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YES.

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Keith Haring Journals, February 15, 1989

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I slug down my HRT dose for the night, grab my tits, and in my best Rita Repulsa voice, I scream, "MAKE MY MONSTERS GROW!"

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lgbt-tiktoks

Caption: [I think I got pretty lucky to be a lesbian (laugh) ya know? Cuz I was always gonna look like this uhh and I think if I looked like this and my type was just like, dudes named Chad (laughing) I think I’d have a bad time! What anomaly that would be, if I wanted to hook up with Chads. If that was my thing. I dunno I just I just think that sounds way gayer than like the lesbian marriage I’m in right now.

I’m pretty sure God would be confused (laughing)if I dated a Chad. I think God would look at us as a couple and be like “Okay you’re a girl, he’s a guy. That’s pretty good, uhhhh somehow this is still a sin”. (laughing) This is SO unnatural! You guys think I could do it? You think I could find a Chad if I wanted one? The one Chad would be like “Baby, I don’t care that you look like Terk from Tarzan, I love you (kiss noise).

I know half of you aren’t even listening. You’re like “Dez, I thought you were a small Mexican boy this entire time”. No. Adult, Puerto Rican lesbian. Eh it reads the same. Mainly the difference is I have way more credit card debt than the average Mexican child, like WAY more.]

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as your resident eddie izzard quote url haver i feel like i have a responsibility to warn you about what’s happening right now

short version: terfs are being shitheads as usual and they just remembered eddie izzard exists

longer version: Eddie Izzard has shifted to mainly she/her pronouns in the last few years, and besides stand up and charity marathons has been more and more active in her long term goal of getting elected into politics

she’s running for a MP role in labour in Sheffield Central and this move is being met with opposition and transphobia 

basically terfs are parroting the restroom predator scaremongering they direct at all trans women and there’s some really nasty comments out there (esp on twitter, home of nasty comments)

Eddie Izzard’s terminology when it comes to her gender identity is based on her own experience and age and understanding and is not up for debate, but i’m sure her language and pronouns are going to be disrespected and mocked and accusations of…. pissing in the wrong toilet? I guess? making “real” women feel bad? that sort of thing is going to be brought up a lot more right now (and already has been)

just wanted to make a post on here to say that this bullshit is happening, watch out for increased transphobia not only for people in that part of the uk but people online who like eddie izzard’s work. Sucks to see it, figured a heads up with context would be appreciated by some people.

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this is easily one of the funniest comments on this website

was gonna leave this in the tags but this person really saw someone say “just call me a slur already” and went “on it boss!”

The nature of humanity is just that every so often someone reinvents the “how about as a compromise we call masculine bi women red-tailed hawks and feminine bi women Thompson’s gazelles or some shit” post

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melaniefangz

whoa dude when I heard about "radfems" I thought it would be some most radical females! 😍🤙

but these chicks are saying some bogus things about other babes 😬

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shieldfoss

On coding

Queer coded? Thank you, but my blorbo is actually queer software engineered. Queer systems designed. High level queer architected.

“coded” please.

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twixnmix

Keith Haring creating his Once Upon a Time… mural in the bathroom of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center in New York City on May 27, 1989.

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I can't believe it. They passed the new trans law in Finland, allowing adult trans people to change their legal gender without having to provide lengthy documentation from doctors. It passed. I am so fucking happy. I know people who've been waiting for years to get their gender recognized by a doctor to get treatments. I can't believe it. Really can't.

We won❤️

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Barker then turned his attention to his fellow author J.K. Rowling, who has had her fair share of controversy over the last few years over her opinions on the transgender community. “There’s a lot of pain amongst the transgender people that I know,” Barker stated. “They have a lot of issues in the world as it is, without a famous author opining on the subject. It just seems redundant. It just seems unkind.”

Noting Rowling’s vast financial success, Barker felt that Rowling’s newfound position of fame ought to exclude her from discussing trans rights. He added, “It really just seems redundant for a woman as successful, as validated in the world, as Ms Rowling, to be negative, to be disruptive if you will, to a very beaten up subculture. These are human beings. She has no right to opine, I think, upon the lives of human beings that she does not know.”

“I feel very protective of people who are on the edge of our culture as gay people still are,” Barker continued. “And certainly transgender people are on the edge of our culture. And here you have one of the most successful people in the frigging world – Ms Rowling. Going after a very emotionally vulnerable portion of our culture. It just seems unnecessary and unfair.”
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reblogged

I think it really does speak for just how deeply there is something wrong with the online queer community that trans guys & mascs reaching out genuinely to say "we're dealing with a lot of issues that have gone completely undiscussed and it's bad enough that some of these things are killing us, and none of you even know they're happening" results in such a vitriolic response that there's been targeted harassment at every major blogger who's talked about it. like that's the immediate honest response to a plea for pain and suffering to be heard. what the hell.

as someone who doesn't know what's going on, please inform me.

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hadeantaiga

Trans men and transmasc people face unique forms of oppression and transphobia. The way our masculinity intersects with our birth sex and our transness means we face unique challenges and unique forms of hate.

We wanted to discuss the challenges we face, so over the past few years we have tried to come up with a word to describe the unique form of transphobia we deal with.

But one of the issues we deal with includes invisibility, so when we say we face issues, no one believes us and thinks we're making it all up. If they can't see the trauma, it doesn't exist. So a lot of people think the only things trans men face are "mean words", when there is in fact systemic violence exacted against us. We are denied housing and employment. We suffer medical neglect. We are assaulted, raped, and murdered. But it doesn't make it into the news as "trans man assaulted" because they frequently misgender us as women.

Another issue many of face is the fact that we are trans men or masculine-aligned, and the patriarchal society we live in doesn't believe men can suffer. The patriarchy itself believes this - "boys don't cry" - but a lot of people who don't necessarily support the patriarchy, including feminists, have very little empathy for men and masc-aligned folks too. There's a lack of understanding how the intersection of identity is involved here. Trans men and transmascs do not have "male privilege". We are not cis men. Many of us are not men at all. Obviously transphobes don't consider us to be men, but even when other queer people do, they erroneously believe we obtain cis male privilege, and therefore think we deserve to be treated like shit.

Then there's the misogyny and bioessentialism. Many of us were assigned female at birth, so misogyny affects us even when we are trans men/masc. All the same stereotypes about women get laid on us in addition to the worst stereotypes about men. We are infantilized as all afab people are infantilized: we are told we are less intelligent, less capable of making our own decisions, and transphobes tell us we need "protection" from the trans "cult". Trans people who hate us call us additionally say we are hysterical, whiny, and manipulative. Constant dehumanization, bioessentialism, identity erasure and degradation is a common trend, as they will refer to us as nothing more than "afabs" (erasing and compressing all our trans identities into nothing more than our birth sex) when really, at the end of the day, they mean "stupid girls". It's misogyny, even if it's coming from a trans person. Their obsession with reducing us to our birth sex and insulting us based on that is misogyny and bioessentialism.

Racism also comes into play. White patriarchy of course wants to preserve the fertility and femininity of little white girls. But trans people who hate trans men can also be racist, in that they deny the existence of trans men/mascs of color in the movement, and try to paint us as all just "whiny white afabs who don't understand real oppression". You'll see this all the time when they claim that "all transandrophobia truthers are white afabs".

These are some of the major categories of problems trans men and transmascs face. There's overlap between the experiences of trans women/femmes, as well as the experiences of other trans folks, and even cis women, but some of these issues are unique to trans men/mascs.

So we developed a word to describe what we're dealing with. But, because of the literal aspects of our oppression described above, we are called "truthers", whiners, "stupid afabs who just want to be oppressed" and "transmisogynists who want to steal from trans women".

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ledsastray

but ‘the word’ transmisandry’ does two things badly - it borrows directly from transmisogyny - a word trans women coined to describe how the transphobia they experience is largely an extension of misogyny. That’s it is based in their womanhood and their position as gender traitors in a patriarchy. It’s a word from trans feminism.

And secondly it borrows from misandry - the idea men are hated as men in a systematic way that is enforced via interpersonal, structural, and state violence. And this simply is a fiction. Worse it is a fiction associated with heinously right wing ideologies.

So that was stupid

I think it was sufficient to say the transphobia that men and masc ppl experience is characterised by invisibility and a goldieloxian paradox where if people wanna read you as too female they employ misogyny but also we experience an expectation to be not too masc from within queer andor feminist community and in our own heads because we are held to higher standards of behaviour than cis men. There are deep beautiful alliances here and also sometimes people are fuckwits 🤷🏻‍♂️ and yeah inter community conflicts hurts like nothing else in the feels - but materially this intra community stuff is not hurting up. We don’t have a special sort of transphobia we experience a specific sort.

Transmisogyny I would describe as a branch of misogyny - it’s about those intersections. It’s about what happens to women.

Trans men experience misogyny too but it’s not intersecting with manhood. Being a man isn’t multiplying anything up. The math is different. The context is different.

I’d say as all men have found from oppressed groups - to be truly free you need to side with and take leadership from women in your community.

And trans women said - nope

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ms-demeanor

Why is it "bad" to "borrow" (or maybe you might say "build upon" or maybe "learn from") other activists? Is "transmisogyny" as a word "done badly" because it comes from the tradition that coined "misogynoir"? Doesn't it save us all work if we don't have to build from first principles, and doesn't it help us all to advance if we aren't constantly saying "this was my idea, get your own!"

Actually that's kind of a funny point, isn't "transmisandry" clearly an homage to "transmisogyny"? People often criticize younger movements for "not giving credit" (as though that's possible to do in a single word) but isn't a reference as direct as this clearly giving credit? Don't you think it might be saying "we saw that you wanted a different word to explain your experience and we saw what you crafted and how it empowered you to speak and we wanted something similar, so because we learned from you we followed the form you set"?

I used to believe (and repeat!) that there was no such thing as misandry because institutions are built to favor men in patriarchy; I also used to (and still do!) believe and repeat that patriarchy harms all people under patriarchy. Patriarchy harms men, and the harm that it does to men is institutional, and it is misandry. We talk about how high school girls are objectified and punished for it and we call that misogyny; we don't talk about high school boys being objectified, being perused - legally - by military recruiters who call their homes and pull them out of class to attempt to enlist them. We don't talk anywhere near enough about men - and disproportionately black men - whose bodies are damaged before they're in their mid-twenties by hypercompetitive high school sports. We don't talk about how men are made to feel worthless if they aren't the breadwinners in their families, and you can look at that and go "well that's just an outgrowth of keeping women down" but it doesn't change the fact that "you must earn the income required to keep your spouse and children housed and fed, ideally by yourself with no assistance, or you are insufficient and are failing your partner" is a harmful idea that is fundamental to our society and that is uniquely directed at men.

But even if you grant that misandry doesn't exist (I don't) this argument is disingenuous. The people who received this criticism of the term "transmisandry" heard it and listened and coined the phrase "transandrophobia" in a concession to the idea that misandry is not as broad or pressing an issue as misogyny, and is a word that is largely used by reactionaries.

So the users who the OP was commenting on, who were hounded for years and who were harassed and who I still see callout posts circulating about, were attacked over the word "transandrophobia," not "transmisandry." It's in the last line of the third-to-last paragraph of the third post on this thread.

Trans men specifically said "invisibility and misogyny do not sufficiently explain the kinds of harms that I am facing, I need a word to describe the harms that I am facing, how about transmisandry? No, okay, I see the problems there, how about transandrophobia, a word which can help us identify and work toward resolving the ways that we are rejected, infantalized, ignored, and attacked by the queer communities that we are (or would very much like to be) part of, which is specifically founded in the idea that trans men have male privilege?" and the "community" said "kill yourself and also here is a record of private sexual interactions that you had that we have distributed to everyone on the internet to let them know that not only are you wrong, you are also a liar and predator."

It is perhaps not generous to say that "the community" did this, because it was a relatively small group of people harassing the trans men and transmascs who spoke up about this and I have seen dozens and dozens of trans women speaking up about how it is good and appropriate for trans men and transmascs to have a word to discuss the unique dimensions of the issues they were experiencing. So, from what I can tell, they DID listen to women in their movement, but I have to ask "which women do you want them to listen to?" There were many women who vocally disliked the term "transandrophobia" and many women who actively supported its use. Which women in my movement should I ignore when it comes to discussing my experience? Because the ones who are saying "yeah! solidarity! we SHOULD have words that reflect our lives, I'm glad we're here together and can work together toward a better future" are a lot more approachable and numerous than the ones who are setting up callout campaigns who think that trans men and trans mascs experience transphobia and misogyny but do not experience any institutional or interpersonal harms because of their masculinity.

Also, because it does *not* go without saying, Black trans men and transmascs experience additional dimensions of transandrophobia that are related to their blackness, their transness, and their masculinity and suggesting that there is nothing that they experience that doesn't have to go through committee approval before they discuss it is a bad position to hold.

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