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Chad the aro fratboy

@allosexualbislut

Aromantic bisexual genderqueer autistic neurodivergent white ask me to tag anything don't bring up kink discourse on my posts

(in response to some recent anons)

Some of y'all, (and actually, I’ve only ever see transmascs do this) in the trans community are really looking for any opportunity to hate on trans women

As soon as a trans woman does something bad, y'all will compare her to terfs, you will apply transmisogynistic stereotypes onto them, etcetera, and I think it’s disgusting, because then you pretend to care about trans women, reblogging little one word positivity posts (while you reblog entire resource posts for transmascs) and being anti-terf (which doesn’t make you pro-trans woman)

And then there is the fucking untruths, calling us “shady” and too aggressive when you can’t think of a reason to hate us, saying “I heard someone say they’re bad” when you can’t be bothered to give us a reason why you hate us, trying to send us asks to catch us out by accusing us of transmisogyny ourselves, or even accusing us of being your oppressors, and I’m fucking sick of it

And of course there’s the transmisogynistic jokes, and the hcing of male characters to be transfem, and the drawing of trans women to be hypermasculine, AND THE ENTIRE THING WHERE YOUVE ESSENTIALLY PUSHED US OUT THE TRANS COMMUNITY

I’m so sick of having to deal with those that do this, I’m sure it’s not all transmascs, but I’ve met 3 transmisogynistic transmascs for every 1 transmasc ive met who is an ally to transfem, and that’s not good, more of you need to be allies, that is vital for the survival or the community

Non-transfem are encouraged to reblog, but if you’re cis or a man/masc don’t think of clowning on this post

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trendertavros

Hey motherfuckers, reblog this. Whenever a transmasc person like me makes a post about how we need to do better about transmisogyny it gets thousands of notes, but I’ve never seen a transfem person’s post on the subject get that popular.

Can’t we please just listen to the people who are actually affected by this instead of casually making posts about how it’s bad and congratulating ourselves for our minimal effort?

Come on, guys. We should be better than this.

Anonymous asked:

Hooooowwwww do you feel about lesbians who claim femme is a lesbian-only term and others are appropriating it?

/cracks knuckles//rolls up sleeves/WELLL SINCE YOU ASK… :-DIntellectually, it’s not, and it is historically inaccurate to say that it is, although I can certainly see how that misconception arises. It definitely comes from the radfem community specifically, not just the lesbian community in general, and I think that this is one of the small risks in separatism, or in any situation where your information comes primarily from one group: you can end up coming to conclusions that make perfect sense but that are incorrect because they’re based on an incomplete picture. Like, personally, I have a similar cultural context – I went to a women’s college, I mostly consume media by women, most of the people I know are women – and it didn’t occur to me for AGES to be like “wait a minute, of course gay and bi men have been using that term for just as far back as any recorded lesbian use.” Or “wait a minute, why would we ever assume that term was originated by and for women in the first place, when it describes something that stands out so much more clearly if you are presenting and/or identifying as a guy?” I didn’t think to even research that stuff. I tripped over it when I started googling the origins of the term “femme” and was suddenly hit by tons of stuff about Polari, and gay and bi male history, and was like “oh crap of course.” But you asked how I feel. And how I feel about it is annoyed and despairing, by turns. (And a little bit of schadenfreude, to know that the term “butch” was actually appropriated from the Black community in the first place. There’s a horrifying but almost satisfying amount of irony in seeing people tell everybody else they can’t use a term that it turns out they stole from another part of their community in the first place. It’s the lingustic equivalent of white people opposing immigration.) What bothers me about it is not that I specifically care so much about the term “femme”. It’s two things, I guess. First, it’s how EMPHATICALLY people insist that the term is “created by lesbians, for lesbians only,” and how vigorously people use that to shut down bi women. And it’s weird that I’ve never thought about this before, but iirc, I’ve ONLY seen people tell bi and maybe asexual women that they can’t use the term “femme.” Not straight women. Not men of any stripe. (I’ve heard that people even tell lesbian trans women they can’t use it – TWERFs, obviously.) (I don’t think that anyone who says it’s “for lesbians only” would think that straight women, or any men, were allowed to use it. But I also don’t see anybody railing against them using it.) Just the dynamics of it bother me. There are no citations for it, no sources for the claim that it came from 1950s lesbian bar culture or that it was intended to describe Lesbians Only. People just say it REALLY emphatically, really firmly, and everybody goes “omg this is really important to them” and passes it around. I’ve seen bi and trans people apologetically tell each other that we can’t use the term. I’ve seen radfems shout down and mock people who try to oppose the argument. It bothers me because it comes from this emotionally abusive dynamic that the radfem community on Tumblr has. That dynamic is really what bothers me. The tactics the community uses are to be really sarcastic and dismissive of anyone they oppose or disagree with; to tone-police and gatekeep; and to shout over or openly make fun of people. And you can see it triggering people. People read this stuff and, because it’s delivered in this emotionally abusive manner, immediately just sort of submit to it. Immediately assume that it’s true, that they themselves have been super oppressive of others by using terms like “femme” or “queer” or “monosexual”. We don’t even check how the terms are used now, how they were used historically, what the logic is, none of it. And you can often see people reacting like, “this person is very upset about this term and a little bit scary to me, I’ll make myself safe by accepting what they say and spreading their message so they won’t attack me.” It’s not a conscious thought process, it’s just sort of an automatic acceptance-and-passing-on-and-vehemently-defending. Which is understandable, not only because so many of us have abuse histories, but also because the common response from the radfem community when people do argue any of these points is to attack people in very dismissive, mocking, emotionally abusive ways. And second, it bothers me because it’s bi erasure. There’s no way to argue that this term was invented by, and only used for, lesbians, if bi people exist in your mental picture of history. It bothers me because I know, too well, that the way bi erasure works (and the way biphobia in general works) is that we just sort of get left out of… well kind of everything, but in this case, history, and more importantly, the shared community memory of how things used to be. And then people repeat the story we’re missing from, over and over. And it becomes proof and fact, this story we’re not in. And people use it to say (falsely, but they don’t know these things are false) that the word femme is for lesbians only and always has been; that asexuals aren’t queer and/or can’t use the word queer (because they never learned that until the mid-90s, the ace community was part of the bi community); that bisexuals don’t belong at the Pride parades we started; that bi people don’t really participate in the “LGBT political movement”; that Freddie Mercury and Vincente Minnelli (Liza Minnelli’s dad) and Frida Kahlo and Sappho were gay, not bi; and that it’s homophobic/lesbophobic to say that anyone popularly assumed to be gay was actually bi…. without ever knowing that they’re just repeating examples of bi erasure. (and then if you bring up bi erasure, they erase your experience further by saying, “lmao like HYPERVISIBILITY IS A PRIVILEGE??!?!” like no, hypervisibility is also a kind of erasure. it’s just an erasure that’s a few steps up, where you get to exist but only as a villain or sex robot. and anyone with any knowledge of biphobia and bi culture knows that we experience the erasure of hypervisibility too. the very few characters that are actually labeled as bisexual are still almost exclusively portrayed as hypersexual villains.)  And this is just one tiny piece of all of that. But it’s one that shows up over and over again on Tumblr. It’s a microaggression. Each one is a small papercut, a sharp reminder that the communities we love and rely on and support and relate to, that claim to support us because we are same-gender-attracted… don’t know or support our culture, don’t know or support our history, and really only support us when or if we are same-gender-attracted. That we are supported to the extent that we are the same, only. …My one regret in writing this is that if i get generic anon hate about it, I will never know, because I’m already getting generic anon hate for reblogging that post about how Fallout4 is transphobic. Tsk and alas. 

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Where do people get the idea that Straight people, and by that I mean people with full access to straight privilege, would ever want to identify with a non-straight identity or be associated with the lgbt+ community in any way?

When has a heterosexual, heteroromantic, cisgender, perisex person ever thought to themselves: “Wow, I want a pride parade too! Time to make up a new identity that I can call myself, so I can be just like the gays!”

Instead of thinking: “wow, I want a pride parade too! Why isn’t there a straight pride march? Those fucking gays, oppressing us straight folks!”

Seriously. Straight people don’t want to change their label to be a part of the lgbt+ community. If they want to be associated with us at all, they’ll do it under the banner of an ally.

There is no epidemic of straight people wanting to be a part of the lgbt+ community. People who want to join the community have a reason to want that, and that reason is that they actually are part of an oppressed minority, even if you don’t understand their weird new labels.

If they didn’t need the community, they wouldn’t want to get in.

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bickerbasket

I made a really long reply to this post, but then I deleted it. Why? Well, I just think this post is too silly for that long of a reply. Dude, in middle school a group of my “friends” decided it was cool to call themselves pansexual. As a bisexual person, I was easily roped into them because I was confused, and so were several actually straight people who just wanted to fit in. You can’t deny that some people think being LGBT is trendy.

Also, it’s kinda weird that you’re almost implying that all or most straight people hate LGBT people. I know that many of the straight people in middle school that were confused are now avid allies for the LGBT community. They were just confused kids that wanted to be supportive and cool! Assuming that all straight people are out to get you is really negative and honestly judgmental. My best friend is straight, and she’s the best ally ever; always asking questions, always willing to learn.

Hi! Please don’t call me dude.

This post wasn’t about your specific friendgroup exploring an already existing label for whatever personal reasons each of you had.

I never said that all Straight people hate us, I explicitly mentioned allies in my post. Does your best friend call herself a Straight ally? If so, this post wasn’t about her or people like her either.

This post was a response to people who say: “Asexual is an identity straight people made up to call themselves queer.”

“Nonbinary genders aren’t real, they were just invented so cis girls could feel special for not liking pink.”

And other comments in the same vein.

I do not believe that all Straight people are out to get me, but my post was about the fact that Straight people don’t invent identities so they can call themselves LGBT+.

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bickerbasket

Shoot, I meant no disrespect. I apologize, for saying dude, and for my tags. Didn’t read your bio, just read your post. That was my bad!

Now that you’ve explained what this post was addressing, I get your point now. I mean, I don’t exactly agree with it, but I get it. I thought you were addressing something completely different, so I missed the point of the post. Whups.

Thank you for apologizing.

I'm always happy to explain myself further, thank you for listening!

Where do people get the idea that Straight people, and by that I mean people with full access to straight privilege, would ever want to identify with a non-straight identity or be associated with the lgbt+ community in any way?

When has a heterosexual, heteroromantic, cisgender, perisex person ever thought to themselves: “Wow, I want a pride parade too! Time to make up a new identity that I can call myself, so I can be just like the gays!”

Instead of thinking: “wow, I want a pride parade too! Why isn’t there a straight pride march? Those fucking gays, oppressing us straight folks!”

Seriously. Straight people don’t want to change their label to be a part of the lgbt+ community. If they want to be associated with us at all, they’ll do it under the banner of an ally.

There is no epidemic of straight people wanting to be a part of the lgbt+ community. People who want to join the community have a reason to want that, and that reason is that they actually are part of an oppressed minority, even if you don’t understand their weird new labels.

If they didn’t need the community, they wouldn’t want to get in.

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bickerbasket

I made a really long reply to this post, but then I deleted it. Why? Well, I just think this post is too silly for that long of a reply. Dude, in middle school a group of my “friends” decided it was cool to call themselves pansexual. As a bisexual person, I was easily roped into them because I was confused, and so were several actually straight people who just wanted to fit in. You can’t deny that some people think being LGBT is trendy.

Also, it’s kinda weird that you’re almost implying that all or most straight people hate LGBT people. I know that many of the straight people in middle school that were confused are now avid allies for the LGBT community. They were just confused kids that wanted to be supportive and cool! Assuming that all straight people are out to get you is really negative and honestly judgmental. My best friend is straight, and she’s the best ally ever; always asking questions, always willing to learn.

Hi! Please don't call me dude.

This post wasn't about your specific friendgroup exploring an already existing label for whatever personal reasons each of you had.

I never said that all Straight people hate us, I explicitly mentioned allies in my post. Does your best friend call herself a Straight ally? If so, this post wasn't about her or people like her either.

This post was a response to people who say: "Asexual is an identity straight people made up to call themselves queer."

"Nonbinary genders aren't real, they were just invented so cis girls could feel special for not liking pink."

And other comments in the same vein.

I do not believe that all Straight people are out to get me, but my post was about the fact that Straight people don't invent identities so they can call themselves LGBT+.

I’ve been seeing a lot of nb people struggling with how to identify lately so I want to clear up a few misconceptions.

“Cis” is just short for “cisgender.” It isn’t an acronym. It’s an abbreviation. It doesn’t mean you’re “comfortable in [your own] skin.” It means that you 100% identify with the binary gender you were assigned at birth.

Being cis isn’t about loving your body or not wanting to change your body. Anyone can love their bodies or feel comfortable in them.

“Trans” is just short for “transgender.” It’s an abbreviation. It doesn’t mean “transitioning.” It means you don’t 100% identify with your assigned binary gender at birth. For many, that means they identify 100% with the other binary gender. But it could also mean identifying outside the binary.

So nonbinary people can call themselves trans, even if they aren’t transitioning from one binary to another. Obviously, no one has to call themselves trans. But nonbinary identities are inherently not cis, and can fall under the trans label if you feel comfortable with it.

The act of transitioning doesn’t have to mean that you get surgery on both the top and bottom of your body and change your name and presentation and all that other stuff. You can transition without getting surgery or by only getting some surgery. You can transition by changing your presentation only a little or a lot or not at all. You can transition by changing your name even if you don’t do it legally. Transition looks different from everyone and so the fact that you aren’t doing it in one very specific way doesn’t mean you aren’t doing it or aren’t capable of doing it. And frankly, you don’t have to transition at all. You could keep the same name and pronouns and presentation and everything if you want. Identifying as nonbinary is enough. You don’t have to do more than that to prove you’re not cis.

Gender =/= presentation. You can present as feminine or as masculine as you want and it has no effect on whether you’re really nonbinary or not.

Your pronouns don’t determine your gender. Use whatever feels comfortable for you. If you are afab and want to go by “she,” that is just as valid as being afab and going by “they” or “ze” or anything else. You aren’t cis just because you don’t feel comfortable using unique, new, or complex pronouns. Using common or gendered pronouns is okay.

Yes, you can be nonbinary even if you’re x orientation. Orientations almost never require you to be binary, and those that do don’t usually need you to be 100% binary, so asking, “can I be nb if I’m also bi/pan/demi/whatever” isn’t necessary. Nb lesbians exist so why can’t you be nb and your orientation?

The only orientation I can’t picture an nb person being is straight, because we don’t have an opposite binary gender to which to be attracted. But I understand if you feel like there isn’t a better word for you.

There are orientations coined just for nb people. It might be worth looking them up if you’re feeling confused. But remember that you don’t have to identify with them. Nb people can be a lot of different orientations. You don’t have to choose one that you don’t feel works for you just because you’re nonbinary. There is no one orientation nonbinary people have to be.

You’re not less nb if you’re not sure what gender you are yet. All you need to know right now is that you’re not 100% binary.

Yes, you can be nb even if you partially identify with your assigned gender at birth.

No, you don’t need to have a hyper specific gender identity. Yes, it’s okay if you have a hyper specific identity. Both vague and specific identities are valid, so use whatever feels right to you.

Yes, it’s okay if you don’t experience dysphoria. No, you don’t need dysphoria to be trans or nb.

You don’t have to be aligned with any binary gender. Yes, it’s okay if you are.

Yes, it’s okay to change your label or explore new labels. Yes, it’s okay if you don’t want to label yourself right now. No, changing your label a bunch doesn’t make you invalid. Yes, it’s okay to question your gender. No, you’re not a bad person if you thought you were x and you’re actually y. Yes, it’s okay if one day you decide you’re not really nonbinary.

Hope this helps some of you.

With love,

❄💙 Bella 💙❄, your local genderqueer.

Don’t let TERFs trick you

- cis straight ppl aren’t invading our community by pretending to be anything

- not all intersex people want to be excluded from the LGBTQ+ community, this is actually a minority who do

- no one is making you have sex with a trans person … no one

- no one is trying to silence you talking about your own genitalia

- trans people - esp trans women - really don’t have any power at all

- marsha p johnson was a woman

So many of yall havent ever been to a public lgbtqa space and/or support group and only base your politics about gender and sexuality from tumblr posts instead of also reading academic texts or books on the topic and it fucking shows .

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thefemaleofspecies

Your GSA meetings arent gonna be full of “Mogai libqueers"or whatever you call them and wont have conversations about the difference between demisexual and gray asexuality.Random girls arent gonna assume that you are in a queerplatonic relationships with your best friends.Your therapist isnt gonna ask u to chose microidentities instead of l/g/b/t identities.L/G/B/T people arent gonna be kicked out of “queer cafes” bc people want to make “more space” for “cishet” asexual people and hate LGBT people.Cis straight women who arent into BDSM arent going to call themselves “queer” bc they think “its cool” when there is still alot of institutional and societal violence and discrimination faced by queer people in real world.  Cis straight people arent desperate for entering lgbtqa spaces and arent gonna likely make up “false mogai microidentities” to “feel special “.

The real world is full of cis straight normativity conforming people who still treat lgbtqa people like shit so PLEASE PLEASE stop acting like all these issues I listed are some pressing matters needing to be addressed 24/7 on discourse blogs and memes and like, maybe dedicate more times addressing actual issues faced by lgbtqa people.Stop listening to people here who act like running a discourse blog on tumblr and harassing ace people and people with microidentities is the only good lgbtqa activism and go visit your local lgbtqa groups or read books from legit authors about these issues.

Stop alienating questioning and lgbtqa minors from their school lgbtqa groups and lgbtqa courses in colleges by implying that all lgbtqa activists outside tumblr are bunch of "kweer mogais” who are going to convert lgbt people into shitty microidentities.

For a group of people who scream “Go outside!! 1!!1” everytime someone calls you out on your bullshit, so many of yall sure are detached from reality

First of all, anyone who can’t say “I’m a cis [man/woman] and exclusively attracted to [women/men] in both a romantic and sexual sense” isn’t Straight™

If someone’s answer to “who are you sexually attracted to?” is “no-one” then that puts them at odds with heterosexism

Second: cis heteroromantic aces and heterosexual aros are in the minority.

Aces and aros with an additional queer identity are the majority of aces and aros, and certainly the majority of people involved with discoursing.

To worry about “cishet aces invading the community” is not just wrong but disingenuous as well.

Third: Only people who get more out of being with LGBTQIAP/MOGAI/queer people than they get out of being with Straight society are going to seek us out.

Only people for whom it makes sense to be here are going to be here, anyway. Filtering happens naturally, since we are not exactly a desirable group.

A homophobic woman happily living the white picket fence life who could identify as het ace is never going to identify as het ace. She does not want to be associated with us and she has not been punished enough for her lack of sexual attraction for it to have a significant impact on her life. She could identify as asexual but she doesn’t, thus she isn’t.

A misogynistic dudebro having a ton of one night stands who could identify as het aro is never going to identify as het aro. He would never want to count himself among us and he has not been punished for his lack of romantic attraction in a way that pushed hold towards us. He could identify as aromantic but he doesn’t, thus he isn’t.

These two propaganda pieces have never been and will never be who REGs are pushing out of the community.

newsflash: if you arent attracted to your partner you are in an unhealthy relationship. if youre asexual and you have sex w your partner and don’t tell them youre ace that’s literal rape. don’t start relationships with people you don’t love

Hey, I have a few questions about this post.

1) Who is raping who in your hypothetical situation there? From context I believe that you mean the asexual person is getting raped, but the “if you don’t tell them” part makes it sound like the asexual person is raping or hurting their partner by not telling them.

What do you mean by this?

2) Asexual doesn’t necessarily mean that one does not experience romantic attraction. If one is in romantic love with their partner, but experiences no sexual attraction to them, is the relationship still unhealthy?

3) If you reverse this situation to have someone who experiences sexual attraction to their partner, but not romantic attraction, is it unhealthy too?

Mind you, this does not necessarily have to include any aromantic people, “friends with benefits” and one-night-stands generally don’t involve romantic love.

Is this inherently unhealthy too?

4) What is your opinion on sex workers who may or may not be asexual, who sleep with people they by and large aren’t attracted to for money? Do you believe this is unhealthy too?

1) yeah sex under false information is rape, thinking that you are loved while being used as a tool is rape. if an ace person doesnt tell their parenter they arent attracted to them theyre a rapist

2) kinda depends, wouldn’t be rape imo but still unhealthy for both people involved

3) also depends but much more likely to be unhealthy

4) i dont know how this is relevant but customers know their prostitute isnt attracted to them so its not rape

Thank you for your answer!

4) would only have been relevant in the case that you meant that the asexual person was getting raped, so it's not anymore.

1) Can you tell me why? I would understand saying it's hurtful, but I don't understand why it would be rape.

2 + 3) This sounds like your problem is more with aromanticism than with asexuality. Is that correct?

Also, can you explain why 3) is more likely to be unhealthy than 2)?

I'm afraid I don't get it.

newsflash: if you arent attracted to your partner you are in an unhealthy relationship. if youre asexual and you have sex w your partner and don’t tell them youre ace that’s literal rape. don’t start relationships with people you don’t love

Hey, I have a few questions about this post.

1) Who is raping who in your hypothetical situation there? From context I believe that you mean the asexual person is getting raped, but the "if you don't tell them" part makes it sound like the asexual person is raping or hurting their partner by not telling them.

What do you mean by this?

2) Asexual doesn't necessarily mean that one does not experience romantic attraction. If one is in romantic love with their partner, but experiences no sexual attraction to them, is the relationship still unhealthy?

3) If you reverse this situation to have someone who experiences sexual attraction to their partner, but not romantic attraction, is it unhealthy too?

Mind you, this does not necessarily have to include any aromantic people, "friends with benefits" and one-night-stands generally don't involve romantic love.

Is this inherently unhealthy too?

4) What is your opinion on sex workers who may or may not be asexual, who sleep with people they by and large aren't attracted to for money? Do you believe this is unhealthy too?

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itgetsrealoldfast

the people who are like “allosexual is a slur” are honestly some of the most self-entitled pretentious pricks I have seen. The word is used as just a way to separate ace/aro people from people that are not ace/aro. The prefix allo- literally MEANS “others.” 

You all want to say “Ace/aro people aren’t LGBT!! You all should make your own community” and when we do and make our own language, you all have conniption fits. “We’re not allosexual!!” ummm, yes you are. If you are not ace/aro or at least ID as part ace/aro, you are an allosexual. It’s an othering term, yes, but it’s not a slur. The reach will break your back.

While I agree with this post’s point, I really don’t like OP using aro and ace interchangably here.

Since aromanticism only refers to a persons romantic orientation, you can absolutely be aro-spec and allosexual.

Like I understand your point, but please respect that aromanticism is it’s own identity and not the same as asexuality - id'ing as aro or aro-spec has nothing to do with whether one is allosexual or not.

The term for not being aromantic is “alloromantic”, not “allosexual”.

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itgetsrealoldfast

Thank you for this. I did not know this and will remember for future reference.

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itgetsrealoldfast

the people who are like “allosexual is a slur” are honestly some of the most self-entitled pretentious pricks I have seen. The word is used as just a way to separate ace/aro people from people that are not ace/aro. The prefix allo- literally MEANS “others.” 

You all want to say “Ace/aro people aren’t LGBT!! You all should make your own community” and when we do and make our own language, you all have conniption fits. “We’re not allosexual!!” ummm, yes you are. If you are not ace/aro or at least ID as part ace/aro, you are an allosexual. It’s an othering term, yes, but it’s not a slur. The reach will break your back.

While I agree with this post's point, I really don't like OP using aro and ace interchangably here.

Since aromanticism only refers to a persons romantic orientation, you can absolutely be aro-spec and allosexual.

Like I understand your point, but please respect that aromanticism is it's own identity and not the same as asexuality - id'ing as aro or aro-spec has nothing to do with whether one is allosexual or not.

The term for not being aromantic is "alloromantic", not "allosexual".

A fun activity you can do every day is remember that nonbinary, gnc lgb ppl and trans people can use whatever pronouns they want ESPECIALLY if it makes them happy or comfortable! And since English is a nongendered language we don’t have to worry about what a persons chosen and MANDATORY pronouns mean for anyone but themselves.

This isn’t meant as an attack or anything, but let’s not make a non-straight identity a requirement to use the pronouns one is comfortable with.

Everyone can use whatever pronouns they like, regardless of their other identities.

A cis straight binary girl or boy who wants to use different pronouns than the ones they were assigned can do so, just like a cis binary gay girl or boy.

You’re absolutely right! I know a bunch of people who identify as cis who like they/them pronouns! Great addition. Pronoun selection for everyone is right on.

A fun activity you can do every day is remember that nonbinary, gnc lgb ppl and trans people can use whatever pronouns they want ESPECIALLY if it makes them happy or comfortable! And since English is a nongendered language we don’t have to worry about what a persons chosen and MANDATORY pronouns mean for anyone but themselves.

This isn't meant as an attack or anything, but let's not make a non-straight identity a requirement to use the pronouns one is comfortable with.

Everyone can use whatever pronouns they like, regardless of their other identities.

A cis straight binary girl or boy who wants to use different pronouns than the ones they were assigned can do so, just like a cis binary gay girl or boy.

Where do people get the idea that Straight people, and by that I mean people with full access to straight privilege, would ever want to identify with a non-straight identity or be associated with the lgbt+ community in any way?

When has a heterosexual, heteroromantic, cisgender, perisex person ever thought to themselves: “Wow, I want a pride parade too! Time to make up a new identity that I can call myself, so I can be just like the gays!”

Instead of thinking: “wow, I want a pride parade too! Why isn’t there a straight pride march? Those fucking gays, oppressing us straight folks!”

Seriously. Straight people don’t want to change their label to be a part of the lgbt+ community. If they want to be associated with us at all, they’ll do it under the banner of an ally.

There is no epidemic of straight people wanting to be a part of the lgbt+ community. People who want to join the community have a reason to want that, and that reason is that they actually are part of an oppressed minority, even if you don’t understand their weird new labels.

If they didn’t need the community, they wouldn’t want to get in.

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crazy-allo-in-spacey

are you fucking kidding me? do you know how many straight women go to gay bars because it’s ~cool~? do you know how many straight women kiss their friends who are also girls because it’s ~empowering~, and say theyre q*eer, even though they would never date a woman? there was literally a song recently made that was the embodiment of that. straight people love to get into pride when it’s a ~party~. one of my (ex) cishet male friends wanted to go to pride to me this year because “gays are so fun, it’d be cool!” they think pride is just a fun party. they’re not at pride to fight oppression. they wanna go to pride because it’s cool or quirky or fun.

That’s not what my post was about, I’m afraid.

Straight people, who identify as straight, invade lgbt+ spaces sometime. That’s true, and it sucks if it’s done ignorant and hurtfully, but they still identify as straight.

They don’t say, “gays are so fun, I’m gonna make up a cool new term for a gender/sexuality so I can go to pride!”.

My post was only about the last statement, nothing else.

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discouwse

thats fair but if ur referring to cishet aces or aros theyre still straight and still count as straight people invading the community. im not saying asexuality is made up, but its not lgbt

As long as you don't think asexuality and aromaticism (or any other identity) are made up for the explicit purpose of invading the lgbt+ community you don't disagree with this post.

If you want to have a discussion with me about what is or is not inherently lgbt+, then please make a new post about it and I will respond to you there when I am able to.

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