a flip side of “one person’s squick is another person’s fantasy and it doesn’t say much about their RL values” is that there are other subsets of rape fantasy whose focus is squarely on experiencing violence, unwillingness, violation, coercion, distress, etc - it’s quite common in whump and hurt/comfort fanfiction, for example. there can be elements of martyrdom involved, or of having one’s pain validated and projected into larger-than-life form, or other explicable kinds of emotional payoff, but tbh the common denominator in a lot of taboo fantasies seems to boil down to the human brain being really good at both “wow, wouldn’t it be fucked-up if–” and “wow, that sure is a high-voltage psychological hot button you’ve got there! wonder what would happen if someone eroticized it.”
this doesn’t mean the bodice-ripper phenomenon isn’t significant and worthy of attention, of course; i just get twitchy when discussion of it veers towards “well ackshually rape/kidnapping/abuse fantasies are okay because zero women really fantasize about the bad parts - all the violence in fantasies of sexual violence is just an instrumental way to defuse the shame of wanting sex. in fact maybe we should rename them all to ‘ravishment’ or 'reluctance’ or 'forcefulness’ fantasies, and claim true rape fantasies can’t exist and are a contradiction in terms!”
which is an overreach and a misdirection because:
1. i can assure you that lots of people are there for the “not wanting it” part itself and the bad parts in general (and, incidentally, that tons of teens and tweens do in fact have horny teacher crushes, regardless of their opinions on whether that’d be a good idea to pursue IRL)
2. it’s not because they secretly want to be raped either; it’s because what the “you” who’s the POV character of a fantasy wants, what the “you” who’s in control of the narrative wants to run fantasy scenarios about, your actual desires, and your RL choices of what to do/pursue/agree to can all be distinct, often with opaque and paradoxical relationships between them.
3. the shame-avoidance motivation is a super interesting part of bodice-ripper fantasies’ appeal, and goes a long way towards making that appeal understandable to people who aren’t into it, but it is not what grants them some magical ethical-acceptability hall pass. treating it like it is throws a lot of people under the bus for having other mechanisms behind their fantasies, a disproportionate number of whom are people whose damage about rape culture just emerges in a slightly different form.
(there is a parallel temptation among “what if ✨terrible things✨ happened to my fantasy avatar” types to treat more romantic flavors of coercion fantasy as ethically dubious, for sugarcoating abuse or promoting warped understandings of consent and predation or somesuch. and while there are discussions to be had there re: society-wide failures in education on sex and consent, a lot of this reaction also seems to be rooted in squick and desire to distinguish between “virtuous thing i seek out for valid cathartic reasons” and “dastardly, inferior thing that may fall under similar labels but i want to avoid it because it makes my entire psyche break out in hives.” which… are not great conditions for having those conversations.)
anyway, yeah, it can be really hard to pin down what even one person is getting out of a story, let alone generalizing about what everyone who likes an entire subgenre is there for, let alone jumping to ironclad conclusions about its relationship to their values and beliefs. let’s keep that attitude extended to the ~problematic~ fantasies the ravishment stuff tends to get distinguished from when it’s explicated, because they do exist, and often have similarly compelling internal logic of their own.