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Something I really love in dune part 2, is the juxtaposition of chani's reaction during the war council scene and the ending scene.

In the war council scene everyone is on their knees but when Paul declares himself the mahdi and says he'll lead them to paradise, they all jump to their feet and shout lisan al gaib, chani however is the only one to stay on her knees, kept there by her disbelief and devastation along with her refusal to exalt him like everyone else.

Then you have the end scene where paul becomes Emperor which both compliments and contrasts with the council scene, here everyone was standing and they all sink to their knees, but this time chani stays on her feet, she's all anger and defiance, paul promised to be her equal and she'll never willingly bow to him.

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Hum. Stilgar and Jessica. Thoughts?

Anyway check this out it's scorching: https://archiveofourown.org/works/54524644

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I ship it! Their first interaction being her besting him in armed combat? Licking her tear off his thumb? The true believer and the mother of the messiah, but also two shrewd political operators with big ambitions? I'm here for it!

Astonishing that there's only 8 fics for them on ao3 currently. That one you linked it hot as hell, and may I also recommend this magnum opus.

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Holy shit, they got Voyager 1 working again!

15 billion miles away and NASA was able to tweak code packages on one of the onboard computers and it worked and Voyager 1 is sending signals back to earth for the first time since November.

Incredible!

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I know this is a long shot, and I have no idea how Messiah is even going to be handled onscreen in regards to the time jump, but I'd love a scene of Paul wrapping up his own wounds from the end of Part 2. Because one, you can't just injure your main character That Much and then never follow up on it in any way.

But more importantly I want that emphasis on how alone he is. I need the narrative to keep acknowledging that. Despite being so important *in theory*, he isn't protected, he isn't cared about. He's a thing to be in awe of and be terrified of. So having him alone, injured, taking care of himself in private with nobody watching him or following him...and then having him drag himself back to his feet to go commit more war crimes immediately after showing him in a deeply vulnerable and lonesome position would be. hm. something.

Ok. If anybody wants the way-too-hyperspecific-to-possibly-be-accurate-but-my-brain-ran-away-with-it thing that I'm picturing, I had to get it out of my head vvv

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just remembered that chani was forced to revive her lover from the dead… like she hated this prophecy her entire life and then she was compelled to make it happen against her will. she lost the paul she loved because he died in that moment, and what came back she now feels personally responsible for even if it wasn’t really her fault. the guilt? over both the fact she ressurected him and the secret relief she has (that she hates) that he’s back. like she probably has guilt that any part of her loves him still, enough to be relieved he’s alive despite the horrific consequences

Yeah this is one thing I like a lot more about the book. It's kind of weird that Denis Villeneuve made this choice. In the book, she completely goes along with his plan to take over the Galaxy, because they all realize nothing they can do is going to stop the bloodshed so they might as well do what they can

i’m assuming that in the next movie he plans for chani to get to this point, which is why paul says she’ll come to understand and he’s seen it. the function of her reacting this way now is probably her being the audience surrogate so they can see more clearly that this is a tragedy/doomed fate sort of story

I sure hope so.

Man this was a really great movie. There's just like one or two little things that I didn't like. I am happy to say that I don't really care anymore about how "authentic" a movie is, how true to the book.

I just want both to be good

Chani in the books is there to be Paul's lover and the mother of his children and not much else. The single best change the movie made was giving Chani her own goals and agency independent of Paul. She's the voice of the Fremen; she's Paul's conscience; she's the counterweight in the narrative to seeing things only from Paul's point of view; she's the audience surrogate to tell us when we're supposed to think something is fucked up. But she is also her own character in the narrative independent of anything to do with Paul.

Movie Chani is a freedom fighter before she's anything else and I simply cannot believe she would forgive Paul for betraying her people like that, using them to secure his own personal power after he said he was fighting for their freedom. There is no way she can go back to trusting him again after that.

I also think the movie in particular is asking you to challenge Paul's logic that there was "nothing he could do" and that the holy war just had to start...and then keep going long enough to kill billions of people. I think we're supposed to see that as Paul avoiding responsibility for decisions that were entirely his to make.

Paul says Chani will "come to understand" but just because he sees visions of the future where she is by his side doesn't mean he knows what her motivations are. If she comes back into his life in Dune Messiah and looks like she is going to forgive him I think it's highly likely it will be because she's part of organizing the conspiracy against him and needs a reason to get close to him.

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Chani: Are you okay?

Paul: Yes.

Chani: ...Are you sure?

Paul: Thanks to you.

It's over right here, isn't it? The first time through this scene of Paul waking up from the Water of Life, I thought Chani's slap was more about fuck you for endangering yourself and scaring me over something I know you don't even believe in. And I think that's still part of it.

But thanks to you really implies Paul knows at least some of what had to have happened for him to come back. Maybe he doesn't know the part about his mother forcing her to do it, but he knows that whatever just happened is something Chani participated in and he knows she hates the prophecy and doesn't want any part of it.

She just experienced this horrifying violation of her autonomy that also forced her to break a deep cultural taboo against crying. And Paul knows at least some of what happened and he's okay with it, because it fits into his plans.

The whole foundation of their relationship is laid out in that scene where they kiss for the first time, and it's (1) we're equals, and (2) I am not Sihaya, tool of a prophecy I hate and don't believe in; I am Chani, a fedaykin of Sietch Tabr. And he just demolished all of that in one go. He is going to end up using all of them and the first person who gets used is her.

Y'all she is never forgiving his ass.

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While this article does not answer my #1 burning question of how you dismount from a speeding sandworm, there are a lot of great pull quotes, including:

On Paul and Chani:

"...I wanted to make sure the audience will understand that Paul becomes a dark figure, that his choices are exactly what Chani was afraid of. He becomes the colonizers the Fremen were fighting against.... He betrayed her in many ways. But the big thing for Chani is that it’s not about love. It’s about the fact that he becomes the figure that will keep the Fremen in their mental jail. A leader that is not there to free the Fremen, but to control them."

On the duel between Paul and Feyd-Rautha:

"...we approached their fight at the end like some kind of symbolic union. The way their bodies get close to one another, there’s something animalistic, an intimacy, I was looking for."

On the infamous popcorn bucket:

"I’m at peace with the bucket."

Full article text under the cut, including Fremen sex lives, murder toddler adaptation choices, and the teeny tiniest of teasers for Dune Messiah:

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it's wild to me that people act as if chani's primary reason for leaving paul was bitterness about being a concubine like girl..... i promise that did not even register in her brain compared to the realization that paul had chosen to become her people's oppressor, to become her oppressor, to destroy the equality that was very foundation of their relationship. i promise her agency and her loyalty to her people, things which existed before paul and will exist after him, were more important to her than how "official" her relationship would be considered within a system she did not care about.

"...I wanted to make sure the audience will understand that Paul becomes a dark figure, that his choices are exactly what Chani was afraid of. He becomes the colonizers the Fremen were fighting against.... He betrayed her in many ways. But the big thing for Chani is that it’s not about love. It’s about the fact that he becomes the figure that will keep the Fremen in their mental jail. A leader that is not there to free the Fremen, but to control them."

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