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The pack survives

@winterfellchild / winterfellchild.tumblr.com

"She (Daenerys) has the power to destroy, she can wipe out entire cities, and we certainly see that in ‘Fire and Blood.’ We see the dragons wiping out entire armies, wiping out towns and cities, destroying them, but that doesn’t necessarily enable you to rule — it just enables you to destroy." GRRM
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Winter is coming again

Omg, this is true😏

My jonsa spirit is alive again after 5 years, I didn't post anything in 5 YEARS

But I read the tag with pleasure from time to time... and something with sadness

I know we lost fedon and that made me so sad, she was a great woman always so nice and friendly with me. She would have loved this news too, I know it and I am really sad she can't celebrate it with us (sorry for the sad talk but I need to remember her today too on this my comeback post)

Anyways good to see the jonsa family alive again, it remains the best fandom I ever joined and I always remember it with much affection

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alayne-stone
“HBO: So, the biggest question on our minds: What was your reaction when you found out Bran would become king? Isaac Hempstead Wright: I had to physically get up and walk around my flat. I said, “What?! You’re joking.” It was the very last thing I expected to happen. I was convinced they had sent a script to everyone in which they become king or queen, so I still didn’t believe it until the read-through. But I think he is a great character to take on that role. You never thought of him in that way, but what more could you ask for in a king than to have no personal attachments, no agenda, but have a calm understanding of the entire universe? He’s the ideal person to be in charge. [Creators] David [Benioff] and Dan [Weiss] told me there were two things [author] George R.R. Martin had planned for Bran, and that was the Hodor revelation, and that he would be king. So that’s pretty special to be directly involved in something that is part of George’s vision. It was a really nice way to wrap it up.”
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Anonymous asked:

imagine the backlash if kit was the one who demanded the scenes be changed so he'd look better...............

Kit: pls don’t have my character support a mass murdering tyrant 

Everyone: He’s so sexist. 

Like honestly this shit pisses me off. I am a true to my core feminist. I spent five years working for feminist issues. Dany isn’t a feminist character. You can’t be a conqueror and a feminist- you can’t.

AND  THEY MADE IT MORE SEXIST BY HOW THEY WROTE IT????????????????????? THEY MADE IT A LOVERS EMBRACE. THAT SHIT IS DISGUSTING.

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gwidhiel

It seems to me that Emilia has really confused herself and her own personal wishes with what the character she played was repeatedly shown to have prioritized and valued. Because Daenerys didn’t love anyone, least of all Jon Snow. She wanted to control him, minimize him, and dominate him.

Ironically right now Emilia seems to be the embodiment of all of the things the GoT fandom derided young Sansa Stark for in Season 1: holding a naively idealistic view of a dreadful person and wanting above all else to be at the center of a romantic narrative that emphasizes her beauty and innocence.

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swainlake

i’m honestly so confused right now. where did people get the idea that sansa just decided for herself, with zero input from the north, to be queen? why do you think they’d accept that? they literally just escaped a tyrant. do ya’ll really think they would’ve chosen anybody else? who? i mean, they’ve tried multiple times to make her queen, have consistently recognised how she’s the person looking after their interests and safety, and it’s been made quite clear to the audience they’d never bend for anybody but a stark. would they have preferred robb or jon? honestly, most likely. they’d definitely prefer at least robb but hey, that’s not an option. what we do know for a fact is that they preferred sansa to jon at one point and we know they were 100% willing to choose her over him until she denied them.

let’s be very, very clear here: sansa hasn’t betrayed anybody. sansa has put her family and the north before herself for almost 3 seasons straight now and has on multiple occasions tried to increase the security of the power of her family and people (often at the expense of herself). ya’ll have reached the point where you’re actively lying to yourself just so you can be salty. frankly it’s embarrassing.

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Finn Jones: Daenerys is a white conqueror

Nikolaj: Daenerys is bad

Gwendolyn: All the signs were there

Kit: Daenerys has done horrible things and the fans are in denial

Emilia: I STAND BY DAENERYS

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dena-1984

Emilia: Also, I watched Hitler videos to prepare for Daenery’s final speech.

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rissa-rey

There are a lot of things about S8 of GOT that I too did not love. HOWEVER, I think the petulant petition is fucking dumb. And the thing that annoys me about the petition bullshit the most is this completely asinine (also, fake) narrative that the people that put this thing together and/or signed it are somehow “supporting” the cast and crew by making their dissent public. But are you? Are you really? And more importantly, does the cast and crew you’re supposedly doing this for think so? Hmmm…step into my office and let’s find out:

Sophie Turner (Sansa Stark) thinks your “petition and things like that” are “disrespectful.” (NYT)

Jacob Anderson (Greyworm) thinks you’re “rude” and also wants to remind you that the show doesn’t belong to you. Also, he thinks your petition “trivializes” all the hard work that the cast and crew put into this last season and that you doing so is “sad.” (see appearance on Strahan and Sara)

Isaac Hempstead Wright (Bran Stark) thinks your petition is “ridiculous” and has kind of “taken it personally” so great job there, assholes. (The Hollywood Reporter)

Pedro Pascal (Oberyn Martell) wants you to shut up. And he wasn’t even in season 8. (Twitter)

Emilia Clarke (Daenerys Targaryen) claims she’s never heard of your shitty band. (The New Yorker)

Daniel Portman (Podrick Payne) has resorted to making snide petition jokes via twitter and/or reblogged others that have done so. (Twitter)

And finally…Kit Harington (Jon Snow) “doesn’t give a fuck” what you think. In fact, he literally said you can “go fuck yourself.” (Esquire)

But yeah, you lot are totally right, this cast and crew is absolutely basking in the warmth and comfort of your support. 🙄

Twats.

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Wow, this interview really looks bad for her. “She f–king warned [Varys] last season.“ Holy shit, I used to be an Emilia Clarke fan but these interviews scare me. Did she really think Daenerys was right in the end?

DAENERYS I’M SORRY I HAVE TO BRING IT UP AGAIN BUT YOU FUCKING KILLED ONE MILLION PEOPLE HALF AN HOUR AGO AND SINCE YOU INTEND TO DO THE SAME TO THE REST OF THE WORLD, I, AS A SHIELD WHO GUARDS THE REALMS OF MEN, HAVE TO PUT YOUR INSANE ASS DOWN. LET’S DISCUSS THIS PLEASE TELL ME YOUR OPINION PLS BECAUSE I’M A FUCKING DOORMAT AND I CAN’T TELL RIGHT FROM WRONG ON MY OWN

Is that what she wanted?

I opened the link because I thought this was maybe a joke, it isn’t.

Emilia really said that about Varys, she really blamed Jon for killing Darnerys after what she did and more.

And all of this after she said that she wanted to show Daenerys in her last scene “as we saw her in the beginning: young, naïve, childlike, open, and full of love and hope” because she doesn’t enjoy fans calling Daenerys the Mad Queen.

With all due respect for Emilia but she talks like her crazy fans… in her eyes Daenerys is still an angel and all the other characters were the devil because they didn’t kiss her a*s and therefore Daenerys was justified for what she did… that’s so obnoxious and irritating coming from her.

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bronwenmarie

i really don’t care, but y’all act like she had any choice in the matter. acting is weird. it’s reflective. it’s methodical. she had to be Danaerys for ten years, analyzing scripts and taking notes and filming and being sick during a big part of it and y’all are straight up invalidating everything she’s studied and worked hard for ? you don’t have to like the finale, and you don’t have to say it was good. but quality and character interpretation is subjective and just because it’s presented or illustrated in a show doesn’t mean it’s either done WELL or it’s morally or realistically RIGHT. it just IS.

and she has worked so so hard and admittedly cried and raged over the ending. so let her at least have an honest interview without claiming moral and artistic authority over her choices and her words.

I'm not talking about her acting method, I'm talking about what she is saying right now.

Regardless of how she feels about the end saying that Jon Snow killed Daenerys because he doesn't like women is stupid af even as a joke because it shows that she somehow dismiss what Daenerys did in the previous episode.

Saying that Jon and Daenerys could have worked it out if he just talked with her is worse because it sounds like she thinks that Daenerys deserved a second chance after what she did or that she would have listened to Jon if he asked her to stop her world domination plan, like if what she said to the Dothraki and unsullied is just nothing.

Saying that Varys was warned doesn't make it better that Daenerys burned him alive when he was trying to stop her from committing a genocide.

The final season is already bad enough without Emilia Clarke trying to find the good in what Daenerys did to KL and the innocents she killed.

As I said, with all due respect for Emilia, I found her interviews full of bs.

Feel free to disagree it doesn't change thae fact that that's how I see it

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Wow, this interview really looks bad for her. “She f–king warned [Varys] last season.“ Holy shit, I used to be an Emilia Clarke fan but these interviews scare me. Did she really think Daenerys was right in the end?

DAENERYS I’M SORRY I HAVE TO BRING IT UP AGAIN BUT YOU FUCKING KILLED ONE MILLION PEOPLE HALF AN HOUR AGO AND SINCE YOU INTEND TO DO THE SAME TO THE REST OF THE WORLD, I, AS A SHIELD WHO GUARDS THE REALMS OF MEN, HAVE TO PUT YOUR INSANE ASS DOWN. LET’S DISCUSS THIS PLEASE TELL ME YOUR OPINION PLS BECAUSE I’M A FUCKING DOORMAT AND I CAN’T TELL RIGHT FROM WRONG ON MY OWN

Is that what she wanted?

I opened the link because I thought this was maybe a joke, it isn't.

Emilia really said that about Varys, she really blamed Jon for killing Darnerys after what she did and more.

And all of this after she said that she wanted to show Daenerys in her last scene "as we saw her in the beginning: young, naïve, childlike, open, and full of love and hope" because she doesn't enjoy fans calling Daenerys the Mad Queen.

With all due respect for Emilia but she talks like her crazy fans... in her eyes Daenerys is still an angel and all the other characters were the devil because they didn't kiss her a*s and therefore Daenerys was justified for what she did... that's so obnoxious and irritating coming from her.

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cathcacen

One thing that still pisses me off is this:

Why the flying fuck should GREY WORM get a say in what happens to Jon?! Even setting aside his help at Winterfell, his tyrant queen was deposed and he personally has no right, even as Master of War or whatever, to keep the farce running.

Also he is a fucking war criminal.

Jacob Anderson was right. I don’t like GW at all right now.

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funny how jon’s a targaryen too but he doesn’t have anyone questioning his sanity every single second of every single day

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jonsaagenda

It couldn’t possibly be because Jon is not the Targaryen who was given too much power at a young age? I mean I guess anything goes for Dany stans at this point, let’s pretend that Jon and Dany were given the exact same circumstances, except they weren’t. One got too much power at a young age, then that power was never kept in check, she was allowed to climb up and up, then she was never really taught the truth of how horrible her ancestors really were since viserys fed her biased lies… in season 7 she straight up compared herself to Gods… Dany gets followers in her journey while Jon has to earn friendships. Dany gets put on a pedestal while Jon is told to sit down and be humble….

So yeah MAYBE if you actually spent a brain cell thinking about it you’ll realise that the Targaryen who doesn’t go “Fire and blood” is the Targaryen who is a Stark… who never grew up thinking he has to fulfil some extraordinary Destiny… Jon Snow is the anti- Dany…. just like how Harry Potter is the Anti-Tom Riddle. They were foils Vanessa! One thinks he doesn’t even deserve winterfell while other is so far gone they associate the throne and power with victory. That’s why people don’t question Jon’s sanity. It’s literally that simple.

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lilbreck

People seriously out here pretending it’s because he’s a man when it’s because he doesn’t burn people alive and scream about taking shit with fire and blood. I mean, the show has sexism issues, but this ain’t one of them.

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winkydinkle

I actually LOVE that Jon is a Targaryen because he is PROOF that you aren’t destined to follow in your family’s footsteps (as many have been saying was the message with dany going dark) it’s about who you choose to be and what you choose to do. Jon’s father was a dumb asshole, Jon didn’t turn out to be anything like him. So he’s a great example that you are not meant to be just like your papa, unless you choose to be. Like dany did, that’s why we question her sanity, she made the choice to kill millions of innocents, fulfilling her father’s dreams. You could blame the writing and cry about how unfair life is, but it’s heavily hinted in the books written by GRRM so 🤷🏽‍♀️

Very well said. No one was questioning Dany’s sanity purely because of her bloodline, it was because of her actions and choices.

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freezedive

I refuse to believe RLJ was unimportant to Jon’s identity. It absolutely was.

But it was sacrificed to fuel Dany’s pain. It propelled her wants, her desires, her needs.

Jon was sacrificed for the sake of fabricating a romantic tragedy where there was none.

They glorified Dany. And the people behind that decision can burn in hell for it.

In the meantime I will be grieving the second death of Jon Snow for the rest of the month. Because Jon lost. He lost everything. He is right back where he started- an outcast. But now, he’s disgraced himself, which is another massive crime. It’s like Dany took control of his mind and he lost all reason.

I’ll eventually move on from my anger and remember it’s just a tv show that jumped the shark, like so many others. But right now I’m going to rage at how badly Jon was abused and ripped to shreds by Dany, Dan and Dave, and the HBO executives that have a hard on for Dany

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enchantmentb

Yes. I agree unfortunately. They sacrificed Jon’s character for a forced romance with Dany.

They actually did do that.

And they didn’t even do the romance well. (Why on god’s earth? I will never understand.)

I have given D&D too much credit. I didn’t think they were capable of throwing Jon’s character to the wolves the way they did, but they totally were.

I will get over it eventually, but for now I’m grieving.

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danidanisara

It really was the “khaleesi show featuring Tyrion the Imp”

@enchantmentb the problem is they were trying to make a mutual romance where there is none. Dany loves Jon? I believe it, in her own twisted way.

But Dan and Dave (or dumb and dumber, or edgelord and edgierlord), expects me to believe that Jon, who shot Mance with an arrow for a quick death because he was revolted that he was being burned alive, would excuse Dany’s actions when she killed hundreds of thousands of people by the same method?!

It’s bullshit. Jon and Dany are fundamentally, morally incompatible. Period. And they tore Jon’s character to shreds and he lost everything in the process.

Well, not everything. He’s got ghost. But Jon still got used, abused, and ripped apart. Then they took his remains and stomped on it. All thee of them did- Dany, the Edgelords, and the HBO executives

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yol101

I’m in mourning too. Jon died and I’m so mad, disappointed and sad. A curse upon these bastards. I can only hope this is the end of their careers.

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okay so jon kills his genocidal pyromaniac auntie and gets sent to the wall for his crimes but tyrion murderers his father, girlfriend, best friend, is complict in genocide and therefore the deaths of his brother and sister……but gets to be hand of the king? Hm something isn’t adding up here.

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jonsaagenda

THIS! EVEN Jaime didn’t get exiled when he murdered mad king and mad daddy hadn’t even burned down Kings landing at that point and this pyromaniac Barbie nukes a whole city and jon is punished to exile only to appease GW takes the first ticket back to home the second Jon is “punished”…. Why are westerosi even bothering with making GW happy. GUYS DOESN’T THIS FEEL LIKE LAST MINUTE PULLED OUT OF ASS ENDING?

There is no way grrm approved this? Is there??!!

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

Why why why why Grey Worm gets to walk away without any punishment but also gets to punish Jon??????

HOW IS THIS JUST

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