will you, won't you

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In which Ardyn makes good on his threat to keep Noctis’s friends company while he’s in the Crystal… Specifically: Ignis. Because that’s where my brain always goes.

( @demishock here you go!! Thanks so much for talking this idea out with me!!)

Seven years, eleven months, thirteen days.

To whatever extent one can speak of “days,” any longer.

Ignis has been keeping careful track of the time and date since the incident in Altissia, to make up for his inability to rely on cycles of light and darkness.

He started counting after Gralea.

For as much time as it took just to learn how to navigate with his blindness, as much time as he’s spent cooking in Lestallum, researching with Talcott in Hammerhead, hunting with Prompto and Gladio… Ignis has spent the majority of these years alone. It’s easier this way, somehow. Time passes more smoothly in his own head, when he can get lost in memories of the past and hopes for the future.

That’s not to say that travelling and fighting alone is a particularly good decision. Ignis takes risks the others might chastise him for, risks he would never let them get away with.

Tonight, for example, he’s settled in to rest and eat without bothering to find a warded campground. 

When he hears the footsteps approach, the brush of thick layered fabric, he curses himself for his own insouciance. He deserves this.

Ignis stays very still, continues working on his soup as though he he’s taken no notice of the new arrival.

“Enough for two?”

No matter how many times this happens, the mocking tone will never fail to set Ignis’s teeth on edge. “No,” he snaps.

“Not expecting company? I understand.” Ardyn’s voice drips with false sympathy. “I suppose it has been some time…”

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*-*rambling self-indulgent speculation fic thing*-* (in which I enjoy thinking about Ignis and Regis and their weird as hell relationship) (and also about how the whole Kingsglaive engagement announcement went down) (and also about Ignoct in general)

Ignis hasn’t been formally summoned by the king in years, much less in the middle of the night.

He squints at the alert on his phone, then sits up and puts on his glasses to read it. Meeting the king in his personal chambers? Has something happened?

He tries to stay calm as he gets out of bed. He sends off a quick message to Noctis, in the vain hope that he’s awake and can reassure Ignis that he’s alright. 

He keeps checking his phone as he dresses. No answer.

That’s no cause for concern by itself: it’s late, Noctis is probably asleep.

The Imperial envoy earlier today was probably nothing to worry about.

Everything’s probably fine.

…It’s too bad probably has never been a particularly comforting word for Ignis.

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"So, Noct," Prompto says, just car-ride chatter, only half-thinking about the words coming out of his mouth, "which one of us is gonna be your best man?"

Noctis looks stricken. "Uh. Do I… have to pick?"

"No," Ignis says firmly, just as Gladio says, "hell yeah, you do."

Everyone stares at each other.

"It's a wedding," Gladio says. "There's gotta be a best man."

"It's his wedding." Ignis nods awkwardly back at Noctis. "If he doesn't want one-"

"It's not that I don't want one-"

"See?"

"You didn't let him finish."

"Look, it's a traditional-"

"Can't I just-?"

"It's an utterly arbitrary-"

Prompto laughs nervously. "Uh, guys? I was kidding, seriously."

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spacs

So FFXV tumblr. Is there a canon to follow in regards to what… exactly happens… to Noct’s body? Asking for a friend.

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demishock

I mean, I assume he’s still on the throne? HOWEVER as far actual canon goes, it depends. What we know:

-Noct stabs Ardyn with the Sword of the Father, killing him in the physical plane. -Ardyn’s body disappears. -Regis stabs Noctis with the Sword of the Father, killing him in the physical plane. -Noct’s body ??????

I think it depends, then, on why Ardyn’s body disappears. Is it because he was so daemonified that he disintegrated like the other daemons you fight throughout the game? Or is it because of the Sword of the Father and whatever properties it has? Personally, I lean toward the former.

Then again, there’s also that shockwave that the Ring of the Lucii gives off right at the end. But personally I lean toward Noct’s body still being on the throne.

tl;dr: idk lol T__T

Now if you’ll excuse me…

*huddles under blanket with a box of tissues and waits for the fic that is totally definitely not being written by you*

Yeah I ask because of that shockwave. Is it an explosion or is it just like a… hear comes the dawn (do do do dooo lol it’s time for jokes to make this subject a LIL less depressing) shockwave?

And exactly! Ardyn disappears. But like I guess he was immortal so maybe his body didn’t matter because daemons or just the overall time that he’d been in that body. Noctis in the beyond disintegrates so does that imply that his body did as well?

So it kind of begs the question: what happens to Noct’s body? Is it still there or has it disappeared? Because during the end scene we do get a brief glance of Noct’s body on the throne - a very depressing image because the sword is in his gut. I’m going to have to go watch the scene again and come back to this post tomorrow when I get off work.

The other thing is, the ending is all out of chronological order, so it’s possible that what’s going on between Noct and Ardyn in the “realm beyond” is happening in that interval where Noct’s body is lying on the throne. The in-game description for the Cure for Insomnia mainline “quest” says “Now, the time has come to return the Crystal’s power to the planet, to purge the scourge of the stars and restore the dawn.” So maybe when the ring glows on his finger back in the throne room, that’s after Ardyn’s been defeated, and the shockwave is the Crystal’s power being re-released back into the world?

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thekindmagic

Wow, what a cheery discussion!! I’m gonna second the idea that the final battle with Ardyn doesn’t exactly happen in “real time” - I had the same concept of the Ring and the shockwave being the big Prophecy-Fulfilling Moment, releasing the power and bringing back the dawn. I guess all I’ve got to bring up in addition is... Nyx? Because when Ardyn’s body disappears, it starts out with these sort of drifting embers that remind me very much of Nyx at the end Kingsglaive. Obviously Nyx didn’t disappear completely, as he’s in the throne room at the end, (if he’s really there... I have to rethink that...) But using that same visual motif makes me think there’s some sort of underlying concept. For Nyx it was being unable to sustain the Ring’s power - I could definitely see that theme being echoed with Ardyn, with his fall from grace and his being ultimately unable to sustain his cursed immortality (for whatever reason)... And then Noctis starts having the same ember effect in the beyond after the strain the Ring put on him, but when he finally dissolves, it’s different - blue, not red, he has a line afterwards, and then we see him in the after-credits scene. I don’t know what the blue dissolving is, but Ardyn does it too, and his body’s already gone, so it’s... probably not linked to that? My best guess here is that Noctis doesn’t really fall under any story or thematic umbrellas that would call for him to dissolve... But you know what? If your, um, friend wants to go ahead and dissolve him anyway, I’m not gonna argue, I’m ready to cry about literally any version of this

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ataraxetta

So Cor is MIA in game because he’s supposedly off with what’s left of the Crownsguard and the hunters he recruited to search for the royal tombs to help Noctis. But Regis had to go and collect them all too didn’t he? Shouldn’t Cor and definitely Cid already know where all the tombs are?

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schalahasfun

I’m pretty sure that Noctis’ Royal Arms are separate and distinct from the weapons contained in Regis’ Armiger.

In Regi’s Armiger, we see only three weapons in Kingsglaive (all swords, none of which match Royal Arms), four in King’s Tale (all great swords which don’t match the Royal Arms - he also wields a shield but it’s not in his Armiger attacks), and six in Brotherhood (his sword, another similar sized sword, daggers, lance, axe, and great sword, which bare some similarity to Noct’s Royal Arms but it’s hard to tell if they are indeed the same). Also, Regis’ Armiger attack is very different from Noct’s - all of his weapons flying as a targeted strike rather than attacking all around him.

I kinda hold to the idea that only the Chosen King is allowed to wield the Royal Arms, and Noct claiming his first one is proof of his true birthright. Though, we know from the Tomb of the Tall/Costlemark Tower that the tombs can be robbed by malicious forces…

Speaking of malicious forces, I wager that Ardyn’s very similar Armiger was acquired from his encounters with other Kings and Queens of Lucis. I get the feeling that Noct wasn’t the only one he did battle with - just the only one he didn’t manage to kill. I mean, there are another 100 rulers over the course of 2000 years who we don’t know about - surely there were some very mysterious deaths that left no bodies and no weapons behind mixed in there….

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demishock

At the risk of sounding contrary:

I’m inclined to think that the visual differences in Regis’s Royal Arms are more to do with the different media themselves than because they’re canonically different. Just looking between Luna’s outfit in Kingsglaive and Luna’s outfit in the game when she’s just escaped from the city shows that they weren’t committed to making everything match nicely between them. It’s also possible that Brotherhood and Kingsglaive were in production before the weapon designs were finalized. (I can’t speak to A King’s Tale since I haven’t actually seen anything but the trailer.)

As for Cor not knowing all of the tomb locations, I’m not going to lie - I am super freaking confused about who was actually even with Regis during the events of 30 years prior. What little I’ve seen of King’s Tale seems to indicate it was Regis, Clarus, Cid, and Weskham. FFXV itself seems to indicate it was Regis, Cor, Cid, and Weskham. Cor’s profile in the Ultimania indicates that he was 15 at the time but then the actual timeline in the Ultimania only mentions Clarus, Cid, and Weskham having battled on the front lines with Regis 31 years prior and there’s no entry for 30 years prior. Regis would most likely have gone to collect the Armiger during that year after his father died, but it’s not on the timeline, and apparently Clarus wasn’t around for that and Cor was instead? Why?  Something is missing. But in both versions, Cid is there, so yeah - you’d think Cid would know where the tombs are.

As for Ardyn, his Armiger is identical to Noct’s except for the red coloring on the weapons, except that he doesn’t seem to have the Sword of the Father (presumably that’s why he doesn’t parry Noct’s final blow, like he does with each of the other weapons). Which is weird, since he could have obtained it from Ravus before Noct showed up in Gralea, but…?

Basically, I have a lot more questions than answers. XD

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sabotensan

During an early-game night drive, when Ignis was going on about the dangers and campaigned for resting, Prompto whined that he needs his beauty sleep and Gladio’s response to that was  

which translates to probably “Eh, you’re pretty enough already”. And while I know that this is a perfectly normal tease I just… couldn’t stop thinking about it.

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