hi this is esp for all the bollywood fans out there, can we maybe as a community NOT applaud and support films that promote the whole Hindu = good / Muslim = evil ideology, especially when they are blatantly inaccurate + obviously perpetuate a biased and unfair telling of history that strays quite far from the actual facts? Can we also maybe not support films that glorify practices like Sati (the idea that any honorable or self respecting Hindu woman would throw herself onto her husband’s funeral pyre bc the thought of living without him isn’t feasible) and Jahur (the practice of mass self immolation of Hindu women to avoid being enslaved, captured, and or raped by foreign invaders)?
I could go on but point is Padmavaat is 2 hours and 44 minutes of reductive and harmful storytelling, one that does nothing to propel Indian society (in an academic, economic, cultural or even socio-political way) forward and instead just continues a really gross and harmful narrative about womanhood/women’s right to live/women’s worth being tied to their ‘sexual purity’ as well as a movie that v clearly presents anti Muslim rhetoric.
I’m all for artistic freedom and I don’t think the censor board handled this well (lol do they ever) but I do also believe in being critical of the media you choose to endorse and consume.
TLDR; screw Sanjay Leela Bhansali and his repetitive and frankly gross storytelling. We, as a film-going and diverse community, deserve and should strive for better.
The film did not glorify sati. IT SHOWED JAUHAR! Jauhar!!!!!
The film was not Islamophobic.
The film just showed history.
Many hindu women burned themselves to death during the Islamic invasions.
Jauhar, sometimes spelled Jowhar or Juhar was a Hindu Rajput practice of mass self-immolation by women and girls, in the Indian subcontinent, to avoid capture, enslavement and rape by Turko-Persian Islamic invaders, when facing certain defeat during a war. Some reports of jauhar mention women committing self-immolation along with their children. This practice was historically observed in northwest regions of India, with most famous jauhars in recorded history occurring during wars between Hindu Rajput kingdoms in Rajasthan and the opposing Turko-Persian Muslim armies. However jauhar is performed during war, usually when there was no chance of victory. The practice was accompanied by saka, or a last stand where all the males used to die fighting in the battlefield instead of surrendering.
Jauhar by Hindu kingdoms has been documented by Muslim historians of the Turko-Persian Delhi Sultanate, and the Mughal Empire. Among the often cited example of jauhar has been the mass suicide committed in 1303 CE by the women of Chittorgarh fort in Rajasthan, faced with invading army of Khalji dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate. The jauhar phenomenon was also observed in other parts of India, such as in the Kampili kingdom of northern Karnataka when it fell in 1327 to Delhi Sultanate armies.
There is an annual celebration of heroism called the Jauhar Mela in Chittorgarh where the ancestors are commemorated.
The many jauhars that happened-
1. Jauhar of Sindh: Muhammad bin Qasim
In 712, Muhammed bin Qasim with his army attacked kingdoms of western regions of the Indian subcontinent. He laid siege to the capital of Raja Dahir, then the Hindu king in a part of Sind. After Dahir had been killed, the queen (Ladi) coordinated the defense of the capital for several months. As the food supplies ran out, she and the women of the capital refused to surrender, lit pyres and committed jauhar. The remaining men walked out to their deaths at the hands of the invading army.
2. Jauhar of Gwalior: Iltutmish
Shams ud-Din Iltutmish of the Delhi Sultanate attacked Gwalior in 1232, then under control of the Rajputs. The Rajput women committed jauhar instead of submitting to Iltutmish’s army. The place where the women committed mass suicide is known as Jauhar-tal (or Johar kund, Jauhar Tank) in the northern end of the Gwalior fort.
3. Jauhar of Ranthambore: Alauddin Khalji
In 1301, Alauddin Khalji of Delhi Sultanate besieged and conquered the Ranthambore fort. When faced with a certain defeat, the defending ruler Hammiradeva decided to fight to death with his soldiers, and his minister Jaja supervised the organization of a jauhar. The queens, daughters and other female relatives of Hammira Deva committed jauhar.
Hammira Dev’s wife Rani Rang Devi and his daughter Padmala all along with other women took the decision of jauhar to protect their honour from the Islamic Invaders and die in the glorious tradition of the Rajputs. However, they found no time to arrange for huge sacrificial fire alter to go through the jauhar, thus, they committed jauhar by jumping into the reservoir at the fort. In her honour that reservoir has been named “Padmala Talav”
The jauhar at Ranthambore has been described by Alauddin’s courtier Amir Khusrau,which makes it the first jauhar to be described in a Persian language text.
4. Jauhar of Kampili: Muhammad bin Tughluq
The Hindu women of the Kampili kingdom of northern Karnataka committed jauhar when it fell in 1327 to Delhi Sultanate armies of Muhammad bin Tughluq.
5. Jauhar of Chanderi: Babur
The Hindu Rajput king Medini Rai ruled over Chanderi in northern Madhya Pradesh in early 16th century. He tried to help Rana Sanga in the Battle of Khanua against the Muslim armies of Babur, the founder of the Mughal Empire. In January 1528 CE, his fort was overwhelmed by the invading forces of Babur. The women and children of the Chanderi fort committed jauhar, the men dressed up in saffron garments and walked the ritual of saka on 29 January.
6. Second Jauhar of Chittor: Bahadur Shah
Rana Sanga died in 1528 CE after the Battle of Khanwa. Shortly afterwards, Mewar and Chittor came under the regency of his widow, Rani Karnavati. The kingdom was besieged by Bahadur Shah of Gujarat. Rani committed Jauhar with other women on 8 March 1535, while the Rajput army rallied out to meet the besieging Muslim army and committed saka.
7. Third Jauhar of Chittor: Akbar
The armies of Mughal Emperor Akbar besieged the Rajput fort of Chittor in September 1567. After his army conquered Chittorgarh in Rajasthan, Hindu women committed jauhar in spring of 1568 CE, and the next morning, thousands of Rajput men walked the saka ritual. The Mughal army killed all the Rajputs who walked out the fort. Abu'l-Fazl ibn Mubarak, who was not an immediate witness, gave a hearsay account of the event as seen by Akbar and his army. Abu'l-Fazl states that the women were victims of Rajput men and unwilling participants, and these Rajputs came out walking to die, throwing away their lives. According to David Smith, when Akbar entered the Chittorgarh fort in 1568, it was “nothing but an immense crematorium”.
According to Lindsey Harlan, the jauhar of 1568 is a part of regional legend and is locally remembered on the Hindu festival of Holi as a day of Chittorgarh massacre by the Akbar army, with “the red color signifying the blood that flowed on that day”.
8. Three Jauhars of Raisen: Humayun
Raisen in Madhya Pradesh was repeatedly attacked by the Mughal Army in the early 16th century. In 1528, the first jauhar was led by Rani Chanderi. After the Mughal army left, the kingdom refused to accept orders from Delhi. After a long siege of Raisen fort, that exhausted all supplies within the fort, Rani Durgavati and 700 Raisen women committed the second jauhar in 1532 while the men led by Lakshman Tuar committed saka. This refusal to submit to Mughal rule repeated, and in 1543 the third jauhar was led by Rani Ratnavali.
9. Jauhar of Bundelkhand: Aurangzeb
Aurangzeb with vast army laid siege to Bundela in Madhya Pradesh in December 1634 CE. The resident women committed jauhar as the fort fell. Those who had not completed the ritual and survived the jauhar in progress were forced into the harem. Men were forced to convert to Islam whereas those who refused were executed.
10. Jauhar of Daddanala: Mir Fazlullah
In 1710 CE, Mir Fazlullah, a rebel Mughal amir, invaded Daddanala, a town in the Prakasam District of Andhra Pradesh that was the capital of the Dupati Sayapaneni Nayaks. As Sayapaneni Pedda Venkatadri Nayudu, who was in charge, died during the conflict, all the assembled Sayapaneni women set fire to the houses in the fort and were burnt to death. The five-year-old prince Mallikarjuna Nayudu was saved by a maidservant who had smuggled him out through an orifice in the walls of the fort and was raised by his relatives.
This is a fact.
Idk why you are trying to put some sort of censor or a “glorification” tag on a movie that is just trying to show for the first time in this country’s history the way these women preferred to die instead of falling to slavery and assault at the hands of the killers of the men in their family.
You are not only desecrating their memory but also downplaying their sacrifice.
THIS IS ALL FACT!
Please Stop negating history.
Like just stop!
No @rhysaka 😔👎🏻 you don’t understand, showing history where islamic invaders destroyed uncountable temples, kidnapped women and children, enslaved women as sex slaves, burned our entire wealth of knowledge, forced taxes just for being non-muslim on our own land, stole our idols and it’s gems, threw it on the footsteps in Agra so they can be stepped on by “true believers”, slaughtered cows in front of temples just so us khafirs wouldn’t be able to built it back up, forced fed us beef, boiled our gurus alive, cemented 9 and 6 year old alive in a wall. Banned reading of our scriptures, forcefully converted us, whether they were alive or not. Even the dead hindus were converted!
The situation became so bad our women, irrespective of age, whether they’re pregnant or not, commited Jauhar aka burned themselves alive.
But showing that is wrong, @rhysaka stop being a bigot 😔 this is harmful please stick to the sanitized history because it’s islamophobic otherwise.
If the Germans and the English have to live with movies showing their atrocities throughout history, the Arabs can too.
oh also yeah main point being it was not the Arabs… and this is the Islamophobia I cautioned about. Just fuckint ricuculous. Also idk if they have books in the shadows @someoneintheshadow456 but …you know there are non Arab Muslims, right? and you know that South Asia is separate from the Arab world? or u think all brown people are the same?
