’ll kinder quiet daown like. I expeck them an’ the souls they hunts fer hev some pretty tough tussles sometimes.”

...is nothing like speech from "Shoggoth's Old Peculiar"...

"And for me, too," said his friend. "I could murder a Shoggoth's. 'Ere, I bet that would make a good advertising slogan. 'I could murder a Shoggoth's.' I should write to them and suggest it. I bet they'd be very glad of me suggestin' it."

For another thing - this is much more excusable - that writer clearly didn't know about "The Dagenham Dialogues", a series of British comedy sketches from the 1960s. performed by Peter Cook and Dudley Moore.

(Not knowing isn't a surprise. Those sketches aren't as famous as they might be because of the infamous BBC policy of wiping / reusing programme tapes to save on costs and storage. "Monty Python's Flying Circus" almost went the same way; a lot of "Doctor Who" and many other popular shows DID.)

What's actually being parodied are the "Dialogues" characters "Pete and Dud", playing two acolytes of Cthulhu. They're described thus:

"Sitting in one corner were a couple of gentlemen wearing long grey raincoats and scarves ... sipping dark brown foam-topped beerish drinks..."

Rather, or indeed very, like this.

The Defence rests, m'Lud.

These acolytes discuss H.P. Lovecraft's style and vocabulary (overblown and eccentric), the location of sunken R'lyeh (just off the end of the pier, but handy for the shops), Great Cthulhu who lies dreaming (though temporarily deceased), and so on and so forth.

It's an excellent simulation of Pete and Dud and yet, apart from a couple of dropped-letter apostrophes, der's nun uv d'yoojul kunstruksh'n trikz. Instead it's done by matching the repetition, pace and rhythm of the originals.

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Incidentally, "Shoggoth's Old Peculiar", the titular beer of the story, is itself a parody of Theakston's Old Peculier, a not half bad dark ale.

Note the difference in spelling: "PeculiAR" means strange or odd, "PeculiER" means a kind of Christian ecclesiastical court, so that's another beery association with a temporarily deceased god. Accidental, coincidental or deliberate?

Knowing @neil-gaiman, my money's on deliberate. :->

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Here he is, reading "Shoggoth's Old Peculiar": Part One, Part Two, Part Three.

And here are a couple of bits of "Dagenham Dialogues": One and Two.

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neil-gaiman

I was really enjoying Peter's analysis and then suddenly I was reading about my story. He's spot on, on every point.

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shamebats

We really do need to bring back the word "trolling" and warning ppl not to feed the trolls

That TikTok of ppl pouring tomato sauce directly on the counter, adding spaghetti & mixing it with their hands while commenting how great of an idea it is? Yeah, we used to call that trolling, it's pathetic & bc all they want from it is attention, the best thing is not to give them any. Block & move on.

I keep seeing it on here too. Someone comments something outrageous on a post & gets dozens of ppl to respond, filling the entire comment section & making it unusable. And on Instagram, a comment saying "I hate colors" on a post of someone showing off colorful art gets 100 replies while positive comments get none. Congrats, you've fed the troll. Now stop doing it.

Trolling used to get you banned from forums. Now they call you an influencer and give you brand deals & ad revenue. That's why it's more important than ever not to feed the trolls, especially in spaces where any attention is good attention and getting yelled at by 10k ppl in the comments counts as "engagement", boosting your troll post in the algorithm.

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jaimebluesq

The eternal question - is it worse to read the words of someone who hates a character you love but is accurate/respectful in their points/portrayal, or someone who loves them more than you do but strips them of all nuance and greyness to legit "they did nothing wrong" when they did SO MUCH WRONG?

These tags slowly escalate in their support of unnamed atrocities

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maulfucker

Oh I can name the atrocities if you want

Oh. I forgot the url AGAIN. I'm so sorry.

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amystheme

I love the theme of love and selfishness in the twelveclara seasons. I love how their very first episode together, clara rejects the doctor because she won’t accept he’s changed and I love how curt and almost mean she is about it. I love how that thread is woven on and on! she lies to danny about twelve and to twelve about danny many many times. she tries to trick the doctor into helping her save danny in the most cruel (and efficient) way possible. she was going to kill missy in front of twelve because to her, he owed her that much. she says to twelve : I don’t care! you do not die with me! you die with the person after me, you save all that heartbreak for later! I don’t want it! I love that theme because it’s about how ugly it can be to love, how possessive and demanding and how it can still coexist with genuine selfless care! there’s no contradictions! do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference ?

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elainiisms

female protagonists will literally go through 30 life altering traumas at the age of 16 and you ppl still have the audacity to call them annoying bc they cry about it and act like teenage girls

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ID: A drawing captioned as “This asexual wont let you use them as a sheild for being anti kink. The drawing depicts two stick figures. One is angry with their arms crossed, saying, “You cant let those dirty kinksters into pride just think of the asexuals!” The other sticks figure has a more nuetral expression and is rubbing their arm. saying, “I’m capable of seeing a guy in a harness actually”. Above the stick figure’s head is a split asexual/leather pride flag. (End ID)

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Variety's Emmys predictions include 'Red, White and Royal Blue' in the Outstanding Television Movie category!

Variety updates their predictions every Thursday! Here’s their rankings as of April 24.

Commentary:

The landscape of TV movies has evolved significantly. What was once the predominant format for prestigious television has now been overshadowed by limited series for the past two decades. Nonetheless, in this year’s race, there are critically acclaimed films across various genres that will play a significant role, and showcase high quality filmmaking worth celebrating. Three out of the five PGA-nominated films in the best-streamed or televised movie category are eligible and poised as strong contenders for recognition. A standout among these is Matthew López’s romantic-comedy “Red, White & Royal Blue” from Prime Video, showcasing star-making turns from Taylor Zakhar Perez and Nicholas Galitzine. In recent years, winners in this category such as “Dolly Parton’s Christmas on the Square,” “Chip ‘n Dale: Rescue Rangers,” and “Weird: The Al Yankovic Story” have tended towards comedic themes. However, following Hulu’s “Fire Island” last year, another hightly entertaining LGBTQ feature that narrowly missed securing the win, the Amazon film may offer the right balance of dramatic depth and prestige to make a notable impact in this competitive field.

RWRB is now ranked #1 AND predicted to win the Outstanding Television Movie category.

As for Lead Actor, Nick and Taylor are ranked #10 and #14, respectively.

Source: variety.com
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