so i might be stepping out of line making this post but i feel it needs to be made so yolo i guess.
i know a lot of millenials have a sort of knee-jerk negative reaction towards abrahamic religions (really mostly christianity and judaism) and i understand. really, i get it. my dad is a pastor, and he used his religon to abuse, demean, and control me at every opportunity. he regularly tells my sisters that he’s “so sad im going to hell” and other sundry passive aggressive nonsense, so trust me i get it. i understand how a certain religion can be triggering to someone.
but there is a very important point here, and i really hope you understand this.
you cannot let it make you prejudiced, and, let me be clear here, im talking specifically about antisemitism.
i know exactly whats going on in your head, because for a long time it was what was going on in my head. you hear the word “judaism” and you have flashbacks to sunday school and the old testament and all the times you sat in a church and felt personally attacked, and you associate that with judaism and jewish people because most of the things that upset you were in the old testament.
you can have your triggers, but you can’t let those triggers become an excuse to further marginalize a minority thats already attacked from literally every position of power there is. every major religion has leaders who are antisemitic, every country has a history of marginalizing jewish people, every person on the planet grows up in an inherently antisemitic world and has to unlearn that sort of toxic mindset.
and maybe this post should have been made by a jewish person, or somebody with more education on the subject than me but i think its really important that people don’t let their personal experiences with organized religion turn them into the kind of prejudiced person that hurt them in the first place.
as a romni i have a shared tragedy with jewish people, so i feel like it was easier for me to step back and be like “woah, your thought process here is super toxic and you need to stop” but i feel like a lot of white christian-raised people don’t really have that touchstone and need somebody to be like “wake up, what you are doing is wrong”
I can remove this if you want but I feel a strong need to reblog
as a jew, i’m gonna add to this.
first of all. we don’t have a lot of allies speaking for us genuinely, instead of because of some sort of twisted “jesus was jewish” or “i can secretly defend my faith or politics using jews as pawns” so when y’all do it means a lot. we don’t see it much, so don’t feel bad for making this post.
second of all, the part that you didn’t know, through no real fault of your own, is that the version you learn in sunday school or from non-jewish sources? that isn’t even remotely how jews understand that source.
jews have a totally different relationship with our holy text than christians do. every jewish person is expected to know the “old testament” cover to cover then to freely access and participate in millennia of commentary and debate on it. the core book of jewish law is just a book of debates and discussions, many of which don’t even come with firm answers. and whenever it’s printed, it’s printed with centuries worth of commentary in the margins.
if you have and issue with or felt personally attacked by any part of the “old testament” i can guarantee that there are pages and pages of jewish commentary about that from the point of view you were looking for and several dozen you haven’t even considered. jews have never stopped questioning and arguing about this thing.
so when non-jews make the assumption that our religion is some sort of backwards or primitive thing based on a text they don’t care for, they are doing jews a double disservice.
i guarantee you some 1st century BCE judaen made the point that not eating shrimp because a book says to is kinda silly far more eloquently than you did, pal. heck. there’s a rabbi in the talmud who just straight up becomes a heretic.
judaism has been around and has been evolving as a culture and a religion longer than christianity has existed. it’s one of the oldest living traditions on the planet and its still growing and evolving.
i was going to add exactly the same thing: anything you learned about jews from christian sources, anything you learned from the “old testament” (which is obviously not our term for it), has nothing to do with actual judaism, our beliefs, or our practices. antisemitism is intrinsic to christianity, so if you expect them to tell you the truth about us, think again.
i also feel like it may be relevant to mention that this can also prevent a lot of secular/ethnic jews from wanting to connect to judaism as well. when you’re raised in a christian society, you internalize a lot of what you see & hear, even if you dont know or believe in the specific religious aspects of it.
i really only had interactions with christianity growing up, first through being dragged along to church with friends (usually after a saturday-night sleepover) & later when, through no fault of my family, i ended up at a baptist middle school for 3 years (listen, it’s a looong story). it was at this time i was also realizing i was attracted to girls, so obviously the environment was very toxic & damaging to me.
i came out of that place never wanting to have any interaction with religion ever again. i had no interest in connecting to my jewish identity on a spiritual or even communal level. christianity paints judaism as basically half-christian, only more punitive & primitive. over a decade later, when i finally began to sit down & actually learn about judaism, i found it was the complete opposite.
i’m not going to go into all the differences between christianity & judaism here (as tempted as i am), but i want to reiterate the above commenters & say: if you only know about judaism from christian sources or from a christian perspective (culturally or religiously), you don’t actually know anything about judaism. don’t associate our beliefs with what christianity taught you, because i guarantee you’ve been lied to about us your whole life.
Yes! I am honestly so glad to hear non-Jews saying it, because Jews say it a lot and it never gets much traction outside of those circles. I made a post like that and got a bunch of Jews saying “yes this” and a bunch of edgelord culturally-xtian atheists saying “uh sweaty actually Judaism is just xtianity lite and is responsible as much if not more so for all the shitty things I hate about Catholicism/evangelicalism/my personal denomination.”
I’m in a weird position between these worlds because I left fundamentalist xtianity and converted to Judaism, and even though I don’t believe in the things that hurt me anymore, I still have the trauma from it, and it’s really hard to process that/find likeminded people when a lot of them are blanketly anti-religious. Judaism, like a lot of religions, is an ethnoreligion, and it is inseparable from culture. Someone can be a Jew and be totally secular or atheist. When people say stuff like “I wish all religion would go away,” they’re advocating for cultural genocide, not just of Jews but of a lot of indigenous groups that have kept their religious traditions despite imperialistic universal religions like xtianity and Islam trying to deliberately destroy them (it is important to include Islam in this as far as world history, and it would be inaccurate and a disservice not to, but that also must be balanced by the fact that in the West Islam is a minority and is not to blame for what xtianity has done). With universal religions that seek to convert people, there is a distinction between religion and culture, because that is the only way they can convince people to go along with it. That is not a distinction that exists in many, maybe the majority, of world religions. These people do not understand this, because they only know xtianity and assume it can be directly transposed, but it can’t.
The minor comment I have as far as what’s written already is just a warning that “Abrahamic” is 99% of the time not an appropriate term. The problem is not that the term itself is bad, like how “judeo-xtian” is a bad term created with bad intentions, but because most of the time people use it, they are using it as a blanket term in a situation where a blanket term is not called for, and doing so still reinforces the perception that there are a lot more similarities between the religions that fall under this heading than there really are. Generally, you can just say whatever religion you’re really talking about, which is usually xtianity. I think people also are often afraid to say xtianity out of fear that they’re not being inclusive, and I am here to tell you that it’s 100% ok to just say xtian, and you will be correct most of the time, and in this case it’s still way less harmful to be accidentally not inclusive than it is to perpetuate the belief that they are basically interchangeable with some aesthetic differences.
I am glad that non-Jews are saying this. Non-Jews should be saying this. I’ve seen a few blogs with bios that say stuff like “ex-Catholic, not anti-religious” and that’s a good thing. But there are still quite a few people in the ex- circles (as well as the majority of atheists who feel the need to be vocal/proselytising about their atheism, which I also point out is just the same exact xtian belief that there is a Single Right Way and everyone else must be made to conform by whatever bullying is necessary, dressed up in different clothes) who do not understand this. I get that they are dealing with trauma there, but that is not an excuse to harm minorities. I have trauma, too, and I like to think I deserve to be able to talk about it with people who have similar experiences without the constant stress of having them be antisemitic. You can be angry at the group you came from and what happened to you; no one is saying you can’t. Just don’t be a jerk to minorities.
It is also helpful to you. Being raised in these kinds of groups gives you more unconscious beliefs/philosophies than just explicit religious belief. Being able to understand that things like guilt, your views about morality etc come from your religion/culture (and the religion that influenced that culture, even if you are not part of it) and are not objective truths about the world is extremely difficult to teach and pretty much has to be learned on your own, and it has the capacity to be powerfully healing, but you will never get there if you can’t first accept that not all ideologies are the same. So being able to identify the true source and cause of your pain and anger is important to you as well as to not hurt minorities.
If you want an example of antisemitic bias in cultural Christianity, here’s one common crypto-antisemitic belief you can unlearn right now:
🛑❌🚫“the god of the Old Testament is vengeful while the New Testament god is loving”❌🚫🛑
It’s simply not true.
Why is this belief so common? Because lots of people get their basic religious understandings through a Christian filter. This particular belief is rooted in the Christian concept of supercessionism a.k.a. replacement theology: the belief that Christianity is the updated Judaism 2.0, and that Jews are too stupid to abandon their now “outdated” 1.0 religion. The Old/New=hate/love division privileges highly biased Christian readings of the Hebrew Bible, and repeating it supports the belief that Judaism is deluded, incorrect, and barbaric.