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A Fractal of Loops

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I literally made a Tumblr to store all the things I see on Tumblr, so I could stop bookmarking them.  And we can all see how well that turned out.   Halo Trash for 14 years and counting. I am an adult, in case that influences your following decision, or your comfort with me following you. Also consider this fair warning that I don't agree with everything I reblog without comment, in fact, I don't even necessarily read things all the way through before reblogging them. If you will find this stressful, think carefully before following me.
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Did you know? The reason citation in APA use only initials and not full names is because some women ran an experiment. They submitted some articles they’d written to a journal and the articles were rejected. They changed nothing about the articles except the authors’ names, which they changed to male names, and resubmitted them. The articles were accepted.

A lot more of the conversation around “academic snobbery” needs to take into account that it’s disproportionately white men who can choose to eschew their titles because they don’t have to worry about being taken seriously as academics, and a lot of the supposed “snobs” who insist on being called Dr. are women and people of color who do that because otherwise we are never taken seriously as the experts we are, our years and years of hard work to acquire those titles are not recognized. Because people just don’t see women and POC as smart and worthy of respect.

(This post focuses on it in a gendered way, but it’s definitely also a race thing that I’ve seen POC, including men, deal with too)

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The tragedy of Achilles isn't that he got mad and was punished for it through the death of his friend.

The tragedy of Achilles is that it took him ten years and a very stupid argument to realize that dying in a pointless war against people who never wronged him was a complete waste of his life and that he valued living over glory, but at that point it was too late to disentangle himself from the cycle of violence that would claim his best friend/lover and inevitably himself.

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"achilles' vulnerable point was his heel" "achilles was never invulnerable and paris shot him in a crucial area" WHAT FUCKING EVER. HE DIED SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY WITH AN AMPUTATED LEG THAT GOT INFECTED.

I am on board with this. Tetanus is a bad way to go.

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50/50 yak silk | thread/light lace weight single | 1754 yds | ? wpi

[id: three picture of yarn that thin and dark brown/warm grey, with some white mix in, shiny. first picture on golden muddy niddy noddy, second picture separate out individual strand to show thin, third is curly untwisted hank. end id]

took 2 week & half see how thin can possibly spin. plan is ply self together to make lace weight yarn for shawl :o

yak silk very very soft n nice

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whoa wait are we taking the bow contest as a serious expression of penelope’s genuine willingness to remarry??? because i was operating with the idea that it’s meant to function the same way as the shroud, giving off the impression that she’s ready to remarry while constructing a situation where she’s never going to have to make good on it– just like how she says she’ll remarry when the shroud’s finished, knowing the shroud will never be finished, now she says she’ll marry the man who can string the bow and shoot the axes, knowing that no man except odysseus can possibly do that. so even if you read her as not recognizing odysseus it’s still just a play for more time, like the shroud. she’d be able to say that she set a perfectly reasonable bride-contest and none of them won her hand, and that would probably be enough to buy her a couple more years. she absolutely does not think that any of them could actually do it.

back on this again and. the bow contest is an impossible task. she sets them an impossible task, a feat Nobody can accomplish, if you will. Odysseus is a man who does the impossible.

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mosslingg

someone with a major in literature and/or poetry tell me what's so poetic about this that it captivated me because i have no idea honestly

hey. what if i just cried on a train. what if.

Is this your type of thing @amtrak-official?

That flower is so pretty and so strong, it's indomitable

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dduane

Even if they say it can't be done...try flowering where you are.

Especially if they say it can't be done. :)

It’s interesting to see this in the framework of a flower (politically defined as: charming, pretty, femme, frivolous, victim) and/or a weed (politically: outsider, indomitable, back-to-nature, resistance, rebellion) and seeing it as a slightly underdog, “nature thriving in adversity” “beauty thriving in industry” “persistence and hope” story. It is and it isn’t! It’s still poetry.

This looks like oilseed rape, a crop plant that provides a bright yellow field of flowers. The flowers become the seeds that are pressed to make a cheap and common cooking oil. Rapeseed is considered a mildly unattractive name so it was rebranded as “canola,” thus the product of oilseed rape is canola oil. Still, a field of these yellow flowers is somewhat awkwardly called a field of rape. The heavy, sweet scent hovers for miles. The United States Canola Association, a lobby professional advocate for the plant , says “the small yellow flowers [also] beautify the environment,” as they try to market something that doesn’t need much marketing.

Rapeseed is hot at the moment - carrying a heavy load. The obviously competitive plant-based oils at the moment - olive oil and sunflower oil - are both embroiled in geopolitics. Sunflower oil was dominated in global production by Ukraine, currently under invasion, and olive oil - a key export of Palestine, and the European trees smashed hard in recent years by the droughts - is a tricky product that relies on ancient little olive trees growing in climate-change-affected deserts in years of unprecedented bad weather. It takes years for an olive tree to make a single olive. So geopolitically, people are clinging a bit to rapeseed - a sturdy and unbothered workhorse of the temperate climates.

Rapeseed’s a brassica, part of the same family as those shape-shifting sisters who are all Basically The Same Plant: broccoli, cabbage, mizuna, pak choi, turnip, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts - let any of those sisters go over, and they’ll all develop the same cheerful yellow flowers. Oilseed rape has an instant and obvious kinship with them. The thick, dusty slightly blueish color to the fat juicy stem and the broad leaves on the bottom giving way to the smaller ones along the distinctive stalk - you can ID a brassica from just a few characters!

Brassicas, most amusingly, like hard going. One wild ancestral brassica, to whom the broccoli sisters strive to return, is Wild Cabbage - it likes to live on rocky sea cliffs, growing on rocks and battered by salt; sea kales, another offshoot of the family, like to grow on beaches. If you see plants growing on a beach, drinking saltwater and digging their roots into sand and rocks, they’re brassicas - that’s it - that is how they like it. It’s completely mad! but it works for them! Other plants probably make memes about brassicas: choosing what is (to plants) a barren alien landscape, whipped by toxic winds, drinking poison, gnawing sustenance from actual sand - and then being so vigorous and juicy, and carefully constructing a crown of yellow flowers. Absolutely wild!

Rapeseed, therefore, scorns the idea that it has to be kept locked up in a comfortable field and farmed. When it leaves its fields and starts wandering, it is called an “escape” - a cultivated plant that’s gotten away. Escaped rapeseed yearns for the beach, or at the very least, the romantic dusty road. It usually lives alongside roads, on waste ground, and in other places where it can find gravel: as you can see, this includes perching jauntily in the gravel of train tracks. Wind? Rocks? Trains? Are you kidding? This is not adversity to oilseed rape. This is what it leaves home for. It’s going to the beach. It’s LEAVING. Farewell, suckers.

In general, people do not actually like this.

Escapes aren’t quite invasive - although that term itself is a little tricky; if the photo is taken in Europe, an escaped brassica has every right to say that it’s had ten thousand years of being perfectly native - but they’re still not-really-wild and would-you-please-stop. An escaped food crop is not the cute underdog kind of weed, not the political lapel pin kind of weed, not the oh-look-it’s-thriving-in-adversity-feeding-the-bees.

Environmentalists don’t want them. They’re not weeds in the sense of Daddy-hated-the-pretty-dandelions-in-the-lawn-wasn’t-Daddy-mean, they’re weeds in the sense of one-step-further-out-of-place-and-you’re-spoiling-the-whole-ecosystem-bucko. The politics of invasiveness hold a finger over the button that says “condemn,” and the moment the rapeseed escape leaves the undisputed unwanted waste ground, it becomes a weed in the sense of deleted-for-the-greater-good. As long as they’re in the waste ground that nobody wants, it’s fine - but watch out! The tolerance is very conditional.

But is it (politically) weed, (politically) flower? I’m always interested in the political projections we put onto plants. This, to me, is funny, like a cow at IKEA; a fancy breed of chicken ordering a drink at a bar. Somebody escaped the grind. Somebody is off to the beach. Farm boy escaping to the bright lights over here. How are you going to keep them down on the farm when they’ve seen gay Paree! It isn’t starving or struggling baby, that’s oilseed rape seeking enrichment! Don’t feel bad for it! It’s escaped! It likes this shit! It’ll be shot down by farmers or environmentalists alike - you’re it’s only friend. Don’t tattle on it, it’s not meant to be here, it barely even Feeds the Bees. It’s taking the midnight train going anywhere!

That’s no delicate flower! That’s a brassica! They’re from the EQUIVALENT OF THE MOON. That’s one of the oldest plant allies we have! And not even because they taste particularly good (debatable) just because we can’t stop them and it’s better to be allies than victims, really. It’s awfully pretty and funny to be flowering (love that for it) but it isn’t precisely in adversity, the mad bastard! it’s about as uncomfortable there as a cottagecore influencer.

That’s no weed! It ain’t the wild! That’s a purebred domestic farmchild with ten thousand of years of genetic engineering behind it! It’s more domesticated than YOU are. And it’s going on holiday. Becoming ungovernable.

It could be a villain! We don’t know! The seeds from that plant - which are happening because it was fit enough to flower- just might get on a train that takes them to INVADE A NEW ECOSYSTEM bahahahahaha! What matters is going on your WAY.

To me it’s the poetry of spotting a friend, the recognition of seeing a dog. The humor of a fancy fluffy chicken living its life. The pleasure in seeing a brassica living in conditions that are a bit like its ancestral wild. The enjoyment of having a bit of knowledge, like hearing a bird song and being able to tell someone, wisely, that it’s a chiff-chaff because it says chiff-chaff. A reminder, once more, that the natural world is full of infinite stories to tell and be told: the most worthy stories that there are. The poetry of it. I don’t see triumph-in-adversity, but a guy having fun. I see human engineering hanging out with human engineering. I see classic brassica behavior. Classic. What a guy. What a legend.

The thing with plants is that they have each evolved to thrive in different niches and conditions. If you leave ANY terrain alone, even a concrete road, very soon you'll have species that looove to break hard soil or rock (or concrete, they really aren't particular) and looove nutrient-poor substrate, or hell, no substrate at all. You would never find them on rich forest floor, undisturbed prairies, etc. They like the disturbed, destroyed place, full of heavy metals and hydrocarbures, thank you very much. Some love to be stepped on, some like to be burnt, others need to be picked (yes, by humans, yes, we're part of the ecosystem in beneficial ways too).

Once these species have broken and enriched the hard concrete and put air and life back into the compacted soil, they'll stop finding the place cozy, and their seeds will not longer germinate. Instead, other seeds will see the richer soil and go "Oh hey! This place is suitable for me now!" and they germinate and you get a new society of species. And so on and so forth. There is no end to this, or linear path, really. Any place may get disturbed again, eventually, making it favourable for the hardass species again.

What I'm getting at is, not only is this little flower content and thriving, but if we let it be, the tracks would soon all be full of these, and other plants too, even if they're not domestic escapees, and they would cheerily completely transform the terrain. Which I find beautiful. Nature is not hard to find, it's begging to intrude everywhere at all times.

What I'm tangentially getting at is, I find it really hard to suspend my disbelief when seeing scenes of post-apocalyptic urban landscape, because characters usually wander in slightly disused streets and buildings, with supposedly abandoned cars. And there are a few dead leaves, some haphazard vines. But there is no lichen. No rust, no moss, no dandelion, no stubborn grasses, no young tree pushing through concrete and stone and even metal, no English ivy, no, and I cannot stress this one enough, no brambles.

It is of course highly dependant on the base biome of the place, so I'm talking about what I know best, but you get the picture. This process would be even more uncontrollably fast in tropical climate, but I bet it would be pretty noticeable in a desert or savannah too.

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Anyway that’s why you wear wool and a life jacket babeeeyyyy

The important thing about wool is that it continues to keep you warm even when it’s soaking wet.

Other natural fibers don’t do this. In fact, quite the opposite. Campers and boaters are usually familiar with the phrase, “cotton kills.” If you’re wet in cotton or linen, your clothes actually sap heat from your body.

If you sink in a lake in late October like I did today, staying warm is important. I was rescued long before I would’ve actually died, but cold makes your muscles seize up, which isn’t good if you have to swim to land.

Which brings me around to life jackets. If the water’s cold enough, you may only have five-ten minutes until your muscles seize (today I probably had 40-60, more than enough time to get to land if I hadn’t been picked up), and you’ll drown.

In a life jacket, even in extremely cold water, you can float semi-conscious for perhaps another 30 minutes or so before you actually freeze to death, which is usually when someone rescues you.

What’s more, you probably know that moving around on land warms you up. Jumping jacks, jogging in place, etc.

In water, moving actually makes you colder. You need to stay still curled up in a ball, which you can only do in a life jacket.

In wool AND life jacket, you’re warm, and your head’s above water, which is pretty much your only and entire goal.

If you’re allergic to wool, synthetics are available specifically for this purpose. I know I always say natural fibers are the way to go, but when it comes to safety, wear what protects you!

Yep! A really simple “experiment” I learned as a kid and now use in my own courses is sticking your hand in ice water. Compare moving it around in the water to curling it up in a fist. The contrast is stark!

To increase your survival time in on cold water, you want to curl up! If you’re with others, you want to huddle!

Again, both are only possible when wearing a life jacket!

I know a lot of people are reblogging this for writing reference, but I like to believe that 7,000 people on this site were actually continually living in fear about this specific situation and that when the time comes, I’ve prepared them with what they need to know to survive.

Writing reference for me, but hopefully helps others.

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some scattered disability and White London thoughts:

  • Schwab missed a hundred thousand opportunities for disability rep; this is a bleak, apocalyptic landscape where one of the prevalent currencies is blood, and both children and adults are frequently attacked for their power.
  • Sign language. Look. Most magicians need to speak to focus their power, though Schwab makes clear it's more a way to keep up concentration than a necessity (take Lila's tiger, tiger, burning bright. So I wanna see that taken to its logical conclusion: tongues removed because many. many people think they! are the source of power, or at least where immense magic will nest.
  • Therefore: A thriving culture of sign language, where everyone is at least semi-fluent.
  • Holland, watching Talya's hands trace the old stories in gorgeous, fluid arcs with her hands as her face takes on a million expressions. Later, finishing them beneath the blankets, fingers tracing words intohis skin in the dark.
  • Holland stands out as much because his Antariness has allowed him to avoid disability as for the power itself.
  • Way the fuck more prosthetics particularly prosthetic hands considering how so many people carve element-control runes directly on their skin. Take away your hands, and some enemies would think they could take away your ability to fight.
  • Lethally sharp hooks for hands, with the runes carved directly into the metal and the most ruthless fighters absolutely willing ready and able to gouge out your eyes with their prosthetics.
  • Consequently: prosthetic care. Eventually, you have to take your hand/hands off; moisturize the stumps etc. Who you choose to be that vulnerable with says a thousand things about your character. (and the moments when you don't particularly *choose* it but you need to anyway because you've had it on too long and the skin is blistering; infection in Makt would be deadly.
  • The irritations of amputations. I know from some other characters I've researched for: things like washing your hair with only one functioning hand: an absolute bitch.
  • Anemia. In AGOS, part of what Ojka says Osaron's powers does is "warm her blood". Everyone in that city must be A. constantly cold; and not cold like a coat can fix. Cold from poor circulation and generally "weak" blood. People who have an affinity with bone magic (Athos, Vortalis, Holland himself) would have a significant advantage because everyone else is moving just slightly sluggishly, always dragging at the weight of exhaustion. It's part of what would make Talya's dancing so fucking _impressive, that she moves like that even despite the headaches, dizziness, etc.
  • Holland as Antari: essentially a fucking human heated blanket to anyone who isn't afraid to be so close to y'know the extremely dangerous magician.
  • God, there's so. so much more, but my brain is swiss cheese. But I at least wanted to start the ball rolling, because I feel like this's a corner of fandom that's just _bursting with possibilities.

(This week's been draining so brain's still a bit scrambled. Will have to poke at wider worldbuilding later.)

So Holland probably has some kind of chronic pain after the Danes, right? We know he was repeatedly hurt badly enough to leave visible scars, something that occurs less often with an Antari's healing.

So if that kind of magic limits scarring to a degree, I can also imagine it lessens the chance of chronic pain. But for Holland to have several of the former, he could also have some of the latter. Seven years of Dane hell with little time of rest and recovery between the incidents is going to have long-term issues.

Maybe he wouldn't notice it at first post ADSOM, either due to Osaron messing with his senses or just to being so used to being in some kind of pain, it faded into the equivalent of background white noise.

Holland in AGOS: "Hmm, pain's lingering but it's probably fine. Too many things to do to get distracted."

Holland cercea and post ACOL: "Oh it's sticking around. Well, this sucks."

Joining the Swiss cheese brain conference. So just some quick thoughts here before I lose them again.

I absolutely agree with the idea that Holland has chronic pain. Pain inflicted by another and by yourself both seem to count for magic, so I imagine that tattooed runes like the ones the twins and Alox have are status symbols: everyone hurts, but you got to decide how you hurt. Conversely, people like poor Nasi who get deliberately ugly scars are marked out as fair game who couldn’t defend themselves. And then there’s Holland, whose major scarring scene with the Danes in ADSOM isn’t because they wanted to use his magic, but because they were hungry. They’re so confident in their own Vitari-fueled magic, they’re able to use the best power source in Makt as a snack.

I don’t believe Astrid has bone magic the same way the men mentioned do? She’s a lightning and illusion girl. There’s a line @muffinworry and I continually make fun of, about how she moves with “awkward grace” during her fight with Lila, because that’s such an oxymoronic phrase - but if she is hampered by that coldness in her blood, that could explain why she moves stiffly. Like a marionette, maybe, or that fight with Pris in Blade Runner.

@muffinworry has also speculated before about how the final stages of magicians’ fading could end up with all their senses being muffled, not just motion: sight, hearing, touch, taste all going, until they’re interfacing with the world not as humans but as magic perceiving magic. I’ve always been struck by the image of the twins being so faded in everything but their eyes remaining blue - it would have been so easy for Schwab to say they had grey eyes to match, but no. So I picture an AU where if they’ve lived longer, both their eyes would turn black as a shark’s, black as an Antari’s.

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muffinworry

(rubs my little hands together @pinkcupboardwitch @ravencromwell @badassbutterfly1987) I love this conversation, because it fits so nicely with my own headcanons about Makt and my complaints about Schwab's world-building, which I find all icing and no cake.

I choose to believe that White London 1) has developed more advanced technology than Red, to compensate for their lack of magic, and 2) has developed a richer sense of community and mutual aid than Schwab envisioned, precisely because their circumstances are so bleak and the people can't trust their rulers.

Also, with the whole analogy of nuclear accident in terms of Black London's collapse, White London is dealing with, essentially, magical radiation. Their magic is necessary for survival, but also cancerous, and the more you use, the worse it is for you. Astrid and Athos are dying, and know it, and only their transfusions of Holland's blood have kept them going for so long. Schwab describes them as desperate in one interview, and that's the undercurrent I imagine.

There could have been so much done with health and disability, and connecting it with George III's mental condition and porphyria, and Rhy's lack of magic in a vaguely eugenicist Red London. It's such a rich topic.

Oh this is all so good! I have brain soup too!

@muffinworry you are so right about the mutual aid and community in White London. I personally imagine that a lot of how White London seems to Kell, is because its Kell, and people who aren't actively looking for trouble are actively avoiding him.

@ravencromwell you have unlocked my most annoying dialogue option (congrats) but:

1) there's a whole array of disability that would be wide-spread in White London because of the obvious widespread malnutrition. Vitamin deficiencies, GI problems, stunted growth, immune deficiency, etc, etc. Schwab has said somewhere that she thinks Holland is six feet tall which is just... incorrect, but I definitely picture him as notably taller than people around him, because being an antari is buffering the effect of having been starved for his whole childhood (same with Lila).

2) Incidentally, I wish we could known a bit about what abject poverty means in Red London as compared to the other two. Like, Red London is swimming in luxury goods, and Lila mentions that the regular people she sees on the street look "wealthier" to her eyes than the equivalents in Grey London but everything we know about real poverty is filtered through Kell, who clearly has no clue. So like, do they have social programs like modern ones (good in theory, frequently hellish in practice), workhouses like what Lila would be familiar with? Like, we see what Lila and Holland think of Kell, and his class status, but I'd be very interested to know what their own relative class in Red London would look like to them.

3) This ties into my personal hobby-horse (sorry @pinkcupboardwitch for inflicting this on you for the nth time), the infant mortality. Regency London had a horrendous infant mortality rate. I'm too brain-dead to dig up my stats but it was hundreds per 1,000 births, and above hte national average. I imagine White London's must be even higher 40% or 50% possibly. But when Emira is worried about her pregnancy (which she clearly had control over) and about Rhy dying, its very clearly portrayed as her having an untreated anxiety disorder. So she clearly isn't living in a world where losing children is virtually inevitable!

4) There's a whole extra layer of disability that goes along with that when I think about it actually. Like, most "childhood illnesses" have disabling sequelae; measles causes blindness and brain damage, polio paralysis, mumps causes deafness sometimess, rubella has a Whole List, etc. That would just be very normal in societies where those diseases weren't contained. Everyone would know someone affected by something like that.

I would probably have more if I had a brain, but I've misplaced mine.

Oh my god I am such soup!

Muffin, you're point about King George, and illness is so good, but also like, this is a story dominated by succession crises and we get zero, not even one, reference to Princess Charlotte! Who, if I remember right died only a few years before ADSOM starts!

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lookninjas

Sidenote: the problem with seriously thinking about crocheting a Rothko (or something Rothko-esque) is that really you would probably want to hand-dye your yarns for the project. And as we all know, that way lies madness, or at least spinning.

But the spinning will ward off the madness so you're all good.

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I remember one of my favorite professors saying that the way he read the iliad changed when he became a parent and I think about that a lot

like it’s about thetis helping her son to disastrous ends it’s about zeus knowing his son is doomed and being unable to save him it’s chryseis’ father trying to bargain his daughter back from the greeks it’s hector and andromache wishing their son will survive but knowing he won’t it’s priam kissing the hand of the man who killed his son just to be able to bury him. the iliad is so fundamentally familial

This has killed me actually.

I am thinking about Thetis and Hecuba and Andromache as a sort of very sad triangle, and I am crying on the floor about it.

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qiyra

Next up in the torment nexus: weed gummies that kill you

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genquerdeer

Some people are taking "Nobody in history has died of a THC overdose" as a challenge.

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lastoneout

Love the people in the notes like "this would fix me" bestie this thing would dissolve your brain into a fine mist. You would discover the kind of mental illnesses Freud could only dream of. Forget meeting the Hat Man this is what turns you into the Hat Man. This is worse than that torture drug that makes you expirience 600 billion years in a second. This is the secret to honest to god shifting. The fucking MK-ULTRA era CIA would tell you to dial it back if you showed them this thing. This is the closest humans have ever come to making a physical manifestation of a bad idea. The only thing this is fixing is fixing to turn you inside out.

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Closest match: Furcifer pardalis isolate Fpa_1 chromosome 9 Common name: Panther chameleon

This is what eating that whole gummy would turn you into

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some scattered disability and White London thoughts:

  • Schwab missed a hundred thousand opportunities for disability rep; this is a bleak, apocalyptic landscape where one of the prevalent currencies is blood, and both children and adults are frequently attacked for their power.
  • Sign language. Look. Most magicians need to speak to focus their power, though Schwab makes clear it's more a way to keep up concentration than a necessity (take Lila's tiger, tiger, burning bright. So I wanna see that taken to its logical conclusion: tongues removed because many. many people think they! are the source of power, or at least where immense magic will nest.
  • Therefore: A thriving culture of sign language, where everyone is at least semi-fluent.
  • Holland, watching Talya's hands trace the old stories in gorgeous, fluid arcs with her hands as her face takes on a million expressions. Later, finishing them beneath the blankets, fingers tracing words intohis skin in the dark.
  • Holland stands out as much because his Antariness has allowed him to avoid disability as for the power itself.
  • Way the fuck more prosthetics particularly prosthetic hands considering how so many people carve element-control runes directly on their skin. Take away your hands, and some enemies would think they could take away your ability to fight.
  • Lethally sharp hooks for hands, with the runes carved directly into the metal and the most ruthless fighters absolutely willing ready and able to gouge out your eyes with their prosthetics.
  • Consequently: prosthetic care. Eventually, you have to take your hand/hands off; moisturize the stumps etc. Who you choose to be that vulnerable with says a thousand things about your character. (and the moments when you don't particularly *choose* it but you need to anyway because you've had it on too long and the skin is blistering; infection in Makt would be deadly.
  • The irritations of amputations. I know from some other characters I've researched for: things like washing your hair with only one functioning hand: an absolute bitch.
  • Anemia. In AGOS, part of what Ojka says Osaron's powers does is "warm her blood". Everyone in that city must be A. constantly cold; and not cold like a coat can fix. Cold from poor circulation and generally "weak" blood. People who have an affinity with bone magic (Athos, Vortalis, Holland himself) would have a significant advantage because everyone else is moving just slightly sluggishly, always dragging at the weight of exhaustion. It's part of what would make Talya's dancing so fucking _impressive, that she moves like that even despite the headaches, dizziness, etc.
  • Holland as Antari: essentially a fucking human heated blanket to anyone who isn't afraid to be so close to y'know the extremely dangerous magician.
  • God, there's so. so much more, but my brain is swiss cheese. But I at least wanted to start the ball rolling, because I feel like this's a corner of fandom that's just _bursting with possibilities.

(This week's been draining so brain's still a bit scrambled. Will have to poke at wider worldbuilding later.)

So Holland probably has some kind of chronic pain after the Danes, right? We know he was repeatedly hurt badly enough to leave visible scars, something that occurs less often with an Antari's healing.

So if that kind of magic limits scarring to a degree, I can also imagine it lessens the chance of chronic pain. But for Holland to have several of the former, he could also have some of the latter. Seven years of Dane hell with little time of rest and recovery between the incidents is going to have long-term issues.

Maybe he wouldn't notice it at first post ADSOM, either due to Osaron messing with his senses or just to being so used to being in some kind of pain, it faded into the equivalent of background white noise.

Holland in AGOS: "Hmm, pain's lingering but it's probably fine. Too many things to do to get distracted."

Holland cercea and post ACOL: "Oh it's sticking around. Well, this sucks."

Joining the Swiss cheese brain conference. So just some quick thoughts here before I lose them again.

I absolutely agree with the idea that Holland has chronic pain. Pain inflicted by another and by yourself both seem to count for magic, so I imagine that tattooed runes like the ones the twins and Alox have are status symbols: everyone hurts, but you got to decide how you hurt. Conversely, people like poor Nasi who get deliberately ugly scars are marked out as fair game who couldn’t defend themselves. And then there’s Holland, whose major scarring scene with the Danes in ADSOM isn’t because they wanted to use his magic, but because they were hungry. They’re so confident in their own Vitari-fueled magic, they’re able to use the best power source in Makt as a snack.

I don’t believe Astrid has bone magic the same way the men mentioned do? She’s a lightning and illusion girl. There’s a line @muffinworry and I continually make fun of, about how she moves with “awkward grace” during her fight with Lila, because that’s such an oxymoronic phrase - but if she is hampered by that coldness in her blood, that could explain why she moves stiffly. Like a marionette, maybe, or that fight with Pris in Blade Runner.

@muffinworry has also speculated before about how the final stages of magicians’ fading could end up with all their senses being muffled, not just motion: sight, hearing, touch, taste all going, until they’re interfacing with the world not as humans but as magic perceiving magic. I’ve always been struck by the image of the twins being so faded in everything but their eyes remaining blue - it would have been so easy for Schwab to say they had grey eyes to match, but no. So I picture an AU where if they’ve lived longer, both their eyes would turn black as a shark’s, black as an Antari’s.

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(rubs my little hands together @pinkcupboardwitch @ravencromwell @badassbutterfly1987) I love this conversation, because it fits so nicely with my own headcanons about Makt and my complaints about Schwab's world-building, which I find all icing and no cake.

I choose to believe that White London 1) has developed more advanced technology than Red, to compensate for their lack of magic, and 2) has developed a richer sense of community and mutual aid than Schwab envisioned, precisely because their circumstances are so bleak and the people can't trust their rulers.

Also, with the whole analogy of nuclear accident in terms of Black London's collapse, White London is dealing with, essentially, magical radiation. Their magic is necessary for survival, but also cancerous, and the more you use, the worse it is for you. Astrid and Athos are dying, and know it, and only their transfusions of Holland's blood have kept them going for so long. Schwab describes them as desperate in one interview, and that's the undercurrent I imagine.

There could have been so much done with health and disability, and connecting it with George III's mental condition and porphyria, and Rhy's lack of magic in a vaguely eugenicist Red London. It's such a rich topic.

Oh this is all so good! I have brain soup too!

@muffinworry you are so right about the mutual aid and community in White London. I personally imagine that a lot of how White London seems to Kell, is because its Kell, and people who aren't actively looking for trouble are actively avoiding him.

@ravencromwell you have unlocked my most annoying dialogue option (congrats) but:

1) there's a whole array of disability that would be wide-spread in White London because of the obvious widespread malnutrition. Vitamin deficiencies, GI problems, stunted growth, immune deficiency, etc, etc. Schwab has said somewhere that she thinks Holland is six feet tall which is just... incorrect, but I definitely picture him as notably taller than people around him, because being an antari is buffering the effect of having been starved for his whole childhood (same with Lila).

2) Incidentally, I wish we could known a bit about what abject poverty means in Red London as compared to the other two. Like, Red London is swimming in luxury goods, and Lila mentions that the regular people she sees on the street look "wealthier" to her eyes than the equivalents in Grey London but everything we know about real poverty is filtered through Kell, who clearly has no clue. So like, do they have social programs like modern ones (good in theory, frequently hellish in practice), workhouses like what Lila would be familiar with? Like, we see what Lila and Holland think of Kell, and his class status, but I'd be very interested to know what their own relative class in Red London would look like to them.

3) This ties into my personal hobby-horse (sorry @pinkcupboardwitch for inflicting this on you for the nth time), the infant mortality. Regency London had a horrendous infant mortality rate. I'm too brain-dead to dig up my stats but it was hundreds per 1,000 births, and above hte national average. I imagine White London's must be even higher 40% or 50% possibly. But when Emira is worried about her pregnancy (which she clearly had control over) and about Rhy dying, its very clearly portrayed as her having an untreated anxiety disorder. So she clearly isn't living in a world where losing children is virtually inevitable!

4) There's a whole extra layer of disability that goes along with that when I think about it actually. Like, most "childhood illnesses" have disabling sequelae; measles causes blindness and brain damage, polio paralysis, mumps causes deafness sometimess, rubella has a Whole List, etc. That would just be very normal in societies where those diseases weren't contained. Everyone would know someone affected by something like that.

I would probably have more if I had a brain, but I've misplaced mine.

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