When you say "even in canon this character is acting OOC" do you mean it as in "this character's canon dropped the ball on internal consistency with them" or do you mean "this character I normally relate to made a decision that I wouldn't have made" or do you mean "this character isn't acting like the fanon we developed by rotating them in our heads for 67295 combined hours away from the source material"?
I don't even bother with the CC3 plots because it's all too much and too confusing to me. At some point I stopped following the plots because it kept messing with my head and I had to remember political sh*t from previous books. It had gotten all down hill as soon as I recognized Azriel in the crossover and realized the kind of bullsh*t Sarah pulled.
The crossover was the biggest mistake Sarah has ever done and I stand by it.
I definitely think the fans are divided over the crossover. Some LOVE it, some hate it, and some are tentatively cautious, hoping that it all comes together in a good way.
I can't say I love it. The ACOTAR world and even TOG are extremely magical feeling to me. I love that primitive element that goes hand in a hand with a world untouched by technology. I'm not a huge fan of Urban Fantasy though I did enjoy the different feel of CC1 (rather than having a third serious that had the same vibe as the first two). CC2 definitely took things in a different direction though and with the crossover, the way the ACOTAR characters view things is going to be irrevocably changed.
I know SJM has stated she's a big Marvel fan (and I am too) but those movies definitely have a bit of a cartoonish feel to them. They're awesome and exciting but they're also colorful and a bit silly at times.
Now, the Lord of the Rings series, that's EPIC. It's a bit dark and gray (but also filled with hope) and a grand adventure.
To me, ACOTAR gives me that epic Lord of the Rings feel, not a Marvel movie feel. Whereas it doesn't seem odd for Thor, who comes from Asgard where there's not modern technology to land in Earth where there is, it would seem odd if Frodo and Co. suddenly wound up in Manhattan or had a New Yorker with their cell phone suddenly show up in the Shire. Something about those two doesn't mesh well. And that's what the crossover feels like. I would have been more comfortable with the TOG characters crossing over into Prythian than Bryce.
The thought of Rhys, Cassian, Feyre, etc. learning about guns and cell phones and so on? Something just feels very off about that and it's tough accepting that those characters will now always have the knowledge that there's some spacey technological world out there. Not to mention we've barely explored the ACOTAR world outside of Tamlin's manner, Tarquins home and the Night Court. Wouldn't it have been better to see more of Prythian and the continent before the introduction of other worlds?
I do agree that trying to come up with theories on what could happen in the future CC and ACOTAR books with the introduction of the crossover fries my brain a bit. I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the CC world though I'm head over heels for ACOTAR. And nearly all of my theories come from ACOTAR and ACOTAR alone so I realize I'm missing a big piece of the puzzle. Or maybe it's not as bad as I think and the series will still be able to stand alone even if people haven't read one series or the other which I'm still hopeful for. Viewers are more informed if they watch every Marvel movie but they still make sense on their own even if they've chosen not to watch Captain Marvel or Doctor Strange, etc. Maybe this will be the same.
So much this! The only reason I’ll be tentatively maybe possibly okay-ish with the crossover as it currently stands is if she keeps it purely Bryce crossing (relatively quickly) through Prythian. Then I could see it reading more like almost a time travel/Outlander style mini-adventure, where we see a modern (magical) gal stuck trying to figure out how to do stuff without fae Google or tech or whatever.
I’m with you, though - I do NOT want the modern urban fantasy style infiltrating the more elemental/Romantic setting of the ACOTAR/ToG worlds. But so long as Bryce is just visiting and sjm isn’t trying to create pathways between worlds for ACOTAR characters to go to Midgard, I think it could possibly be fine? Maybe? 🤣
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Always nice to remember: it’s 2023 and, as stated by SJM herself, Gwyneth Berdara is STILL not a child ‼️😱
Gwyn ➡️ 28
Nesta ➡️ 25
Elain ➡️ 23/24
Feyre ➡️ 22
She’s literally older than the Archeron sisters 💀
Despite possible SJM age inconsistencies, it will never not be funny to me that people read about Gwyn protecting children in the temple, working for Merrill, becoming friends with Nesta, Emerie, Cassian(all adults), reading smut, training with weapons and participating in the Blood Rite and somehow decided to act like she must be a child. There is no way anyone actually thought that.
But she likes friendship bracelets and is described as coLtisH!! I mean, what are people supposed to think?!!!! /s
also it's super suss that the "drop your interests! you're too old!" posts are always about women. why don't you go to a football game and tell random dudes they're too old to be interested in childish games
Like how bout you mind your business okay
I can only hope that you hit a tree instead of a person.
as long as you’re on the road with me, putting my life in danger, it sure as hell IS my business. don’t look at your fucking phone while your car is moving. you’re going to kill someone.
I did a report on actual studies of this for college. It is part of a category of behaviors referred to as “distracted driving,” a category which includes driving while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs.
The reason drunk driving is bad is you have inhibited judgment and a depressed nerve response. If you are drunk driving, and there’s something you need to avoid or react to, you are more likely to make bad reactive decisions, and make them much slower than a sober person would. (I do not recall offhand the name for the type of distraction this represents neurologically.)
Looking at your phone is something called a COGNITIVE distraction, which means your focus, in that moment, is entirely on a separate task, because contrary to popular belief, “multitasking” is not a thing that actually exists neurologically. It is possible to switch between multiple tasks in such a way that you make progress towards both at nearly the same time, but within the same INSTANT, your brain CANNOT, by design, perform two cognitive tasks at the same time without greatly impairing your performance at both of them. Even talking on the phone while driving, keeping your eyes fully on the road at all times, is a cognitive distraction that makes it much harder for you to pay attention to your driving and to the people around you, and even people who claimed to be proficient multitaskers, when tested, proved to be highly prone to accidents while talking on the phone AND far less effective at responding to the conversations they were having, because it is not possible for the human brain to do both things at the same time. Talking on the phone while driving was found to be approximately as bad as drunk driving.
But it gets worse.
If you are traveling at highway speeds, and you look down at your phone for just six seconds, you will have traveled roughly the distance of an American football field while your eyes were completely away from the road.
This, obviously, is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
Drunk driving is punished HEAVILY by law, and rightly so, because it is a reckless endangerment of public safety.
If you text while driving or check facebook while driving or do anything else on your phone instead of keeping your eyes on the road, YOU ARE MORE DANGEROUS TO YOURSELF AND OTHER DRIVERS THAN A PERSON WHO IS SEVERELY DRUNK, YOU ARE A THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND YOU SHOULD BE STOPPED. Other people on the road have every right to hate you for it and to hope someday the law catches up on this issue.
If you’re driving on the same road as me, YOU TEXTING IS MY FUCKING BUSINESS, because you are putting MY LIFE in danger.
If you want to text while in transit, you shouldn’t be in the driver’s seat.
Friendly reminder:
DON’T BE DOING ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES DRIVING WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING.
NO “IF” OR “BUT” ABOUT IT.
‘don’t you want your favourite character to be happy???’ no? i want my favourite character to be interesting. i want me to be happy. which sometimes involves my favourite character being in exquisite agony
Gwyn doing friendship bracelets because it reminds her of her sister is childish, but Bryce collecting my little pony figures, Aelin eating all the candy in a bag and smiling with yellow teeth, the bat boys having snowball fights, the bat boys touching things when they are told to not touch it, Elain being too shy and emberrassed to talk about or even mention sex and periods, and the author herself fangirling over every disney and pixar movies there is...is not childish? Like- why are we ignoring the fact that Sarah makes friendship bracelets herself?
You know... I once heard from an el/riel that El/riel would have an adult relationship and that's why it's superior.. girl wtf is an "adult relationship". If El/riel's book is only about secret sex, political bullsh*t and unnecessary drama then I certainly don't want it.
In their post they also mentioned how Sarah made it obvious that she's a child because she was described as cotlish. If they did prober research, they would know that Sarah also described Vassa as cotlish, but she's grown enough to be with Lucien? Or is she less of a threat enough to be allowed with Lucien? To distract Lucien from El/riel?
There wasn't much hate for Lucien when they realized that there was a available lady and they took the chance to throw her at Lucien so that they could do their thing in peace... until Gwyn came and they started to find nurmerous ways to destroy her character. "Gwyn is a child" "Gwyn is a lightsinger" "Gwyn lied about her SA" "Gwyn can't be with him because she's a SA victim" etc.... and when Elucien started to rise? Lucien got all the hate alongside Gwyn.
Sexy redheads for the win. They do nothing and yet piss off so many people who are in their adult age. That is power.
You are so right, sexy redheads DEFINITELY for the win! We don't need a golden haired sister with a black haired bat boy, another golden haired sister with a black haired bat with, and a third golden haired sister with a black haired bat boy. There should absolutely be some ginger added to the mix.
And you are right again. SJM does enjoy giving her characters a dose of their inner child when it comes to certain things but as you said, it's prevalent for many of her female MMC. I think it makes sense that Feyre never had a "thing" but that's in line with her character. She's always taken the Mother Hen role upon herself but now that she has Nyx, I think she'll get to experience all those moments through her son.
And I think people are misinterpreting SJM's use of coltish. Sure it can be used to describe someone young and playful but Nesta used this in reference to Gwyn while she was standing between two shelves. She wasn't doing anything to give the impression that she was playful at that time.
How the sentence actually reads is, "She was young" - (THEN) "almost coltish, with her slender, elegant limbs."
The only thing "coltish" that SJM is likening Gwyn to is her slender, elegant limbs (which you would find on a colt).
Yes, Coltish can also mean "energetic but awkward in one's movements of behaviors" but we know that doesn't describe Gwyn considering "As graceful as Gwyn had been."
E/riel, an adult relationship?! That is hysterical to me.
An adult relationship involves Trust, Communication, thinking in terms of "We" rather than "I".
"He knew she had no idea that he had done unspeakable things that sullied his hands far beyond their scars."
Azriel doesn't share his darkness with Elain because he does not trust she won't be horrified by him.
"Keeping away from Elain as much as possible." "He left the rest unspoken". "Azriel so rarely came to family dinners this days". "Lie, well the second part was a lie." "She extended the wrapped gift, her hand shaking."
Azriel and Elain are both characters who can sense things or easily observe things about others so they are picking up on obvious clues from the other one. That, however, is not the same thing as actually discussing something like two adults. Having an open conversation and being "real" with one another. Not to mention an adult relationship would not involve one persons hands shaking while in the others presence after knowing one another for nearly two years.
Also, a mature relationship would not be one where one person says they've never thought of the other person beyond their sexual fantasies. Mature relationships are ones where you do plan for your future together, the "we" instead of "I". There's no "our" future, it's only" his" fantasies. Az also speaks out against things Elain has specifically said she wanted (not to her face though, he's sure to wait until she's not around to hear him), and decides that he's entitled to speak on behalf of her Mating Bond.
Do people HONESTLY believe that Az and Elain's interactions emulate that of a mature and healthy couple? And that's where people say those two are at, in love with one another.
Az and Elain read like two 15 year olds having a high school crush. Both have experienced some very severe trauma in their lives and a real relationship would be one where that is addressed within the two years of knowing one another, where they have been given free reign to spend together and are both open to the interactions. A mature relationship would suggest that Az might have some insight as to Elain and how she feels about her relationship with the sisters. Where he acknowledges her friendships. I think the POV Bonus Chapter makes it pretty obvious that they still don't much about anything when it comes to the other.
You know, I love these asks but sometimes I sit here and wonder why they are sent anonymously because they are so well thought out and I feel like the senders deserve credit for them!
So many valid points!!
El/riels and their double standards and hypocrisy. It gets old.
They are always going after Gwyn because she's a threat to their ship. If Gwyn had zero interaction with Az and didn't make his chest spark, I promise they wouldn't be going so hard after her character. It's like they went from hating Lucien to Gwyn. Like if y'all have such an issue, take it up with SJM. She wrote the bracelets because it's something she herself has done and wanted it incorporated in her book. Clearly she favored Gwyn enough to add somethinng personally to her character to portray something meaningful between her characters friendships that she does IRL.
She also already confirmed Gwyn is an adult, so my god put that to rest.
Do el/r*els really think all their negative posts about Gwyn will be seen by SJM and force her into a corner and make their ship endgame or something? Why do they come after gwyn like it's a personal vendetta.
I have had enough of reading, not so bright, interpretations of the bonus...
The point of that bonus was not the kiss or the necklace, two things people have completely fixated on . The points that are actually relevant to the bonus....
Azriels mental state:
Azriels thoughts about Elain and the dynamic...
Now change of dynamic to Gwyn
Gwyn and Az aren't in love ... That's ridiculous and it would be really shallow to have Gwyn blushing around Az ... they barely know each other ... isn't that the shallow problem with E*riel?
The purpose of the bonus was Azriels thoughts and how his story is moving .... because the next book is Azriels.... it was a preview of his book ... his thoughts his current mental state .... How does one miss that??????
It's crazy how some readers flat out refuse to aknowledge the very obvious contrast from start to end.
gwyn went back to the library by the end of sf
i could write a fucking essay about how bullshit this is when used by haters/ewriels but im just gonna say something yall should understand as quickly as possible:
progress is not linear.
Shipping doesn’t mean you think that pairing is the best pairing. Shipping doesn’t mean you think that pairing should be canon. Shipping doesn’t mean that you think canon pairings are bad.
All shipping means is that these two characters have an interesting dynamic (good or bad) and you want to write/read/draw it. That’s it.
You can be gwynriel and pro-Elain.
You can be elucien and pro-Azriel.
You can be pro-Nesta and pro-Rhysand.
You can love Nessian and Feysand.
You can love Nesta and Mor.
You can love the inner circle and the Valkyries.
You can like/love Eris.
You can even don't hate/like Tamlin.
They all have different personalities. They all made mistakes. They all have made bad things and good things.
They all have different prespectives, different ways to cope with trauma, different struggles, different pasts...they have different ways of everything because they are different people and that's what makes them relietable and amazing.
"If Azriel really was Gwyn's mate, why did he just gave her to Mor and didn't bother to visit her for 2 years?"
I'm curious to know what their argument will be when they find out that Hunt -Bryce's mate- didn't care about Bryce, was only doing his job and didn't bother to see her for 2 years while Bryce was going through hell. Note that he desperatly did NOT want to work with her when they met again.
And Idk- I wouldn't want to be held by a guy when I was just brutally violeted by men moments ago. 🤷🏻♀️
This, and I'd also add, it obviously didn't fully snap for him yet. 🤷 Azriel is obsessed with the mating bond and getting a mate. But he also can be quite the dumb and he was still hung up on Mor (sangravah was raided in acomaf).
But we've got receipts that something else was going on there:
- why introduce a character that was rescued by Az from there in ACOSF if she's not more important?
- why have her train with az and cass, and privately train with Az specifically?
- why change literal canon of the raid from acomaf to ACOSF to include three fact that Azriel, Mr. Always-leave-one-alive, to slaughter *every single soldier* in that room, which was such a big deal that Cassian told Nesta about it in ACOSF?
-Hunt didn't give feral mate vibes until the HOSAB when they were in danger (and actual mate behavior, not chosen; he has to be part fae).
-Ruhn and Lidia have mate language, but he's fighting it now because he's hurt and angry.
-Rhys knew Feyre was his mate, and still let her go to another man, sweet her up to face the Weaver and as bait for the Attor (the second so Az could interrogate).
-Cassian knew in his heart and still have Nesta time.
-I'm 99% sure Helion and LoA are or were, same when he rescued her before, he slaughtered everyone who hurt hurt with his bare hands. But he's not running into Autumn to steal her back.
Outright feral mate behavior isn't always obvious, and sometimes because of SJMs romantic coding (and the fact that she couldn't decide on a concrete ship for Az until ACOSF), seemed like something but means nothing. Just as, for example, the fact that Azriel decided to go rescue Elain from Hybern's Camp and let her borrow TT was nothing more than sparring his brother, who was injured and had actually volunteered for that first, and him offering her a weapon to protect herself after Cassian had already done so and she declined, but Az knew she was more comfortable with/around him than his brothers. 🤷
So, yeah, when you look at actual SJM mate examples, it's even clearer that, even if our shadowsinger did know (which with his obsession and his bonus chapter is unlikely because he didn't even register the spark in his chest, but SJM made sure we the readers know and saw the difference between his interactions), he actually acted as a mate would.
(Hold onto your schlong, this post is gonna be LONG)
Thank you, ACOTAR fans, for participating in the fandom demographics survey! There were a total of 351 participants who took the survey, and I am extremely grateful for everyone's contributions. I've spent quite a bit of time sifting through the data determining how best to share my findings. I've decided to break them up into several categories, and each section will have the methods, results, and discussion of that category all together.
I do want to remind everybody that this is meant to be in good fun. I don't want any ship wars or character hate in the notes of this post, nor do I want anybody to take these results as a personal attack. Without further ado, let's get into it!
I loved this post and found it fascinating!
