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Probably Sophia (she/her)? gender is hard
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foone

I wonder what the implications would be if the Pope became a zombie

Like say the Pope is off visiting Canada when the zombie outbreak starts and his little popemobile is overrun and he becomes infected and turns.

Can they elect a new pope right away? Or do they need to wait for someone to kill the zombie pope?

And if someone does, is that a sin for them? Or do you get like automatic sainthood, for services towards the catholic church?

What if the zombie!Pope isn't killed and is instead captured. Does the catholic church try to get him to continue to serve as the Pope? Or do they figure out how to declare him unfit to serve as pope and elect a new pope? Or do they kill him/put him out of his misery? If so, how? Is there a papal executioner?

Also, in case of a zombie apocalypse, does the Pope declare a crusade against the undead?

Are there holy knights of zombie killing?

I grew up in the Catholic faith and I am more than excited to tell you about it! Their action would obviously depend on the Vatican's stance regarding the personhood of the zombie.

If it's a Walking-Dead type of zombie, where the person dies and is completely medically dead before awakening again as a zombie, then they would probably argue that the soul leaves when the person dies, and the resultant zombie does not have the soul of the person. Zombie!Pope would simply be the body of the old Pope, but not his soul. The old Pope would have died and a new Pope would have to be elected.

In this situation, killing the zombie!Pope would not be a sin because the zombies wouldn't have souls. Zombie!Pope would merely be a soulless animal who happens to have fancy vestments on. Killing him would be no more sinful than hunting deer. There may be a call to find the zombie!Pope, either to bury him under proper Catholic burial rites (it is still the body of a dead human and should be treated as such), or to keep him out of the hands of religious zealots who would try to capture him and start their own church (whether or not those zealots actually existed; somebody would probably imagine they do and cause an outcry)

Thanks for the analysis!

Quick question: how does that apply to that time a pope was put on trial posthumously?

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fates0end

That's the Cadaver Synod(s), and like most things that happened during the Pornocracy (which is an actual period of the history of the Catholic Church), the Vatican prefers to forget it ever happened and has since put rules in place expressly forbidding anything like it from ever happening again.

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knives-blue

yeah they jus started kissing one day and havent stopped since

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Alright, fuck it, I'm ranting about how Deltarune theorists treat the Halloween Hack

Forewarning: I'm probably going to come across as rude here, but good LORD is this reading insidious. Alright, so apparently there's an epidemic of using the Earthbound Halloween Hack to justify their Deltarune theories. Something to the effect of 'Well, the Halloween Hack was about you, the player, being a murderer and that the only ethical choice is not to play it and kill the innocent old man, so who's to say he didn't recycle those themes into Deltarune?'

Which would be fine and all if it weren't for the fact that it's wrong. And this has been spreading secondhand by people who have never played nor experienced a LP of the Halloween Hack, so I guess it falls to me to correct it. There are some correct broad strokes here; the character we play as is a bounty hunter in a framing that portrays the job as being a more socially acceptable assassin, and there is a sadistic, possibly third party entity that takes glee in Andonuts' death. But the one thing we know for certain is that it is NOT the player. And by the start of the game, Andonuts is anything but innocent. To elaborate on the latter, the Andonuts in the Halloween Hack is not the goofy old man from Earthbound, but a maniac driven insane with guilt trying to bring the whole world down with them. He's turned his immediate surroundings into a hellscape of bioengineered monstrosities and a few survivors desperately trying to survive, and said monsters are starting to encroach into other towns, it's implied even that those monsters are abducting people - or killing them without even leaving a body. And when Varik comes a'knockin', he doesn't try to deny that he caused this; he fluctuates between laughter and gibbering in terror, locking himself into the Magicant machine in the belief that it will in some way save him. Which brings us to the former.

Now, I'm not sure that Toby had a solid metanarrative idea in mind here - all interactions are portrayed as being spoken to Varik. But it's at this point that the narration (or at least the real world narration), who or whatever it may be, gets VERY pushy. It starts portraying Andonuts as less of a man, and more of some kind of beast, a monster to slay, and urges you to kill him in his sleep. If you choose to do so, it praises you, tells you/Varik that you did the right thing, and then the game ends because that's not the true ending. If you choose the blank second option, the narration gets annoyed, and tells you that you don't have the option to do nothing. But if you press the "B" button, it loses its shit. It starts trying to convince you, pleads with you, telling you that you want to, NEED to kill him, eventually devolving into the rage of the leftmost textbox as Varik enters Andonuts' mental world instead of committing cold-blooded murder.

As you explore his mindscape, you start to piece together the reasons Andonuts ended up this messed up - repressed sexuality, strained relationships, and, of course, the mistaken belief that he personally caused the death of his son and his friends due to a misunderstanding of how time travel works. You're informed that you need to gather Dr. Andonuts' "courage" in order to reach the deepest depths of his mind. As you progress through his memories and self loathing, you find entities that call themselves "courage". However, it becomes more and more clear, until Poo outright states it, that they are actually some kind of psychic projection (Earthbound is about kids with psychic powers FYI) from the kids who Andonuts thinks he killed (besides Ness, who for some reason that even the game seems to be confused about is narratively equated with Varik), from the new timeline they ended up in after killing the game's main antagonist. The motives get clearer too; at first, you're told that their goal is to 'help' or 'save' Andonuts in some vague way, but as you progress, it becomes clearer and clearer that Andonuts has gone far past the point of no return; Poo makes it clear that they know they can't save-save Andonuts, and the best thing they can hope for is to stop him from mentally torturing what little is left of himself in his dream world. And then, the final battle. It starts with fighting Andonuts' Id, a gory, deformed creature that does nothing but be miserable and beg for mercy. This feels less like cruelty, and more of a necessary evil; the status quo is only making Andonuts lose his mind more, and killing it isn't the same as killing Andonuts, as evidenced by the fact that Andonuts is still there to fight you after you kill it. After that, you fight Andonuts' Rage, who claims that with the Id gone, his mind is nothing but hatred. Whether it's true or not, he makes it quite clear that the Andonuts we are fighting is pure anger; there's the memey dialogue, which, while somewhat tastelessly executed and overly crude by modern and professional standards, does the job quite well at portraying him as a being composed of hatred. There's also his most powerful attacks being "PSI Bitchkill" and kicking you in the dick really hard. Yes, really.

Ultimately, Andonuts' Rage is defeated, and Magicant fades away, and we find out the outcome - Andonuts is dead. The game muses on what the point of this whole thing was if he was going to die anyway, and closes out on Varik musing on how his life is pretty good, a fart joke, and a 'Happy Halloween' from Toby.

Now, while you could be forgiven for interpreting Magicant as being pointless, and you are intended to feel cheated on some level, I don't think it's quite so simple. Yes, Andonuts dies no matter what you do, but the portrayal of it is treated quite differently. Killing him right off, between the tone of the narration and the lack of ending, feels gross and wrong. His death upon beating his mental hangups feels more melancholic. Like you tried to do the right thing, but failed.

And I feel the weight of Magicant is important too - you actually come to understand and even feel bad for Andonuts, rather than simply writing him off as a monster and discarding him. The canon heroes, too, find it to still be worth it to try to put him out of his misery to try to give him some semblance of a peaceful death, given how they're all gung-ho on finishing the adventure and how Poo acknowledges that there's no way at this point that Andonuts can reach a happy ending.

So, to try to bring it back around to Deltarune, if there's anything that Toby took from this to bring to Deltarune's plot, I believe it is this sentiment:

Sure, Andonuts died either way. Whatever you try, that can't be changed. But still, there is value in your choice to disobey the narration. there is value in choosing to understand him, despite being doomed, in trying to give him a better death than being stabbed in his self-torture chamber. Yes, what you chose to do may not change anything. But there is still meaning in the fact that you chose to do it.

If Deltarune really does only have one ending (and that little question mark in that one description is putting that into doubt), you participating in Kris' story, and how to choose to do so, still matter. Snowgrave wouldn't be that big of a deal if they didn't. Choosing not to play might even end up being the worst outcome for that world.

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the reason my interest in WKTD continues to cycle is because sometimes you just gotta fucking tear your heart out and listen to a Catholic lesbian hate herself

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margle

straight women need to start fetishising sapphic women so there can be more femslash fan fiction. we gotta outsource and get more writers on board. I want it to get to the point where two women cant be on screen together without having a 80k space opera fic written about them. I want show runners to be scared of cancelling sapphic shows because legions and legions of fans will come after them. dont tell me my priorities are wrong.

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abalidoth

straight women, you have been summoned for yuri duty.

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evilwizard

now, ladies and gentlemen of the jury… i may not be a “big city” lawyer. indeed, indeed, and i do declare… i may in fact be, ah, temporarily free—on probation—from my imprisonment in the wretched crystal. but do not let these simple facts, these minutiae, distract you from 1,000 gigavolts lightning strike upon the courtroom

uh, ahem. i said 1,000 gigavolts lightning strike upon the courtroom. *wiping my forehead with a handkerchief* it appears my powers aren’t working your honor

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bloodraven55

you can love a character and still admit when they’re wrong…. i love homura but can acknowledge her flaws (she has none) and can hold her accountable for her wrongdoings (she’s never done anything wrong in her life) and call her out for her actions (which are always correct)

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Computer! Show me artwork that’s stylized and abstract enough for it to be unclear at first glance whether it depicts Jade Harley, Taylor Hebert, or Danny Sexbang.

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what your favorite Parahumans ship says about you

(Obviously based on / inspired by @doubleca5t’s video series)

Taylor/Emma: You had a really hard time coming out as a lesbian.

Taylor/Sophia [ShadowSkitter]: Your favorite fanfic trope is enemies to lovers.

Taylor/Madison: You like redemption arcs, but you’re kinda lazy about it.

Taylor/Lisa [Smugbug]: “Be gay, do crimes” is not just a meme to you, it is your personal motto, it is your way of life. 

Taylor/Rachel [Wolfspider]: You are queer and neurodivergent. 

Taylor/Brian [Skrue]: Considering how uncommon this ship is you might honestly be Wildbow. 

Taylor/Alec [Jitterbug]: Your addiction to edgy boys who have trouble talking about their feelings is terminal. You have seven days left to live. 

Alec/Brian: You’re doing your best in a series with barely any viable M/M ships in the main cast. 

Alec/Brian/Lisa/Rachel/Taylor [Polysiders]: You’re super into the found family trope. You’re also super horny. 

Aisha/Taylor [Forgetabug]: “Hoe don’t do it” is your favorite meme and ideal relationship dynamic.

Aisha/Brian [Laborncest]: You have an incest kink. And low standards.

Aisha/Alec: Doing crimes is more important to you than being gay.

Amy/Victoria [Guts & Glory]: You have an amazing ability to ignore the parts of canon you don’t like. And you have an incest kink.

Amy/Taylor [Pillbug]: You are a firm believer in the inherent eroticism of being lonely together.

Taylor/Victoria [Punch Buggy]: Your appreciation for strong female protagonists is only outweighed by your appreciation for exploring trauma.

Amy/Taylor/Victoria: You think most friendship drama could be solved with a threesome. And you have an incest kink.

Amy/Lisa: You just wanted good things for Amy. And really, you’re allowed to want that.

Lisa/Victoria: You’re just here for the hatesex.

Dean/Victoria: You had a pretty easy time of it in high school. 

Uber/Leet: One of the hottest things you can imagine is a dude saying “no homo” just as he gets balls deep in his boyfriend’s ass.

Lily/Sabah [Needlepoint]: You are a firm believer in the inherent eroticism of protecting someone.

Taylor/Dennis [Clockroach]: You like Worm, but you don’t get why it has to be so dark and morally ambiguous all the time.

Danny/Jack Slash [Jack Daniels]: You are desperate, DESPERATE for father figures. 

Assault/Battery: You think any joke can only be improved by slapstick.

Contessa/Number Man [Countessa]: You also ship Chell and Wheatley. 

Colin/Dragon: You’re a robofucker, obviously, but more than that you’re a transhumanist.

Ashley/Victoria [Starsong]: Your favorite fanfiction trope is useless lesbians.

Sveta/Victoria: You’re a firm believer in the inherent eroticism of shared trauma.

Erin/Rain: You have at least a passing interest in trad aesthetics, and a strong interest in FLR. 

Sveta/Weld: You like your monsters tragic and your relationships tragic-er. 

Rain/(any of the Heartbroken girls): You’re into femdom.

Jack Slash/Number Man: You toil in the yaoi mines all day and all night and have done so for at least twenty years.

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This Pride I want us all to take a minute to reflect on those brave but forgotten queer souls who worked on The Epilogues and Homestuck 2 with the goal of seeing Homestuck with queer content 'done right' and fucked it up so much worse than anyone thought humanly possible.

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roach-works

hey i just wanted to say thanks for still expressing positive sentiments towards homestuck even after all this time. most BNFs aren't creating fanworks as much anymore (no one could maintain that intensity forever tbh!) but when they completely divorce themselves from that part of their life it's just... those creations brought a lot of joy, and it's extra sad when they feel the need to go scorched earth. i'm happy your works are still around and i really do wish you all the best going forward!

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i think a lot of us abandoned homestuck because of two factors: the first was the collapse of the proudly sex-positive fandom space that let us be weird and creative without fear or shame, and the second was the fact that homestuck ended, then launched several epilogues, in a way that seemed specifically designed to mock fans for caring.

like, some very dark, sad, awful things seemed to happen to hussie, and he certainly did not have a good time with his own fandom. but from the perspective of someone in the audience, if a show i love turns on me and starts directly insulting me for loving it, caring for it, and hoping for the best, i get up and leave the theater.

'isn't it horrible to be the hero? aren't stories just prisons? isn't love ultimately meaningless? isn't hope the main driver of tragedy?' sure, fine. yeah. you're not the first man to ask these questions. they're big damn questions!

'aren't you stupid for sitting there and watching me ask these questions? because the answer is that i'm an idiot for asking them and you're twice an idiot for thinking that the answers might be worth the wait.' now you're just being an asshole to yourself, your story, and your audience. im taking my toys and going home.

homestuck was a brilliant, fascinating, unprecedented monument to storycraft... and it ended like a sandcastle getting kicked over by a toddler. that, to me, is the central tragedy of the piece.

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One idea for a potential solution (though I’m not sure what we’d do until then as since some if not all of the after-the-ending material wasn’t technically official as it wasn’t technically made by him, you can’t have an “unofficial sequel” try to make itself “here’s what actually happened” without acknowledging what we got being on the same level of canonicity if both are given any higher weight than any other given fanfic) is if Homestuck could be visual-media-adaptable at all, try to make a show that fixes the plot but has some of the plot threads added to fix things basically meta-symbolize why we’re fixing it for these reasons (y’know, the fixing having as much weird meta-resonance about the nature of fiction as the breaking)

i politely but STRONGLY disagree: you can’t fix homestuck. it was finished in such a way as to deliberately break it and leave it broken and have that brokenness stand as a monument to the waste of it all.

you can not fix homestuck because it is, by its nature, on every level, a story about the futility of stories, and a story about breaking stories, and a story about how stories break the people inside them and outside them and trying to escape from them and watching helpless from outside.

in every act, from every perspective, the story breaks. it breaks the fourth wall. it breaks the timeline. it betrays its own premises repeatedly, it breaks promises, it subverts expectations and then subverts those subversions. it contradicts itself and laughs at you for expecting honesty. it sets characters up and drops them to shatter. it tells you that this time maybe you’ll kick the football and then it eats the football.

you can’t fix homestuck because it does not want you to. it would be like trying to fix a smashed egg with a dead chicken while the kitchen’s on fire. you’re trying to do something that’s too late, that’s always been too late.

like, this is the insane power of this fantastic, bewildering tragedy: it is so broken that it breaks your heart. ten years later you still want to fix it, and you couldn’t then and you won’t now. two vast and trunkless legs of stone lie in the desert and on their shattered pedestal is a dick joke that hates you personally.

incredible piece of work. 0/10 stars. 10/10 stars. and a fist full of penis.

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gaphic

I just... genuinely cannot relate to this reading? to me the end of homestuck (by which I mean act 7, I don't think it's fair/logical to count the epilogues) always felt like an invitation, open and warm

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sayahomu

venitune with GUN + a bonus jupiter

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loha-prasat

i dont know what fandom this is for but it’s a little gutsy to use planet-based names in a post-sailor moon world

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fates0end

Oh believe me, We Know The Devil's Sailor Moon allusions are deliberate. Venus' weapon is implied to be a whip or chain of some kind, Jupiter wears a hair tie on her wrist even though we never see her with her hair up, and Neptune is a water-aligned champion of verbal combat who makes no effort to deny or hide how gay she is, and they're in a camp for would-be magical girls that fail to live up to rural Christian norms.

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