Things about being an INTP that I hate about myself:

(some of these things are which I personally experience and I don't know if it's universal or not lol idk what I'm doing)

• Not believing that I am actually an INTP/ Retaking the quiz like a hundred times [and still getting the same result]

• I also do not have the capability to answer simple yes or no questions because I need to think from both sides and the answer is never yes or no

• Feeling extremely overwhelmed by anger or sadness or happiness

• Feeling no emotion at all to the point where I wish I would

• [I don't know if this applies to other INTPs] Having thoughts like "nobody ever will understand me" because everyone is different and even when facing the same situation, people perceive and react differently.

• Everything in life is blur/ cannot understand what and why am I doing stuff because it won't even be worth it because I don't know the fuck is my goal

• Tired of living my life. Like yes I want to live but not this life. I don't even know my purpose like what the heck am I doing? Give me something to work towards pls

• Ppl give too much attention = extreme annoyance and irritation

•Ppl give less attention = "am I invisible?" "Nobody cares abt me"

~Imma reblog when I get more shit to post here~

i feel so seen, you just described the main reason for my everyday existential crisis

I'd like to add to this as a Ti-dom, because I do think you're onto something here. I am the opposite case though, where I always was an INTP, but I thought I was an INTJ.

Without realizing it, I was using my dom Ti (that I didn't know I had lmao) to internally rationalize to myself that I should be acting in specific ways that aligned with the INTJ stereotypes (because that's the type I got on 16 personalities.com). This was especially easy when I was new to MBTI, didn't understand cognitive functions (or knew of their existence), and was really enamored with the INTJ stereotypes of being a special, untouchable genius.

When I actually typed as an INTP for the first time (also on 16 personalities.com LMAO), I had a ton of cognitive dissonance and had to find a way to restructure my thoughts on everything and get to the bottom of which type I was by (finally) learning about the cognitive functions.

It was then that I started acting like a stereotypical INTP for the same Ti-dom reasons as above.

(God so embarrassing 😅😭)

Some of it was ignorance on my part, and some of it was definitely just learning to grow up a little. Anyway, hope this anecdote is helpful as supporting evidence to these claims. I think that the introverted (ie subjective) judging functions can most easily fall victim to changing their mental reality or themselves to become congruent with each other just for the sake of making things easier for themselves.

mbti with wings.

so if people can change type how they can be classified the same as those who never changed type?

for example: born estp, continued as estp vs born estp, switched to entp later. i feel like this could be a good typology system. kind of like an enneagram wing, actually:

estpWentp. or esfpWestp.

now this obviously will bring can type change debate and there will be a lot of people against it. i had that debate before numerous times. and it’s always those who are super introverted or super extraverted against it. since they know they can never change, they believe everyone is like them but that’s not true.

some ti doms are almost autistics while others are nearly entps because their ti is not THAT dominant so the autistics, the super sensitives, the super eccentrics etc. will be against the idea type can change but in fact, they don’t know shit and they are thinking too subjectively.

ofc don’t believe entps can turn to isfps. i can also accept type change possibility ends after some age limit like 15 or whatever. in fact, imagine this (even though things doesn’t have to be this extreme): the guy born as an estp, gets smashed by a car, legs gone, now he values reading instead of performing flying kicks. or the guy born as an estp, then got bullied real hard and lost all confidence. or the guy born as an esfp, then emotionally exploited real hard, now super reserved.

these things happening everyday in the world.

i guess one can argue this: even if all this can happen, the change that will occur will be superficial. so the estp born guy who type changed into entp is not ACTUALLY changed into entp but wearing a really good entp mask!

my answer would be: so what? that still complicates things. i honestly believe fake it till you make it works. modern psychology tries to solve everything with that method, actually, chemicals aside. for example you are so introverted? they say go out there and just say hi to people, nothing more. a week later, also start to say “see you later”.

brain plasticity. neurons learning.

This is really interesting! You're definitely right that this kind of theory will be *~controversial~* among a lot of MBTI enthusiasts, but I think that can be a good thing. It gets people talking about it in ways they might not have originally thought to!

Personally, I think this theory could work especially when applying it to MBTI types based on dichotomy - cognitive functions gets a little trickier, but we'll get into that.

its so scary to put yourself out there but a SINGLE message saying "hi i loved what you made it touched me in some way" makes it all worth it 10000%

daily reminder that if you like something someone made tell! them! tell them tell them tell them TELL THEM

okay so I'll take this opportunity to say @oiblackestsheep I absolutely love what you do for the mbti community, your blog is filled with so much positivity and deep insight and I feel so happy everytime I see you in my dash. Sending much regards for you <3

God, I saw this in the morning and it's been such a long day, but I've been thinking about it all day because it was such a nice thing to see, thank you so much!! In the spirit of keeping this going, I figured I'd add a bit, too. I think all of you guys are great and I love all of your insights, original posts and reblogs regarding mbti, too. Please keep it all up, because it gives me more to mbti stuff to obsess over lmao.

@istj-mbti, @actuallyistj, @infj-arli, @magicgail, @yourlocalinfj

and honestly there are SO many more that I probably just can't think of right now because I'm exhausted tonight, so if I missed you, definitely don't take it the wrong way. I still see really great mbti content here and it's SO cool because I was worried that mbti would basically just be dead when I started posting here agin, but I was thankfully proven wrong because of all of you guys!

Edit: the mentions aren't working for the last three, why 😭😭😭

@curlyirl @typing-mbti @mbti-notes

Edit 2: Literally can't explain why the rest of the mentions have to be down here but in the name of making sure everyone sees their appreciation, I will sacrifice the organized aesthetic of this post because (if in case you missed it) I'm so tired 😴😫😪

Notes on Breaking Loops

These “notes” are meant to be supplementary to the Type Development Guide (see: mbti-notes.tumblr.com/development). Without enough knowledge of cognitive function theory and function misuse, you may not fully understand what the notes mean.

“We learn from failure, not from success!” - Bram Stoker

WOW! This is an incredible list of a very rudimentary level of how to initiate the auxiliary function when it is being bypassed during a dom-ter loop.

A poem from Emily Dickinson for each mbti type (pt 1)

(Apologies if I haven't quite grasped the poems properly; I like poetry but struggle to get it at times. Some types were difficult to pick one for.)

ISTJ

I like a look of agony,

Because I know it's true;

Men do not sham convulsion,

Nor simulate a throe.

The eyes glaze once, and that is death.

Impossible to feign

The beads upon the forehead

By homely anguish strung.

i made a little uquiz space related quiz,, it's kinda short

oh ow

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Si: I experienced it this way, so it is this way for every situation

NI: I elaborated this thought, so I believe it works like that

A few thoughts on NJs

I'm currently in the unique position where my most frequent social contacts are an ENTJ and an ENFJ, and one thing I find is that NJs generally strongly gravitate towards each other. Coming across a fellow NJ out in the wild is exceedingly rare, so whenever that happens, there is always this strange moment of instinctual mutual recognition. Suddenly you see your own Ni reflected back at you. It makes sense that you'd want to stay close to that person.

In the following, I will just talk a bit about the observations that I've made (not very coherently, I'm sorry). Something that I find interesting is that even though our minds work very similarly (always dissecting everything, searching for patterns and meanings, making seemingly random connections in the search for the root of something etc.), NFJs and NTJs have very different priorities. The NFJ can be completely drowning in work, but that will never stop them from prioritising people over everything else. They will collect and cherish every tidbit of information that someone told them about themselves. They will sacrifice time they absolutely do not have just to be there when an acquaintance they somewhat like gives a talk about something that is in no way relevant to the NFJ. They will be able to recognise all their co-workers by the sound of their steps alone. All of this is precious information. The NTJs, on the other hand, will not even bother to learn your name unless they have taken an interest in you in any way. NTJs will be polite to you, that's no issue, but if they don't care, almost everything you tell them will be deleted from their brains. They prioritise the abstract over everything else. If they are busy thinking about, I don't know, quantum physics, you are welcome to discuss it with them and they will be delighted. If you and the conversation are interesting enough, they will also figure out how your mind works in the meantime. But this is a step you have to unlock with an NTJ first. The NFJs will do this automatically. Funnily enough, I find that NTJs become more openly annoyed by you the more they have grown fond of you. If you are being annoying and they don't care about you, depending on the situation, they will either simply leave or put you in your place. If you are being annoying and they do care, you end up with amazing conversations like this:

Because once an NTJ cares, they care. They want to watch you live a good life, but then they witness you making your own life difficult just by being the way you are, and it will be frustrating because it's not something they can just fix. They will be nosy, they will observe and analyse everything about you (just like an NFJ in default mode but the NTJs are more normal about it). But if they don't care, you end up with actual conversations like this:

This is absolutely not something that you will ever hear an NFJ say to someone. If they don't like you, they will just never seek out a conversation with you, but if put into a situation where they have to interact with you, they will remain polite, quiet and a bit awkward (but then again, I have yet to meet an NFJ that isn't a bit awkward in general). Something that I've noticed between ENFJs and INFJs is that we are very similar, but we externalise our Fe a bit differently. I will have the impulse to do a particular Fe-driven thing and then stop myself from doing it because I think it might come across as slightly pathetic. ENFJ just does it. An example: when someone I like (or even only feel neutral towards) tells me a story about something that happened recently and hands me their phone to show me a photo, I get the impulse to look at every photo related to this story because I want to know everything about this person and their experiences, just soak it all up and gather all the information. But then I take a step back and think this might come across as too intrusive, so I do nothing and just listen and look at what is presented to me. In that same situation, ENFJ will straight up ask to see every single picture, zoom in on every face and ask questions about all the people in the pictures and so many other things with genuine curiosity. Meanwhile, I express my Fe more by pulling faces as a reaction to everything that is said to me in order to make a connection with people (think of Jim Halpert looking at the camera in The Office. That's me.). ENFJs, however, are more blank in the face and generally the least emotive of all the FJs. You tell them a funny story and they will just ... stare at you. Their reactions and feelings remain hidden beneath the surface. I never really understood why so many people have told me all my life that I'm completely unreadable. Until I met ENFJ. I know what they mean now. There is a disconnect between the NFJ and other people. They collect all the information about everyone and figure them out in silence, but every non-verbal communication from them seems slightly calculated. Like they are in hiding. It's like there is a window between you and the NFJ. You can see them and interact with them, but you can't quite reach them. There's something invisible between you and it's keeping you separate. I get it now. Many have tried to read me, but only one seems to have cracked the code: ENTJ. Generally, NTJs do show the typical Ni detachment from the world, but their mental and emotional states are not hidden. You always know how they are feeling.

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[on the verge of having a complete breakdown] i need to make some kind of list or perhaps sort things into categories

As I've just realised a trend in my own friendships, what are the mbti types of the majority of people that you voluntarily and regularly surround yourself with? So I don't mean people you have to see every day like a parent if you still live with them or a co-worker you wouldn't want to go out to get drinks with, but your actual close friends or partners or anyone else you choose to spend a lot of time with. So:

26 votes on a poll like this are far from statistically relevant, but still I find the turnout very interesting that 73% of voters had a preference for a particular judging function and only 19% for a perceiving function.

That's exactly what I've seen in my own personal life as well. I don't know anyone who has mostly NP friends or SJ friends etc. But I do know a lot of people who continuously surround themselves with one judging function while they usually have a clear aversion against another judging function. For instance, I know an ISFP with an open aversion against almost every FJ they know, and I know an ISTP who tries to keep any TJ at a distance. But I have yet to meet anyone who makes such a generalisation to SPs or NPs etc. I personally have SP, SJ, NP and NJ friends.

Even when I take a look at my workplace, you can sometimes find some clear hiring preferences. In academia (where I work), you don't get hired by an HR team, but directly by the professor you're going to work with (more or less) closely. I know an INTJ professor who hired two ESFJ PhD students and one ENFJ postdoc, while another INTP professor is working with an ENTJ PhD student, an ESTJ postdoc and is married to another ESTJ.

So this was an interesting result.

I've been thinking more about this actually. And while I've seen trends in which types flock with which, I do think everyone has their own personal reasons for their preferences in particular judging functions. We choose those functions in other people that benefit us in some way.

And I was thinking about my own dynamics with FJs, TPs, FPs and TJs, and about how I personally feel and behave in their company, when it suddenly clicked for me why it makes so much sense that I gravitate towards TJs. You can think about your preferences in your own life as my reasoning will probably not apply to you, except some other FJs perhaps, but these are my thoughts:

If we use single combat as a metaphor here, I always feel like FPs are the ones running away from fighting me because they don't want to hurt me, FJs choose to fight in my place to protect me, TPs fight me for fun, and TJs are the ones giving me a sword and showing me how to use it. They are the ones challenging me to become a better person, but they never expect me to change. I do that myself because they are right.

If you want to share your own reasons for why you think it makes sense that you, personally, would gravitate towards a particular function and are willing to share, please do! I'm always interested!