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You Have No Idea What I’m Capable of.

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totallyfubar

Three dimensional characters for the win.

“It feels better, right?” is the part that gets me, because it explains everything about Flash ever.

hi everyone can hate on amazing spiderman all they want but ndklnfklngsksfkjnsn this is how you write a real person

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Flash being the first person to approach Peter with the genuine intention of trying to comfort him after Uncle Ben’s death + the allusions to Flash’s incredibly abusive home life that manifests at school because he’s a kid who doesn’t know how to handle his emotions delivered all in four words = good fucking scene, great fucking understanding of both Peter Parker and Flash Thompson.

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Obviously i wish Zeb Wells no ill will, but this is the Marvel Universe he's writing, not the Raimiverse.

I'm pretty sure the first time Peter met Norman was as the Green Goblin and Peter didn't see Norman's true face until ASM Vol. 1 #37 (1966). Also, the only time Norman saw Peter as his "son" was in Peter Parker: Spider-Man Vol. 1 #25 (2000) where he tortures him both physically and psychologically for 2 days so Peter can become his Goblin protégé.

Nick Spencer has done a decent job for put a stop to that moment about Norman ever being a father figure to Peter in AMS Vol. 5 #57 (2018).

So nah dude, i'm not buying this moment.

[from the Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 6 #32 (August 23, 2023) by Zeb Wells (script), Patrick Gleason (pencils & inks), Marcio Menyz (colors) and VC's Joe Caramagna (letters)]

Peter would NEVER think this. He'd never believe that the 'real Norman' is anything other than exactly the guy he has known all these years.

Peter was literally put in a machine which made him experience Norman's memories from Norman's POV. He saw what shaped Norman into a monster, but also that Norman displayed psychopathic tendencies even as a child, such as killing his dog. His father was an alcoholic, Harry was a drug addict. Norman is a power addict.

Norman might have turned out differently if he'd grown up in a different environment, but the fact is he didn't. He is and always was a piece of shit sadistic monster. Peter isn't going to write off ALL of the truely heinous things Norman has done to both him and his loved ones.

Moreover, as the OP pointed out, Norman and Peter's 'father-son' relationship was only explicit in 2000. Before that, whilst you could argue Norman on some level di always see Peter as the son he always wanted, Peter never looked upon Norman as a father figure. Norman as a dark father figure to Peter has always been symbollic and thematic in so far as Norman is a father and defined by that attribute to a large extent, therefore in fighting him Peter is fighting the anti-Uncle Ben. It didn't mean he was his personal anti-Uncle Ben though.

The fact Wells doesn't know this speaks to either his honestly unforgivable lack of knowledge on Spider-Man (this isn't deep lore, it is within the first 50-100 issues of Stan Lee's run, basic shit) or that he honestly doesn't give a shit.

I personally think it is a combination of both.

Zeb Wells was never qualified to write for Spider-Man. Ever.

His one and only good Spider-Man story was an issue of an anthology comic book during the early-mid 2000s which wasn't even about Spider-Man, it was about J. Jonah Jameson.

Back then Wells was the fill in guy. He was busted out whenever there was a gap in the regular writing team or there was a mini or one shot that needed writing. He was never anyone's first choice and frankly his work was at best mediocre. Usually it was simply bad.

And that was all BEFORE he wrote the ultimate character evisceration of the Lizard in the form of 'Shed', a story so awful even Dan Slott ecognised he needed to do some repair work on it. It took THREE stories to get the Lizard in any kind of working order as a character and even then that is debatable.

In that story Wells had Spidey surprised the Lizard could talk, something that the character had been doing since literally his first ever appearance in the early 1960s. That is how bad Zeb Wells is.

This man has been an utter clown where Spider-Man is concerned for literally over 20 years. The fact that he was dusted off and allowed to take point during the post-Spencer era and then become the main writer I think speaks to Marvel's desperation more than anything.

Along with dusting off Ben Reilly as Peter's glorified understudy it is just weird.

I honestly think that there was some behind-the-scenes drama involved with Spencer's departure and then combined with the mainstream comic book industry (entirely justifiably) dying it resulted in few writers even wanting to write for Spider-Man in the first place. Wells was thus the last resort option.

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Oh, this again...

Norman Osborn's purpose, as you can read in the classic stories and later years (even a reason of contempt between Lee and Ditko), was not to be just anybody, but to be a powerful rich man that craves power and belittles everyone else unworthy in his eyes.

The Family angle is more recent, but not unwelcome. Norman sees himself in Peter, and not much in Harry.

Harry Osborn was not strong because he folded under his father's abuse, and Norman thinks himself stronger despite the abuse he himself had suffered.

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Father of the Year, right there.

In the Ultimate Comics, Norman even associates Peter's worth to be because of Norman himself.

Peter acquired powers because of a genetically modified spider from Oscorp, and Oscorp is Norman's company, therefore Peter's greatness is because of Norman, and so Peter himself is Osborn's.

Peter is his 'heir' because, to Norman's eskewed mind, Peter is his creation, his property, one that should obey him or be punished in return.

Yikes.

The big twist in the (badly written and badly drawn) Ultimate Sinister Six Comics is Osborn's rampage over NY to complete his team with the help of his son, and the reveal that he meant it to be Spider-Man, not Harry.

(I assure you, despite what you may think, that's supposed to be Peter Parker.)

Mainstream Peter was always someone Norman felt worthy of power, but hates because does not use this power to improve himself, but the world.

And the current problem is that people like Wells and many others always try to see Peter Parker/Spider-Man in a very focused manner:

Peter is powerful and smart, so he should use these qualities to better himself. His great powers should serve himself.

But Peter is not an industrialist.

Peter is not Tony Stark.

Peter is definitely not Norman Osborn.

And Peter sure as heck is not the bad guy.

Unless you are Zeb Wells and modern Spider-Man writers.

Then Peter Parker can be all those things, and less.

Spot on mate.

I find it repugnant that modern writers (and too many fans) essentially view Peter as not living up to his potential if he doesn't become Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark. As if that is both the natural evolution for his character/the ultimate end goal that everyone should strive for.

What if I told you that you, me, and anyone else don't have to be millionaires to be successful, or happy, or ultimately fulfilled by life?

What if that maybe that is the goal most people should strive for given the reality that most people are not and are unlikely to be millionaires?

What if Peter, who was created to be the everyman superhero, SHOULD reflect that.

And arguably that was WHY his archnemesis was a rich, powerful man who at face value had it all but it wasn't enough for him because deep down he was a twisted piece of shit who was long ago consumed by his inner demons.

Also, I find it WEIRD that this is a prevalent issue with Spider-Man specifically when Superman also obviously has the potential to be rich, successful and own his own business but doesn't. He is content and fulfilled just being a journalist who's family has a farm and he uses his Godlike powers to help people where and when he can. beyond that, he is ultimately happy spending time with his friends and family. And, not for nothing, since 1987 his archnemesis has been an evil businessman with a huge tech conglomerate too. But his best friend is also a businessman with a big company???

Gosh...its almost as these superhero comics are trying to say that being uber rich and successful via a huge business ISN'T the ultimate decider for personal happiness and worth? MAYBE it's actually all about who you are as a person on the inside or something?

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"Mood" (1/1)

Tenko meets Eri and almost gives Aizawa a heart attack 🙃

[Shiggy-Endeavor Agency AU]

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If I had a nickel for every time I shipped the hell out of a tension-ridden dynamic between an emotionally damaged, badass redhead with green eyes and her blonde, blue-eyed himbo love interest, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice

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avatarconner

Wait…….FUCK

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Mara: Two for Oppenheimer.

Luke: And two for Barbie.

You know that Luke/Mara would definitely do the Barbenheimer double feature.

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