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Turnabout storyteller but you have to defend the disaster of a man known as the 8th generation yuurakutei yakumo (there was another post tht posed an idea like this bt i cant find it !!!!! Op if you’re out tthere … your mind..-)
I love this man
Is it known what Akira Ishida thinks of Kawoshin? It's easy to find out that Megumi Ogata only sees them as friends (although we should keep in mind that she generally doesn't see Shinji with anyone), but I can hardly find anything from him. The only thing I can find is this long interview about the third rebuild where he says that Kaworu's feelings for Shinji wouldn't change and when asked if you could see it as a love scene that Kaworu and Shinji control the Eva together, he just laughed and said he would leave it up to the viewers to interptetion. I'm just wondering this because I read a Japanese comment under a video claiming that Ishida disowned BL in a rebuild interview. Is there a general difference between BL and pure love for Japanese? Because I've already read some Japanese comments that said Kawoshin wasn't boy love but pure love. Sorry for the long text but I'm really confused and curious.
Ishida also talked about leaving his interpretation to the director. This could imply he did have an idea at the time but didn't want to say anything until the Rebuilds ended. I can't find anything myself in relation to Ishida's stance on BL in or out of a Rebuild interview. I also can't say about the difference between BL and pure love as my understanding of Japanese culture is somewhat shallow. I wouldn't feel right giving my two cents for the latter part of this question!
(posting at 1am cos I had too much tea and can't sleep and went down a YT rabbit hole and now I am simping too hard to sleep)
I'm a huuuuuuuge fan of Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu and I watched Uchi no Shishou wa Shippou ga Nai just to listen to him do rakugo again and I came across this real gem:
It's a modern adaptation of Benten Kozo (the stage play that Kiku and Shin acted in while they were still apprentices) and Ishida Akira voices Benten here too and it is so amazing especially where he changes his voice at 7:00.
Please if you appreciate stellar voice acting, I implore you to watch this then go watch Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu if you haven't.
This is a PSA brought by my insomnia goodnight.
(posting at 1am cos I had too much tea and can't sleep and went down a YT rabbit hole and now I am simping too hard to sleep)
I'm a huuuuuuuge fan of Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu and I watched Uchi no Shishou wa Shippou ga Nai just to listen to him do rakugo again and I came across this real gem:
It's a modern adaptation of Benten Kozo (the stage play that Kiku and Shin acted in while they were still apprentices) and Ishida Akira voices Benten here too and it is so amazing especially where he changes his voice at 7:00.
Please if you appreciate stellar voice acting, I implore you to watch this then go watch Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu if you haven't.
This is a PSA brought by my insomnia goodnight.
Summary: Aside from his usual trolling of Hoshi Souichirou, Hirata Hiroaki griped about Gojyo’s ‘falling quality’ while A-san ‘revealed’ some scandalous bits from his past....
Note: As Soto pointed out, free talks aren't scripted, so the voice actors often interrupt each other, talk over one another, and mumble. I’m pretty sure I did not get everything right, so I’ll really appreciate any correction.
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Hoshi: It’s time for the cast round-table discussion of the third volume of the Saiyuki Reload Blast Drama CD. Thank you for your hard work, everyone.
Hirata: Thank you for your hard work, too.
Hoshi: Even though it’s gradually getting colder these days, everyone’s excitement warms up the recording site.
CD Drama available here.
Summary: The Ikkou join an eating contest. Goku is a shoo-in for the championship, until a certain condiment makes its appearance.
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(Sound of a rumbling stomach amidst the hubbub of the crowd.)
Goku: Ah, I’m hungry. I’m hungry, I’m hungry, I’m hungry–
Sanzo (hits Goku): You’re noisy!
Goku: That hurts! What’s it for?
Sanzo: Your whining is irritating my ears. Shut it.
Gojyo: Someone is sure being grumpy here.
So far, this CD Drama is the most challenging to translate.
Summary: Sanzo, Gojyo and Goku bid for a legendary bowl in an internet auction.
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(Cicada buzzing.)
Gojyo: Ah, it’s hot.
Sanzo: What’s with this heat?
Hakkai: This high temperature is baffling….
Goku: Since we’ve arrived in a town, why don’t we cool ourselves off somewhere?
Gojyo: Agreed.
Hakkai: That’d be good. Well, why don’t we go inside that internet cafe?
Goku: In-ter-net ca-fe?
Hakkai: It’s a shop where you can read books and use the internet. There would also be a drink bar where you can drink as much as you wish.
Goku: All-you-can-drink? I’ll go, I’ll go! Sanzo, we can go there, can’t we? Ah–
Gojyo: Oi, Sanzo! What are you doing just going off ahead by yourself?
hmm...
ishida akira in sorachi's special manga (making fun of gintama seiyuu's) shown during gintama ato no matsuri
Summary: The voice actors share their thoughts on the recording of the album Saiyuki Noisy and talk about health and relaxation.
See notes at the end for disclaimer.
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Hoshi: It’s time for the bonus track of Drama CD Saiyuki Noisy! Thanks for your hard work, everyone. Er... first, the topics of our talk: your thoughts about the recording and anything you wish to share regarding your health and what you do for relaxation. I would like each of us to say our piece in turn. First of all, this is Hoshi Souichirou, who plays Son Goku. Pappi!
(The others laugh.)
Hoshi: Yes, everyone, pappi.
Ishida and Seki: Thank you for your hard work.
Hi!! This is me hika/waratteiru! I made a translations blog :))
I did the subbing for the manga from Sorachi bit from Gintama Ato no Matsuri 2023. Full to the brim of classic Sorachi gags at the expense of the seiyuu cast. Please enjoy!
EDIT: Abema took the video down so I uploaded a Drive mirror! Link
Brief comments (a bit over one minute in total) from each of the VA right after the recording of the track ‘Fundraising’.
Seki: Thank you for listening. After going through all of tracks in the Memorial Pack, did you come upon anything new? Hmm? No? I see. Thank you very much for purchasing the CDs!
Hoshi: Yes! The Saiyuki Memorial Pack being a collection of bonus Drama CD tracks, it means you got to hear ‘ooriyao’ [Goku’s cry when he is exerting himself] after long while, right?
Hirata: Hello everyone. Have you listened to all of the tracks? Wow, the first track of this collection was recorded in 1999. I wonder if my voice sounded rather young there. The last track was recorded just now. When I said ‘just now,’ I meant just right before this. Er, how was it? As you feel the difference across the years, you probably also realize that everyone’s grown old. Well then.
Ishida: This time, it’s a compilation of bonus Drama CD tracks. Each of them is a mini CD drama which owes its existence to the main story in the first place. Is it okay to compile just these mini CD dramas, which were meant as amusing breathers, in order to make a whole album for easy listening? Isn’t it brazen? Is it okay? I see.... Well then, I’m glad. I’ll take leave of you now.
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➸ “This is a sentence.”
➸ “This is a sentence with a dialogue tag at the end,” she said.
➸ “This,” he said, “is a sentence split by a dialogue tag.”
➸ “This is a sentence,” she said. “This is a new sentence. New sentences are capitalized.”
➸ “This is a sentence followed by an action.” He stood. “They are separate sentences because he did not speak by standing.”
➸ She said, “Use a comma to introduce dialogue. The quote is capitalized when the dialogue tag is at the beginning.”
➸ “Use a comma when a dialogue tag follows a quote,” he said.
“Unless there is a question mark?” she asked.
“Or an exclamation point!” he answered. “The dialogue tag still remains uncapitalized because it’s not truly the end of the sentence.”
➸ “Periods and commas should be inside closing quotations.”
➸ “Hey!” she shouted, “Sometimes exclamation points are inside quotations.”
However, if it’s not dialogue exclamation points can ask be “outside”!
➸ “Does this apply to question marks too?” he asked.
If it’s not dialogue, can question marks be “outside”? (Yes, they can.)
➸ “This applies to dashes too. Inside quotations, dashes typically express—“
“Interruption” — but there are situations dashes may be outside.
➸ “You’ll notice that exclamation marks, question marks, and dashes do not have a comma after them. Ellipses don’t have a comma after them either…” she said.
➸ “My teacher said, ‘Use single quotation marks when quoting within dialogue.’”
➸ “Use paragraph breaks to indicate a new speaker,” he said.
“The readers will know it’s someone else speaking.”
It puzzles me when people cite LOTR as the standard of “simple” or “predictable” or “black and white” fantasy. Because in my copy, the hero fails. Frodo chooses the Ring, and it’s only Gollum’s own desperation for it that inadvertently saves the day. The fate of the world, this whole blood-soaked war, all the millennia-old machinations of elves and gods, comes down to two addicts squabbling over their Precious, and that is precisely and powerfully Tolkien’s point.
And then the hero goes home, and finds home a smoking desolation, his neighbors turned on one another, that secondary villain no one finished off having destroyed Frodo’s last oasis not even out of evil so much as spite, and then that villain dies pointlessly, and then his killer dies pointlessly. The hero is left not with a cathartic homecoming, the story come full circle in another party; he is left to pick up the pieces of what was and what shall never be again.
And it’s not enough. The hero cannot heal, and so departs for the fabled western shores in what remains a blunt and bracing metaphor for death (especially given his aged companions). When Sam tells his family, “Well, I’m back” at the very end, it is an earned triumph, but the very fact that someone making it back qualifies as a triumph tells you what kind of story this is: one that is too honest to allow its characters to claim a clean victory over entropy, let alone evil.
“I can’t recall the taste of food, nor the sound of water, nor the touch of grass. I’m naked in the dark. There’s nothing–no veil between me and the wheel of fire. I can see him with my waking eyes.”
So where’s this silly shallow hippie fever-dream I’ve heard so much about? It sounds like a much lesser story than the one that actually exists.
+1 You know how Frodo leaves Sam with the legacy of the quest - the job of bearing witness to what happened - and the duty to finish and protect his writings? Tolkien lost all but one of his friends in WW1. He was founder member of a literary club at school - the TCBS. There was a larger group and a core of four. They all stayed friends, they kept writing and sharing their work with each other. And they were almost all killed. One of them, Geoffrey Smith, wrote this to Tolkien in 1916. My chief consolation is that if I am scuppered tonight – I am off on duty in a few minutes – there will still be left a member of the great T.C.B.S. to voice what I dreamed and what we all agreed upon. […] May God bless you my dear John Ronald and may you say things I have tried to say long after I am not there to say them if such be my lot. And that was his last letter. There’s something eerie about the way he seems to have pegged Tolkien as an eventual survivor. Sam’s survival (and his emergence as the true hero of the book) are beautiful because they’re suffused with loss, because they’re not the grand conquering heroic narrative that on some level was “supposed” to happen.
A scorpion, not knowing how to swim, asked a frog to carry it across the river. “Do I look like a fool?” said the frog. “You’d sting me if I let you on my back!”
“Be logical,” said the scorpion. “If I stung you I’d certainly drown myself.”
“That’s true,” the frog acknowledged. “Climb aboard, then!” But no sooner than they were halfway across the river, the scorpion stung the frog, and they both began to thrash and drown. “Why on earth did you do that?” the frog said morosely. “Now we’re both going to die.”
“I can’t help it,” said the scorpion. “It’s my nature.”
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…But no sooner than they were halfway across the river, the frog felt a subtle motion on its back, and in a panic dived deep beneath the rushing waters, leaving the scorpion to drown.
“It was going to sting me anyway,” muttered the frog, emerging on the other side of the river. “It was inevitable. You all knew it. Everyone knows what those scorpions are like. It was self-defense.”
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…But no sooner had they cast off from the bank, the frog felt the tip of a stinger pressed lightly against the back of its neck. “What do you think you’re doing?” said the frog.
“Just a precaution,” said the scorpion. “I cannot sting you without drowning. And now, you cannot drown me without being stung. Fair’s fair, isn’t it?”
They swam in silence to the other end of the river, where the scorpion climbed off, leaving the frog fuming.
“After the kindness I showed you!” said the frog. “And you threatened to kill me in return?”
“Kindness?” said the scorpion. “To only invite me on your back after you knew I was defenseless, unable to use my tail without killing myself? My dear frog, I only treated you as I was treated. Your kindness was as poisoned as a scorpion’s sting.”
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…“Just a precaution,” said the scorpion. “I cannot sting you without drowning. And now, you cannot drown me without being stung. Fair’s fair, isn’t it?”
“You have a point,” the frog acknowledged. “But once we get to dry land, couldn’t you sting me then without repercussion?”
“All I want is to cross the river safely,” said the scorpion. “Once I’m on the other side I would gladly let you be.”
“But I would have to trust you on that,” said the frog. “While you’re pressing a stinger to my neck. By ferrying you to land I’d be be giving up the one deterrent I hold over you.”
“But by the same logic, I can’t possibly withdraw my stinger while we’re still over water,” the scorpion protested.
The frog paused in the middle of the river, treading water. “So, I suppose we’re at an impasse.”
The river rushed around them. The scorpion’s stinger twitched against the frog’s unbroken skin. “I suppose so,” the scorpion said.
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A scorpion, not knowing how to swim, asked a frog to carry it across the river. “Absolutely not!” said the frog, and dived beneath the waters, and so none of them learned anything.
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A scorpion, being unable to swim, asked a turtle (as in the original Persian version of the fable) to carry it across the river. The turtle readily agreed, and allowed the scorpion aboard its shell. Halfway across, the scorpion gave in to its nature and stung, but failed to penetrate the turtle’s thick shell. The turtle, swimming placidly, failed to notice.
They reached the other side of the river, and parted ways as friends.
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…Halfway across, the scorpion gave in to its nature and stung, but failed to penetrate the turtle’s thick shell.
The turtle, hearing the tap of the scorpion’s sting, was offended at the scorpion’s ungratefulness. Thankfully, having been granted the powers to both defend itself and to punish evil, the turtle sank beneath the waters and drowned the scorpion out of principle.
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A scorpion, not knowing how to swim, asked a frog to carry it across the river. “Do I look like a fool?” sneered the frog. “You’d sting me if I let you on my back.”
The scorpion pleaded earnestly. “Do you think so little of me? Please, I must cross the river. What would I gain from stinging you? I would only end up drowning myself!”
“That’s true,” the frog acknowledged. “Even a scorpion knows to look out for its own skin. Climb aboard, then!”
But as they forged through the rushing waters, the scorpion grew worried. This frog thinks me a ruthless killer, it thought. Would it not be justified in throwing me off now and ridding the world of me? Why else would it agree to this? Every jostle made the scorpion more and more anxious, until the frog surged forward with a particularly large splash, and in panic the scorpion lashed out with its stinger.
“I knew it,” snarled the frog, as they both thrashed and drowned. “A scorpion cannot change its nature.”
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A scorpion, not knowing how to swim, asked a frog to carry it across the river. The frog agreed, but no sooner than they were halfway across the scorpion stung the frog, and they both began to thrash and drown.
“I’ve only myself to blame,” sighed the frog, as they both sank beneath the waters. “You, you’re a scorpion, I couldn’t have expected anything better. But I knew better, and yet I went against my judgement! And now I’ve doomed us both!”
“You couldn’t help it,” said the scorpion mildly. “It’s your nature.”
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…“Why on earth did you do that?” the frog said morosely. “Now we’re both going to die.”
“Alas, I was of two natures,” said the scorpion. “One said to gratefully ride your back across the river, and the other said to sting you where you stood. And so both fought, and neither won.” It smiled wistfully. “Ah, it would be nice to be just one thing, wouldn’t it? Unadulterated in nature. Without the capacity for conflict or regret.”
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“By the way,” said the frog, as they swam, “I’ve been meaning to ask: What’s on the other side of the river?”
“It’s the journey,” said the scorpion. “Not the destination.”
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…“What’s on the other side of anything?” said the scorpion. “A new beginning.”
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…”Another scorpion to mate with,” said the scorpion. “And more prey to kill, and more living bodies to poison, and a forthcoming lineage of cruelties that you will be culpable in.”
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…”Nothing we will live to see, I fear,” said the scorpion. “Already the currents are growing stronger, and the river seems like it shall swallow us both. We surge forward, and the shoreline recedes. But does that mean our striving was in vain?”
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“I love you,” said the scorpion.
The frog glanced upward. “Do you?”
“Absolutely. Can you imagine the fear of drowning? Of course not. You’re a frog. Might as well be scared of breathing air. And yet here I am, clinging to your back, as the waters rage around us. Isn’t that love? Isn’t that trust? Isn’t that necessity? I could not kill you without killing myself. Are we not inseparable in this?”
The frog swam on, the both of them silent.
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“I’m so tired,” murmured the frog eventually. “How much further to the other side? I don’t know how long we’ve been swimming. I’ve been treading water. And it’s getting so very dark.”
“Shh,” the scorpion said. “Don’t be afraid.”
The frog’s legs kicked out weakly. “How long has it been? We’re lost. We’re lost! We’re doomed to be cast about the waters forever. There is no land. There’s nothing on the other side, don’t you see!”
“Shh, shh,” said the scorpion. “My venom is a hallucinogenic. Beneath its surface, the river is endlessly deep, its currents carrying many things.”
“You - You’ve killed us both,” said the frog, and began to laugh deliriously. “Is this - is this what it’s like to drown?”
“We’ve killed each other,” said the scorpion soothingly. “My venom in my glands now pulsing through your veins, the waters of your birthing pool suffusing my lungs. We are engulfing each other now, drowning in each other. I am breathless. Do you feel it? Do you feel my sting pierced through your heart?”
“What a foolish thing to do,” murmured the frog. “No logic. No logic to it at all.”
“We couldn’t help it,” whispered the scorpion. “It’s our natures. Why else does anything in the world happen? Because we were made for this from birth, darling, every moment inexplicable and inevitable. What a crazy thing it is to fall in love, and yet - It’s all our fault! We are both blameless. We’re together now, darling. It couldn’t have happened any other way.”
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“It’s funny,” said the frog. “I can’t say that I trust you, really. Or that I even think very much of you and that nasty little stinger of yours to begin with. But I’m doing this for you regardless. It’s strange, isn’t it? It’s strange. Why would I do this? I want to help you, want to go out of my way to help you. I let you climb right onto my back! Now, whyever would I go and do a foolish thing like that?”
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A scorpion, not knowing how to swim, asked a frog to carry it across the river. “Do I look like a fool?” said the frog. “You’d sting me if I let you on my back!”
“Be logical,” said the scorpion. “If I stung you I’d certainly drown myself.”
“That’s true,” the frog acknowledged. “Come aboard, then!” But no sooner had the scorpion mounted the frog’s back than it began to sting, repeatedly, while still safely on the river’s bank.
The frog groaned, thrashing weakly as the venom coursed through its veins, beginning to liquefy its flesh. “Ah,” it muttered. “For some reason I never considered this possibility.”
“Because you were never scared of me,” the scorpion whispered in its ear. “You were never scared of dying. In a past life you wore a shell and sat in judgement. And then you were reborn: soft-skinned, swift, unburdened, as new and vulnerable as a child, moving anew through a world of children. How could anyone ever be cruel, you thought, seeing the precariousness of it all?” The scorpion bowed its head and drank. “How could anyone kill you without killing themselves?”
Hi feel free to ignore this but I just saw AC for the first time & wanted to rant. I didn’t see it while it was still airing so I know I’m kind of late but after Endgame and the Captain Carter bullshit in What If and MoM I just wanted to see how AC fit in that timeline (though apparently it doesn’t? I heard something about it not being canon anymore but idk). To me the show is just a gross overestimation of Peggy’s value to Steve & the general storyline of TFA. To the point where there are glaring inconsistencies between the show & the first movie.
First, we have Jarvis saying “Rogers relied on you for strategy, courage and moral support” Um, where? The only time she offers him any “strategy” is while he was flying over Azzano, and he literally proceeds to ignore that. And saying that Steve needs help with courage and moral support is (especially from a Nazi employer) is disrespectful, not to mention inaccurate considering how she tried to talk him out of sacrificing himself to save his (boy)friend — which he also proceeded to ignore.
Then we have the Howlies episode. I could talk about it for days I swear. Girl you weren’t even on a first name basis with Bucky when he died and you certainly weren’t in mainland Europe with them (otherwise you’d have been in the footage), when have you become such close friends with them that they’d literally drop their mission in the middle of Europe in the brink of Cold War to help you and your merry band of sexist idiots? Lmao spare me. Also I cackled at Jack saying “You guys fought with Captain America right?” and Dugan replying “Yeah but she fought with him longer” WHERE? Again, she wasn’t in mainland Europe, she was in a safe bunk in London with the other bigshots. Yeah she knew him before they did, but given the time they spent together there’s no way she was closer to him than they were & having fought beside him is absolutely out of question. And of course, Peggy chastising Dugan “[Steve] would say do as Peggy says” Girl HE doesn’t even do as you say lmao. And to top it off, Ms Hydra Union Jack had the audacity to say, “It’s time I put my days in the frontlines behind me” I’m sorry but when were you EVER in the frontlines? Frontlines means you’d have to be in battleground so even if she were spying (which she wasn’t, she was off being a glorified secretary to Stark & Phillips) she still wouldn’t be in the frontlines. Not to mention the audacity of Howlies of never mentioning Bucky ever. Like, he was one of you, you fought side by side for over a year, and he died trying to protect you all. Not even a word? Insanity. They were acting like instead of Bucky there was Peggy, like he never existed. It was so forced and uncomfortable to watch.
There’s also the pathetic attempts to create parallels between Peggy and Steve. Like “Captain’s orders”/“Peggy’s orders”. “I’ll only step on your toes”. And “We’d die before we surrender” shit in the Howlies episode I can only assume is a tribute to some other Captain America quote, but honestly by that point I was cackling so hard I couldn’t really listen. In S2 her brother tells her she was “meant for more than this”. Given that event takes place earlier in the timeline people think she was quoting his brother while saying that to Steve, but imo it’s obvious that the scene with her brother is the afterthought and they were just trying to force some connection between Steve and her.
This is probably me reading into it but I don’t think she took the picture of skinny Steve out of some affection (she only talked to him once when he was skinny and it was with his prompting — and her interest mostly seemed to come from the fact that he didn’t sexualize her like other men did. I don’t see a romantic interest in that scene). That photo was the only photo in the file, and of course as Captain America’s one and onlyTM, she couldn’t have cut out a picture from a newspaper like a pleb. She took that photo because it was personal, confidential; not many people could have access to it. It was just her way of reinforcing (even if it’s just for herself) that she knew “the real Steve” in my opinion. And she does that a lot, like when she said to Dottie, “Go to Brooklyn where the spirit of Lady Liberty is found in its people”. She doesn’t know that Dottie knows her real identity so she isn’t stunting or anything, she’s just affirming to herself that he was hers. If he weren’t dead I’d say she was manifesting lmao.
And of course, there are so many shortcomings in the representation aspect of the show (how they represent women that aren’t Peggy; the lack of representation of POC and LGBT+; the fact that they forced Peggy into a love triangle with a black and a disabled man and paraded this as a testimony to Peggy’s humaneness, as if Peggy being attracted to them is a gift they were bestowed upon for epic heroism despite their obvious “flaws”) but this ask is too long as it is already. Sorry if I took up your inbox with this!!
Oh no I won’t ignore this, I love a good rant! And it’s always gratifying to see someone else who’s as exasperated by all this as I am!
I’ve said it before, but the show is really trying hard to push the idea that they were depicting Carter in CATFA...
Only, they can’t actually use any of Carter’s comics backstory to fill her out (about being from Virginia, having a surname with cachet, to Americans, being in the French Resistance, etc.) because... she isn’t Carter, she’s Cynthia.
Quite apart from everything you rightly listed, on top of being disingenuous, the events of AC are literally impossible within the main timeline of the MCU.
Because it’s set at a time when the films and the AC short told us that she and Howard had already co-founded SHIELD, and when Zola was supposed to be free from captivity and under their employ (along with all those other Nazi scientists).
It really, really bloody-mindedly went out of its way to wipe Bucky from the history.
Some egregious moments I recall:
‘Steve I am just as disadvantaged as you!’ But... she attended a girls public school, tells childhood stories which show she has always had rude health, grew up in a house in the country, Bletchley hires her when it’s debutants-only (during the Depression!), her fiancée works for the Home Office, her brother’s Old Boy Network gets her a job in the SOE sight unseen, she’s got so much spare cash she can quit a job and a marriage without worrying about it, she has a new dress every five seconds, (Steve cannot afford a new suit for his own mother’s funeral) her daddy’s friends with a US Senator, and she spends half her screen time using the services of a Butler as if it’s no novelty at all... This woman has been born with every single kind of silver spoon shoved down her rapacious gullet.
The Captain America radio show where Steve’s ‘love interest’ is a woman called Betty Carver who needs to be rescued by Steve (which is how you can tell she’s his love interest... So... they agree...? Bucky was his love interest??) that Pggy sneers at and asks to have turned off.
Her stealing more of Steve and Bucky’s (welterweight champ) boxing backstory, but then never winning any fights by boxing, only by using a judo throw her brother taught her (of course!) or by smashing people in the head with inanimate objects. Even when she’s fighting another woman??
(And using Steve’s fight style, as if to imply he learned that from her -- the woman who throws temper tantrums and can’t hit a saboteur with five separate shots? Don’t make me laugh! Not... y’know... the guy he actually grew up fighting alongside? who taught him how to box??)
Waiting until she personally is under attack from her male colleagues (after being unveiled as two-faced), to suddenly protest misogyny in the workplace... (But she has been happily shoving secretarial work off onto other women and will only resort to using other women in the field when her hands are tied)
And arguing that her gender gives her more insight as a spy than they have... But meanwhile, she has failed to notice that an actual competent spy has moved in next door to her and doesn’t clock her until the woman is literally kissing her full on the mouth. 🤦♀️
Also, brilliant spy Pggy... who has to turn her head away from cameras when she’s out on mission and in disguise... because her disguise is so shoddy that it’s not good enough to fool even the dumbass male colleagues who... she says... don’t pay any attention to her anyway (Contrast: actually-competent spy Natasha who is so good at disguising herself that not even the audience can clock her until she reveals herself.)
Later looking with skepticism at the fat receptionist agent Rose, but then hypocritically criticising her male colleagues for voicing exactly the same doubts as she had... saying Souza sounds like Jack. But... Souza sounds like her? So... if Jack is this misogynist boor who doesn’t recognise other women’s worth. And she sounds like Jack? So they agree? She isn’t a feminist??
Not-Nazi-Spy-Cynthia-at-all-honestly getting the only named Jewish woman in the entire MCU rendered infertile (in other words, sterilised...) by a single gunshot. But Pggy is literally impaled and yet still gets to walk away with all her fertility in tact, apparently? (DOG. FRICKIN’. WHISTLE.)
The ‘do what Pggy says’ line was laugh out loud idiotic I agree, given that Steve never once listened to the unsolicited opinions she so graciously bestowed upon him wherever he went.
This also bafflingly contradicts Peggy’s whining to Steve in CATFA that she is undervalued, if they’re later saying that, actually, she was valued during the war. (Oh? So the one thing they tried to make it sound like she and Steve had in common to explain why they would talk to each other ... they, actually, didn’t, then? Which is it??)
They genuinely don’t seem to understand that a spy is not the same thing as a commando, either. (She’s bad enough at spying and handling guns anyway without broadening her non-remit!) There were no female commandos! And even if there had been, she wasn’t with them, as you say, she was either watching the Commandos from a cinema seat or looking at maps in a bunker, both in London!
She wasn’t even spying, because what use is an Allied spy in London? Whom is she spying on? (Nazi Cynthia was there because that’s where a Nazi spy would naturally be.) And no commando goes around with perfect hair and make up in the middle of a bleedin’ war zone!
It’s only true to say she fought ‘with’ Steve in the sense that she argued ‘with’ him and was ignored by him (and lost her temper about it, like an abusive partner). She was in one (1) grand battle, alongside Phillips and Stark, and no one is going around saying the old man and the scientist ‘fought with’ Steve, because that’s preposterous. Just the designated Sexy Lamp who is only valid if she does man’s stuff.
(She only knew of Steve a week before his serum injection, but never spoke to him, nor was spoken to by him, only spoke to him once before injection, with apparent reluctance. And then had no communication with him for the 4/5 months between that date and him arriving in Europe.
If they had been communicating, he would not have been surprised about her presence in Europe, and she would have known the 107 was significant to him. But he was, and she didn’t, so they weren’t. The chorus girls spent more time with Steve than she did. Heck, by the time Steve and the Howlies marched back into camp, he had spent more time with them than he had ever spent with Pggy.)
It’s genuinely upsetting and frankly unforgivable of them to suggest that Bucky wouldn’t warrant a mention by his own brothers in arms when he’s the only reason they’re alive. And he’s the one who assembled them for Steve in the first place -- he picked them, he told Steve who to go to. (Which is why he said ‘I told you so’ to Steve when the guys accepted his offer to join up. Bucky already knew them better than Steve; well enough to correctly predict their behaviour). Proximity to Bucky completely altered their lives. But they never mention him...? It’s not just rude and unlikely; it’s downright cruel.
ITA with you about the ‘meant for more’ line. They were making a feeble attempt to force a retcon that Pggy’s words to Steve were as inspiring for him as her brother’s words were for her. But... uh... they weren’t?? In the film they’re actually a paraphrase of Steve’s own words about Erskine: “he deserved more than this...” (the one who actually recognised his worth, and did something about it -- not her).
And Steve didn’t listen or jump up when Pggy said that ^. He jumped up when he found out Bucky was in danger. (And then only quoted those words as a way to throw them back in her face when she was getting in his way. Steve only ever uses Pggy’s words to silence her; not to support her.)
The only reason Pggy had to be the character to pass on the info about the 107 in that scene (and not, say, Howard), is so they can de-gay Steve’s concern for Bucky by reframing it as him wanting to do something heroic to Impress a Gurl. But this has never and will never be Steve’s motivation. He’s not Tony!
The irony of the scene where Jarvis says Stark said Steve relied on Pggy (demonstrably untrue; following him around mansplaining and being ignored, or being visited while dying in hospital, is not the same thing as ‘being relied upon’)... is that it reveals that canny Jarvis has realised kissing Pggy’s arse (by mentioning as many male acolytes as possible in a sentence) is the only way to make her listen.
Since her own views and self-image are the only things that matter to her ("anyone else's opinion doesn't really matter") the only time a suggestion will be seen as valid, by Pggy, is if someone can convince her it was her own idea, or the idea of someone who thinks she’s marvellous (preferably a powerful man.) And Steve’s worth is directly proportional to his interest in her, in her eyes; the second he seems interested in someone else, she’s sneering at him and everything he values.
The interactions of ‘MCU Pggy’ and pre-serum Steve are direct adaptations of comicbook scenes of a Nazi spy talking to him (a disabled man). (There were no scenes of comicbook Pggy and pre-serum Steve interacting because she was undercover in France when he was in Project ReBirth and didn’t meet him until after serum).
This is set at a time when disabled children in Nazi Germany were routinely packed off to sanitoria, quietly euthanised, their remains cremated, and then posted back to their parents in urns (with, typically, a note saying they died of TB... which Steve’s mother died of).
That Pggy/Cynthia character was (briefly) acting like a mother waiting outside a doctor’s appointment with their child... She is not being nice. She is, at best, pitying. And when you put these things together, in context, the maternal vibe she gives off as she’s ushering (orphaned friendless disposable) Steve into a lab for his possibly lethal injection... when she’s already admired him for being willing to destroy his ‘life unworthy of life’ with a grenade... it’s actually quite chilling. 😬
Because they went with their weird incel-Cap ‘he’s only fighting Fascism to not be emasculated by women’s lack of interest in him as a disabled loser!! not because he’s Antifa or cares about his male ‘friend’!!!’ take on Steve, he and she come off as only having nonsensical unwarranted self-pity in common. (Nonsensical because being disabled should not be framed as some kind of reason for singlehood, and Antifa Steve is not the type to see disability as an albatross. The first direct interaction with Pggy is not a compliment either -- it’s a neg. ‘What’s a girl doing in the army, anyway??’ As if the son of a single mother would ever think this way!)
The taking of the photograph really comes off as obsessive and parasocial. Compare the difference between this and Bucky taking a picture of Steve from the Cap exhibit. He’s brain damaged, mentally unwell, utterly powerless and alone, on the run, and he at least actually grew up with Steve, so is probably replacing lost personal photographs of Steve he would’ve once owned (and they may even be crucial to his recovery). She on the other hand is just abusing her position to be a creep about an employee’s private deets and then displaying him in her office like a hunter’s trophy. 🤢 (Picture a man doing this to a woman...)
And it’s yet another thing they’ve done that contradicts the idea of she and Steve ever being close or spending any significant amount of time together. What kind of WWII couple wouldn’t exchange sweetheart photos? How little time were they ever together, if passing a small paper object between them was not physically possible? And why is he only carrying hers (in propaganda showreels??) after she has been physically violent about him showing a lack of interest?
And it’s another piece of total tone deafness for a posh Englishwoman to be extolling Brooklyn like she’s from there (or knows anyone who is). Praising the same ‘people’ she was happy to have blown up by bombs (twice) and caught in gun crossfire because she failed to prevent the SSR being sabotaged -- when that was, allegedly, her responsibility (making that, uh, the first of four times that’s happened on her watch?? Apparently she is useless in every universe!) ...and then couldn’t hit a man in a taxi (with someone else’s stolen gun) when it was driving right at her. And who cares if the ‘people’ get smashed by swerving cars in the meantime, right? Just like the Winter Soldier! Such a woman of the people!
Also ludicrous to have her invoking ‘Lady Liberty.’ Uhh, yeah, remind me again Pggy, who were the Americans seeking ‘liberty’ from?? And which class of people in society were overthrown in the revolution which originated that figure?? This is such bad character adaptation it wouldn’t even make sense coming from comics Pggy, who’s unlikely to praise the poor of New York, as a rich Southerner.
And, yeah, the whole thing of going out of their way to throw people at Peggy’s feet? The disabled man, the black man, the sapphic spy, the fat receptionist. It smacks of Mary Sue, ‘so perfect everyone loves her even the villains!!’ ‘so humble she’ll even stoop low enough to be nice to These People!!’
(Yet, for some reason, comics Pggy’s romance with Gabriel Jones isn’t good enough to mention? Oh, right, because this (totally-not-a-Fascist-Barbie-honestly) woman is obsessed with large strong blue-eyed blonde men, like her pre-war fiancee Fred Wells.)
They inadvertently show that they cannot see anything these folks would have in common with Peggy outside of sex or gender. (Which... given that they are, variously: kind, clever, courageous, prudent, self-made, funny, badass, and super competent at their jobs... yeah no wonder their only connection to Peggy is physical! She’s all PoshgirlSMASH! and they’re all compassion and intellect.) And they’re not valid as characters in their own right. Oh no, they’re valid because they worship Saint Margaret as she expects! They’re there to play LeFou to her Gaston, nothing more.
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