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The Forgotten Fangirl

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"We are all made of the same cosmic dust"
~Dawn~
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THE FUCK

I’m a pretty chill person, my friends can probably attest to that. But this, this makes me a little bit mad.

No serious web designer uses PURE UNFILTERED RED in their pages unless they want to burn the retinas of everyone they love. This is not professional and should not be the current logo and favicon for youtube, one of the most highly-browsed sites on the internet. People with vision sensitivities like to watch videos too, and even people without vision sensitivities are gonna be uncomfortable with these fucking solar flares as favicons.

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Pure #FF0000 red belongs on webpages in the 90s, not in 2017. This is not a good business decision and I’m sincerely hoping this is a glitch.

Thank u for ur time I’m an artist I love colours

who the fuck cares

Some people actually give a shit about design choices and shit like that because you know, they’re fucking designers? Did you really have to make your shitty ass attitude someone else’s problem though?

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basiliskfree

Today’s problem

what do chairs for dragons look like.

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carbisari

big comfy piles of pillows

Well, that don’t work in the scene I’m doing it’s too cute not to draw.

DAWWW SO CUTE :>

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noivern

they use human chairs but really badly

Wait elongated chairs y’all. Eight chair legs instead of one, they can lie down majestically and put their chins on the table like they were always meant to.

I’m not sure if this is silly or a good idea lol

it’s not polite!

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thatll-do

you’re a dragon manners mean jackshit nothing

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daedricsheep

excuse you dragons are pillars of nobility and composure

you’re a dragon. who’s gonna stop you? hmm? the dragon politeness upkeep taskforce?

I mean other dragons are really the only thing a dragon fears

Date a dragon who uses big comfy piles of pillows as chairs 

Date a dragon who tries to use chairs for humans but has trouble 

Date a dragon who uses elongated chairs made just for dragons 

Date a dragon who is a pillar of nobility and composure 

Date a dragon who rests their chin on the table 

I love this post way too much not to reblog it.

AaaaAAAAAAAAAA

The cutest damn things Ive ever seen

@basiliskfree @noivern a solution: giant beanbag chairs

Draw that in a separate post also these

I just lay on the floor. Maybe with something soft under me.

Just… Idk Try

There’s more!

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delcat177

I love all of this for so many reasons

the cuteness, the practical fantasy worldbuilding, the purity, the chairs, just

A+++ everyone Good Posts

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scaliefox

This is a serious issue though.

Ferrai has this bullshit agreement that if you buy one of their cars new off the lot, you have to sign a contract saying you basically don’t own the car and have to uphold their brand standards with it.

It’s sets a startling example of not owning something despite buying it and the court needs to use this as a chance to strike it down as unethical.

This shit again? And I thought it was bad enough with ford and john deer telling farmers they didn’t own the tractors they bought from them….

Yeah, they have this really unethical clause in the purchase contract you can’t modify the car or do anything with it that they’d consider “unbecoming of the brand”, which is why they were able file this suit.

It seems kind of bizarre at first until you realize how horrifying that is in the age of “do you own what you buy?” being a huge a debate (especially in tech).

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frommetrunui

This is pretty much Ferrari’s philosophy from the start, they are extremely prideful of their cars like if they were made from God’s hands or something. They are very snobby, infact the owner of Ferrari doesn’t like the people who buy their cars since because they are bought for “status”. They also never test their cars on public tracks in comparison with other racing cars like when they wanted to test out the Porche 918 Spyder vs The McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari. Take a guess who bailed out on the performance test.

Just an update

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deathcomes4u

Lambo are the perfect people to jump in on this because they make insane cars and they are never above clowning them up because Lambo are all about THE DRAMA ™

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spyderqueen

Considering automobiling legend says Lamborghini basically is a result of Ferrari being kind of an asshole to Ferruccio Lamborghini, it does not surprise me that they weighed in on this.

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Can we just… normalize teens loving their parents? Like obviously you’re not obligated to if your parents are shitty, but damn, I love my mom. She’s there for me all the time and sure we have rough patches but honestly she’s the greatest. Like. We need teens to know that they don’t have to hate their parents just cause.

It must be nice to come from a nonabusive family. One that doesn’t traumatized every emotional interaction to the point where you drive away any sign of love as a form of manipulation because that’s all that you were raised with. 🤷‍♀️

It is.

Reading Comprehension  

but loving ur parents is already normalized and its the kids w/ abusive parents that actually have to deal with misunderstandings and ignorance from others regarding this topic.

Hey there, I’m talking about the trope where it’s seen as super uncool to like your parents that was literally pushed on teens through the media since the culture shift in the early 60s. The post has nothing to do with abusive parents. I was abused as a kid and honestly if the trope where teens have to hate their parents to be cool died, then kids with actual abusive parents would have an easier time recognizing abuse this has been a psa

“if the trope where teens have to hate their parents to be cool died, then kids with actual abusive parents would have an easier time recognizing abuse”

Teen with abusive parents: I hate my parents

Teen influenced by society: Me too mine are the worst

The takeaway for teen 1: This is normal and it’s supposed to be this way

The takeaway for teen 2: My friend’s parents are like mine

The takeaway for any adult listening: All kids who complain about their parents are just being rebellious

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New headcanon:

As we all know, based on Coran’s reminiscing, Altea does not have rain.

Nalquod, however, does.

The first time Alfor sees rain is on Nalquod, and he just kind of stands there gaping upward for several minutes, letting himself get soaked and watching the water fall from the sky.

At some point, he finally turns to Blaytz and asks something along the lines of, “So what’s the catch?”

“The… catch…?” Blaytz of course is utterly confused, because, yeah, he knows Altea doesn’t get rain, but it isn’t that weird.

“You know,” Alfor says, “it’s very nice now, but does it turn boiling as the day goes on? So freezing it hurts? Is the water poisonous? Is this just the preamble to dropping several thousand tons of water on us at once?”

“No- no,” says Blaytz. “This is it. It’s just rain. No catch.”

Alfor is understandably flabbergasted by this concept, but ultimately decides he likes it much better than the burning, falling rocks they have back on Altea.

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carolgpr

I’m posting the last pages I made for Dépendance, a fic Miraculous AU, and I can’t forget to express how passionate I was about this story. There is an engaging plot and revelations you would not expect. Adrien is the opposite of that delicate boy that everyone knows, and Marinette feels hatred for him for what happened in the past. But they both met on a mission like Ladybug and Chat Noir. In this story they have no powers. And Plagg and Tikki are their bosses.

I thank you for helping @raikumesblog offer to paint the last two pages for me. She was very kind. Soon I will make new collabs with her.

Hope you like it

Source: carolgpr
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sacredaltean

can we talk about the fact that hunk and pidge had a genuine scene where they talked science and tech and got excited about it together?

can we talk about how lance and keith were shown to have genuine respect and care for one another?

can we talk about how allura was given moments of both vulnerability and strength?

can we talk about how shiro was set up for a truly terrifying character arc, and that the seeds were planted for matt’s return?

can we talk about how lotor and his generals were given distinct personalities that made each of them interesting and terrifying in their own ways?

can we talk about how the size and scope of this universe has increased tenfold?

can we talk about how these seven episodes were perfectly paced in comparison to last season, and set up the stakes perfectly for the coming season?

well done, voltron. well done.

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@ white people who think wearing eagle feather headdresses is just a costume and doesn’t offend natives, I was at a powwow yesterday and one of the dancer’s who was a war veteran accidentally dropped an eagle feather while dancing and we had to stop the entire powwow, the head man and some other elders had to stop and pray over the feather before picking it up. The guy who dropped the father gave a speech, while almost in tears, about how sorry he was to have dropped the feather and how it represented the choices he had to make in combat and the lives of people that were taken, and he ended up passing the feather on to another young dancer instead of keeping it because he felt so ashamed. This is how much eagle feathers mean to a lot of our nations, and that’s how important it is to native veterans. Wearing eagle feathers as a costume or without having to go through combat is disgusting and you ARE offending our traditions and values. Stop. You cannot understand the importance of our customs and you do not deserve to wear eagle feathers.

Here’s a secret for some of y'all: this post isn’t controversial.

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Reblog if your full name has the letter E in it or if you hate Mondays or if you frequently wish you were dead

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blueishblue

It’s like a game of “guess which one made me hit the reblog button”

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A while back I saw something about Keith being a sweet tooth and of course I started thinking abt the idea in terms of Sheith bc im trash

  • Shiro giving Keith a space donut and watching Keith’s eyes light up before he scarfs it down and licks his fingers afterward and it’s adorable
  • Shiro trying and failing to bake cookies (Keith eats them anyway) so he goes and buys like five boxes to make up for it 
  • Keith really likes red velvet. It’s his favorite flavor of anything at all.
  • Keith always walks into candy stores. Every time. Without fail. One time they were browsing and Keith insisted he didn’t want anything but Shiro catches him eyeing some caramel apples and gets a couple for both of them
  • One time when they were at an amusement park Shiro got some cotton candy for them to share all romantically but Keith just ended up eating most of it
  • One time Shiro used some candy-flavored lip balm to get more enthusiastic kisses from Keith. 
  • It worked. 
  • A little too well. 
  • Keith tried to bite his face off. 
  • Shiro didn’t use it again.
  • And it’s so funny bc nobody ever expects Keith to be a sweet tooth. He seems like the kind of guy who eats steak and beef jerky all the time no would probably eat rocks to survive if he had to
  • And he would eat rocks if he had to
  • He just wishes they had whipped cream and sprinkles on them
  • Also he probably has s secret stash of chocolate that he never shares with anyone. Maybe he gave one (1) to Shiro once but that’s about it
  • Every Valentine’s Day Shiro gets him the typical box of chocolate and Keith immediately eats every single one. Shiro thinks it’s cute how excited he gets but also wonders how the fuck Keith doesn’t get a stomachache from eating chocolate that’s quickly
  • Oh and just imagine the chaos that is Keith on a sugar rush 
  • Poor boy can’t stop shaking
  • Then he just crashes and falls asleep anywhere (Shiro’s lap usually)
  • It’s not healthy but that doesn’t stop him from doing it again
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prokopetz

On legendry.

Lately, I’ve run across complaints that modern depictions of the Knights of the Round Table are too “anime” - giving them all sorts of goofy powers, and sending them on weird, over-the-top adventures.

Allow me to point out that the following are all actual things that appear in the older tales about the Knights:

  • Sir Kay is said to have had the power to grow to giant size, hold his breath for nine days, and radiate supernatural heat from his hands.
  • Sir Bedivere openly practiced sorcery, and suffered from an accordingly sinister reputation; on more than one occasion, he was saved from being hanged as a witch only by King Arthur’s testimonly to his good character.
  • Sir Galahad possessed supernatural strength and speed by virtue of his moral and sexual purity - making him a rare example of a male character with virginity-fueled super powers.
  • Sir Balin once wielded the Lance of Longinus, and blew up an entire kingdom with a single blow. He also fought an evil knight with the power of invisibility.
  • Sir Marrock was a freaking werewolf.

Conclusion: modern depctions of the Knights of the Round Table aren’t anime enough.

I made this post two years ago, and while it’s never really taken off, it’s still getting a small burst of additional notes every couple of months. I wonder how folks keep finding it?

Anyway, the original post is hardly exhaustive - here are a few more fun examples:

  • Sir Gawain (you know, the guy involved in that whole mess with the Green Knight) is described as literally solar-powered in some tales, being three times as strong at high noon as he is at daybreak.
  • Sir Owain’s best friend and partner in battle is a talking lion. While his tales do include a sort of “origin story” explaining how he met the lion, the fact that it can talk isn’t remarked upon - it’s just a thing.
  • Sir Gwrhyr is able to speak every language, including those of animals, and in some versions can transform into various animals as well.
  • Though Lancelot isn’t usually described as having any specific supernatural powers or tools, he’s constantly described as “perfect” by everyone who sees him - you can practically see the bishie sparkles.

(Speaking of Lancelot, it’s interesting to note that in the earlier stories, his illicit romance with Guinevere is actually part of a love triangle involving another knight named Galehaut - and the focus of that love triangle isn’t Guinevere, but Lancelot himself! Galehaut has been quietly edited out of more modern retellings for sadly obvious reasons.)

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pipistrellus

whats up nerds i found a novelized historical slash fic about lancelot and galehaut written by two medieval scholars here it is youre welcome

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kelasparmak

Some more examples, from probably the oldest Arthurian text there is (c. 1100):

-Hen Beddestyr, who could outrun horses

-Hen Was the Swift, who could outrun any four-footed creature

-Sgilti Light Foot, who could run over treetops and over reeds without bending them

-Drem ap Dremidydd, who from Cornwall ‘could see a gnat rise with the sun’ in Scotland (presumably this is an example and he had really good eyesight, but possibly his special power was just that he was really good at seeing a specific gnat)

-Menw ap Teirwaedd, who was a magician and could cast invisibility on his entire party (possibly only effective against pagans) and placate animals (specifically by magic)

-Osla Big Knife, who may not have been magic himself but if he laid his knife across a river in its sheath it would form a bridge large enough to carry all of the armies of Britain

-Gilla Stag Shank, who could leap three hundred acres at once ‘and who was the chief leaper of Ireland’ (good for you, dude)

-Sol, who could stand all day on one foot

-Gwadyn Osol, who could flatten mountains by standing on them

-Gwadyn Oddeith, whose soles got really hot and threw off sparks whenever he hit something hard (a bit less useful than Gwadyn Osol)

-Sugyn ap Sugynedydd, ‘who could suck up a sea on which there were three hundred ships until it was nothing but a dry strand’

-Cacamwri (possibly just a servant rather than an actual warrior), who was really good at destroying barns

-Gwefyl ap Gwastad, who when he was sad could stretch his upper lip over his head and hide under it

-Uchdryd Cross Beard, who could throw his beard over ‘fifty rafters in Arthur’s hall’

-Clust ap Clustveinydd, who ‘were he buried seven fathoms in the earth he would hear an ant stirring from its bed in the morning fifty miles away’

-Medyr ap Medyredydd, who could hit a wren in Ireland from where he was in Cornwall ‘through both legs’ (unclear if these are the wren’s legs or his)

-Gwiawn Cat Eye, ‘who could cut a corner from a gnat’s eye without harming the eye’

-Special mention to people who may not have had superpowers of any kind: Sanddef Angel Face, (so beautiful that no one attacked him at Camlann because they assumed he must be an angel), Morfran ap Tegid, (so ugly that no one attacked him at Camlann because they assumed he must be a demon), Canhastyr Hundred Hands (supposedly has a magic collar), Cors Hundred Claws (supposedly has a magic leash) (I assume they got along very  well), Llwch Windy Hand and Samson Dry Lip (no explanation of these last four epithets so perhaps they don’t actually have any supernatural powers), and Gwydden the Difficult, who was probably just a dick

(I’ve included only highlights; I should point out that this list is eight pages long in the Penguin edition I have on hand. And for fairness’s sake I should probably also add that this list is not to be taken seriously since the story it’s included in is probably a parody, though it is also where Kay’s powers mentioned in the original post originate from, and Gwrhyr’s, who as far as I know only appears in this story.)

(Another delightful note is that Kay uses his magic heat powers in this story to keep the rain off his stuff and start fires ‘when his companions were cold’)

sodomydog

Honestly the whole last part just sounds like someone drunkenly and playfully talking shit about all their friends and exaggerating hilariously.  I think I’ve seen things like this on people’s tumblr about/friends pages.  “Yeah, that dude drinks so much he could suck up a whole ocean.”  “Oh yeah, man, his beard was so huge he could fling it over like… fifty rafters.”

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so today a public health official guy came into my class to give a lecture on disaster awareness and he was talking about house fires and mentioned that the reason people most likely die during a house fire is because they refuse to leave their pet inside or they go back to get their pet. and right when he said this my friend immediately turned his head and looked at me and in that moment I had the most complete and genuine acceptance take over my body. I would 100% in front of my family and Jesus himself walk straight back into some raging inferno that was once my house to go get my fat cat. I nodded back

the best part of this post is reading all the tags from animal people who would also go back to save their pets. like no hesitation. walk backwards from heaven straight back into hell. someone even said they would go back for their fish. amazing

I have three cats. I’d go back three times if necessary.

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rufeepeach

Lemme just say

The Germans in Wonder Woman are not Nazis.

I just saw a troubling comment on a gifset of Antiope and her badass three-arrow stunt shot at the three german soldiers on the beach. I love that moment as much as anyone. However, this comment referred to her ‘killing Nazis’. And those men were not Nazis

Wonder Woman is set in WW1. Hitler would not come to power for over a decade after WW1 ended. Fascism had not yet become a political force in Europe. In fact, Germany’s treatment as a defeated aggressor instead of as an equal party in the armistice negotiations - and later the Treaty of Versailles - despite the Allies’ equal culpability for the war, directly contributed to the rise of fascism and nationalism in Germany.

Stop calling the German soldiers in Wonder Woman Nazis. One of the greatest tragedies of WW1 is that the soldiers on both sides of the trenches were hungry, young, sick, poor men, who had no stake in the war. This article talks about the experiences (at least early in the war) of both sides on the Western front meeting on no man’s land and finding little difference between one another. 

There’s a lot to love about Wonder Woman, and I very much enjoyed it. I also loved the points in the movie when the violence done by Americans and British - such as when Diana speaks to Chief about the death of his people - were addressed as well, but they were brief. The presentation of Germans As The Bad Guys - especially since Aries’ influence was inconsistent as a plot point - has led to people mistakenly reading it as a movie about Nazis, when the Nazis did not exist in 1918. A WW1 setting does not sustain a narrative of one side being ‘heroic’ and the other ‘villainous’, especially if one takes into account the atrocities both sides had committed during the quarter century leading up to the armistice. It troubles me that this movie allows WW1 German soldiers to be read as Nazis. 

Please stop referring to Nazis in the context of Wonder Woman.

^ THIS THANK U

This is important

I think this lends to an underlying point that Aries was trying to cause chaos on all sides apparently including the audience

As Steve points out in the movie, World War I isnothing like World War II… the whole thing was just a big mess…there was no one country that was on the “right” side, just callous people in power all over the world sending kids off to get massacred and not caring about the damage it was doing and the lives it was destroying

It’s worth noting that Steve’s side isn’t really shown to be any more “Right” or heroic than the Germans are…while Ludendorf and Dr Poison are cetrainly villains as well, when we meet them the people in charge on Steve’s side they’re a bunch of clueless, cruel, self important, sexist old men who don’t care about the troops on their own side which is pretty much 100% accurate to what World War I was like…the people giving the orders back then were all basically General Melchett from Blackadder Goes Fourth except even less rational…hell the only person who showed ANY compassion among those in power on Steve’s side turns out to be the GOD OF WAR and only be doing it to further his own evil plans 

Diana doesn’t side with any country in the conflict either…she works with Steve and the team he puts together because they’re good people not because they’re not German…

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alicenginger

What I also found fascinating is that the God of War is literally the dude who put together the armistice.  The one that lead directly (with a combination of other factors) to the rise of Hitler and Nazism. He outright tells Diana in the climax that the armistice has been put together to deliberately provoke continuous war in an attempt to get humanity to destroy itself, which … if you factor in the Cold War and the US battles against communism and foreign terrorism, is basically what we got

The villain in Wonder Woman isn’t the Germans, Diana only assumes that Aries is posing as a German because her entry into the war is through Steve, an American soldier working with the British. The villain is really very literally war itself, and with the framing device we see very clearly that this is a battle that will never end

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wonder-trev

This is so important and if you refer to the Germans as nazis (on purpose) you are missing a HUGE part of why it was set in WWI like everyone has said above the whole point of it being set in WWI was unlike WWII, WWI had no clear bad or good side (or at least less clearer than WWII) and the movie was dealing with how Diana had to come to terms with the fact that all humankind could be evil but choosing to save/believe in them anyway ( aka the whole quote “it’s not about deserve it’s about believe and I believe in love”). Please take time and read all the amazing comments above.

I wasn’t clear on which war it was until I saw the Black Cross and then talk of Kaiser. Also gas attacks and trench warfare were kind of the hallmarks of WWI, making it the festival of human suffering that it was.Also, it’s kind of poignant that the cruelty we metted out to each other in WWI. Diana saves our shit. And BOOM. WWII and we’re being EVEN MORE TERRIBLE THAN PREVIOUSLY IMAGINED.Humans. Are. Garbage.Reblogging this again with a bunch of other tumblr users comments after reading all the amazing discourse in the notes section because I’m that extra (comments credited at the end of the quote)

  • “Yeah, WWI was essentially the world’s nastiest and bloodiest game of chicken, turning several dozen small territorial conflicts into a bloody conflagration. Kaiser Wilhelm and his leadership were essentially “the villains” or as close as you got, but it was so much more ambiguous because it was so messy. The decision to set it there instead of WW2 was a brilliant move for the story.” (via @wombatking​)
  • One of the most powerful visuals in this film is in the moment after Diana has defeated Ares, and the German soldiers around her remove their gas masks, revealing that they are just teenaged boys, as were so many of the soldiers - on both sides. It’s all too easily forgotten how many millions of young lives were so needlessly lost during the First World War, acting on the whims of aloof generals who were so far removed from the front lines and unfamiliar with the terrors of the trenches. Those in charge were content to send boys and young men off to their deaths with inane orders whilst they lived in safety and relative luxury - just as Diana discovered in the war meeting in London. When she unleashed her fury on the men in that room, telling them that they were cowards and should be ashamed, that was the film showing us that the British position in the war was just as immoral as the German. (via @cake-emu-dementor​)
  • We see the soldiers hugging each other, no matter their affiliation, at the end of the war. They were relieved. They were soldiers stuck in a war of no one. (via @xtaticpearl​)
  • WW1 perfectly illustrates what Wonder Woman is about. That she has to kill anyone in the movie is supposed to be a goddamn tragedy. And her enjoying the battle at first, before she realizes that above all one must do everything to bring peace, is her journey to becoming Wonder Woman. (via @brachial-saur​)
  • If the German’s were Nazis, then the whole point of the film, that both sides were equally to blame and that in the end it was the civilians and teenaged soldiers that suffered most, is no longer a valid one.You can’t have that balance, that both sides were equally at wrong, with WW2. One side is unequivocally the worst side, because one side murdered 11 million people and marked two persecuted ethnoreligious groups for complete extermination. (via @physicist-pi​)
  • The idea that the villain is War and Man’s capacity for evil is really underscored by the end, when the German soldier’s take off their masks and are just teenagers. Anyone who came of Wonder Woman thinking the Germans were the bad guys wasn’t paying attention.  (via @amusingmurff)
  • Diana is trying to fight war itself, but once set into motion it cannot be stopped. This is shown by Ares setting up the armistice which leads to WWII, the Vietnam War, Korean War, Cold War, and the War on Terrorism. I think that the scariest part of the movie is Diana kills the god of war, but she can never kill/stop war itself. (via @linny500​)
  • The whole point of it being set in WW1 rather than WW2 is because thematically it doesn't want to present one side as heroic and the other as villainous, but war itself as a evil thing that comes from human nature, on both sides. That’s why a huge plot point is diana becoming disenchanted with steve and the allies as any better. They def could’ve gone to more trouble to humanize more of the germans (as it was only having a few scenes where they show the germans also reacting to the horrors of war and/or celebrating peace). I honestly think the fact that they’re being read as nazis by some is in large part because of lack of education about world war 1 (I’ll admit I don’t know nearly as much about ww1 as ww2) combined with the the fact that in the comics diana became wonder woman explicitly in ww2 and fought nazis like a lot. (via @ironiconion​)
  • Should also be noted that the rest of the German leaders told Ludendorf that they /must/ strive for peace because their people were dying and hungry and doing terribly. They wanted an end to the whole mess just as much at that point as the others in the armistice. The fact that other people saw it as ‘winning’ and thus ‘beating the bad guys’ is…. pretty much in line with the way things were hypersimplified when viewed later. Like others said, Diana doesn’t pick sides because she’s against the Germans. She’s under the impression (most of the movie) that both sides will stop fighting immediately once Ares is killed. She’s just also under the impression that the most violent man wielding the potentially devastating never-before-seen weapon is Ares, and he just happens to be on the German forces. (And betrays them in favor of killing them and trying to kill the world anyway. Pretty much DC’S WW1 version of Red Skull… or… Red Skull is Marvels WW2 version of Ludendorf? Idk) She even shows doubt about her good/bad judgement when she hears Chief’s story. Had she arrived in WW2 and seen the concentration camps and the hydrogen bomb…. if she saw the attack on Japan or their experiments.. In fact, I can’t imagine her reaction to it. Anything canonical out there?I’m guessing blindly that she only doesn’t flip out because she’s already been hit with the hard truth by then. (via @ponywithpaws​)
  • I actually thought the film did touch on this nicely in the final scene, when after her victory (I’m not counting that as a spoiler) Diana is standing with German soldiers and they all pull off masks to reveal they’re very young terrified looking guys. Like that was the end scene: good won and all that was left we’re a few soldiers some of whom we’re tired old men with PTSD and the rest of whom were teenagers so happy to be alive. There was no way to feel that any of those men were villains. (via @laudanine​)
  • To reiterate OP’s point, look at the ending, after Ares is killed. The Germans are pulling off their gas masks, and who are they? Young, scared kids, barely of age to enlist. Every war has its horrors, and every war takes advantage of youth, but I think WWI was notable (among other reasons) for perfecting that advantage. (via @terror-in-glasses)
  • Wasn’t that the whole point of the Chief character? That the Americans don’t have a moral high ground? I know we hate to hear that, but…(via @mustangsally78)
  • Also not all the Germans were showed to be evil.  It was pretty clear, I thought, that most of the German generals were in favor of the armistice, and that was why Ludendorf killed them. (via @trashmouse
  •  Don’t forget that the movie does contrast war leaders on opposing sides, although it’s not a direct contrast. As mentioned above the British leaders don’t care about the individual soldiers and are willing to let them die. Then there’s the only other German war leaders we see and they want to end the war because their people are suffering and there’s no point to further fighting. Ludendorf is shown as a wild card on the German side obsessed with his own ideals, he’s not meant to be representative of the German war effort as a whole since he, you know, killed off the other generals in order to force his own agenda. (via @kayrc)
  • Also the US took so long to enter WW1 because they didn’t think it was the US’s problem. There’s a reason Steve was working with the British. (via @pearlcrandall​)
  • I completely agree that ignorant viewers need to be far more careful in their language and remember context and that the deep tragedy of World War One is that everyone and no one is the bad guy but I have to raise issue with that final paragraph. The film doesn’t allow the Germans to be read as Nazis. The flags aren’t Nazi swastikas, the fighting is trench warfare and they use horses for transportation, they mention the ottoman empire which was dissolved after WWI ended etc. The viewer getting their World Wars mixed up does that. People are just too used to seeing World War Two, and many people, especially Americans, have very little understanding of The Great War at all, it just doesn’t register for them culturally, so they see a world war, and Germans and immediately go “Oh Nazi” even though that is absolutely not the way things were in reality or in the film. And as for “A WW1 setting does not sustain a narrative of one side being ‘heroic’ and the other ‘villainous’, especially if one takes into account the atrocities both sides had committed during the quarter century leading up to the armistice.” That’s the entire point of the plot twist. Sir Patrick being Ares was very clearly telegraphed through the film, I guessed it almost the second we met him, but that’s because I know that the peace deal was a direct cause of World War Two so of course that’s where the God of War would be. And that’s what the film does, it expects you to know your topic, it doesn’t hold your hand, if you know about the war, nothing in the film is a surprise to you: the youth and innocence of soldiers doing terrible things, the awful truth that Ludendorff is just human, the fact that both sides are equally blood soaked. However the film is aware that it’s audience will make presumptions, that many people won’t have spent a year writing a thesis on the political ramifications of the Treaty of Versailles and how World War One led to World War Two (which is what I did). It knows that the average viewer expects a black and white fight, good guys and bad guys, a clear and obvious villain, an evil empire for us to cheer against full of faceless henchmen that our heroine can cut down without us feeling too guilty about enjoying it. In short, the film puts the viewer in the same position as Diana, who does not understand this war either. And from the moment she realises she’s wrong (when she kills Ludendorff) the film methodically shows you how all of those assumptions that you (and Diana) made were wrong the most impactful of which was literally giving the faceless henchmen faces when the very young German soldiers take their masks off after the fight. It’s not the film that makes this a heroes and villains story, it’s people fundamentally misunderstanding the plot. (via @thebaconsandwichofregret)
  • I don’t want to disturb @rufeepeach ‘s EXCELLENT commentary but I would like to add something -by the time appeasement failed, in 1939, and Nazi Germany had invaded Austria (1938), Poland (’39), and then France (’40), AND begun a programme first to strip Jews of their rights and then to systematically eradicate them, the vast majority of people in non-Nazi-occupied countries agreed that this was a war that had to be fought.this wasn’t the case with WWI. Yes, the Entente Cordiale [Britain, France, Russia] and the Triple Alliance [Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Italy] had divided the world into opposing blocs of alliances in the fifty, sixty years before the war. Yes, this had spilled into an arms race from about the mid 1890s. But!! this didn’t mean that war was inevitable. At all. WWI started because in an already-divided world of factionalism and alliances, the Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated in Sarajevo by a member of a political society aimed at uniting Italy. This war was NOT inevitable, and ultimately it didn’t serve any real purpose. Unlike WWII, for example, it didn’t attempt to stop human rights violations on a scale never before seen. It was literally a diplomatic crisis that ran away with people and got out of hand before anyone could stop it. In this sense WWI is the PERFECT setting for Wonder Woman because it demonstrates, more than WWII, the utter stupidity and capriciousness of war. Individual Germans in WWI were fighting more or less because they had to. While some Germans in WWII fought also more or less because they had to, in WWII an overarching ideology existed against which every individual had the moral and ethical duty to oppose. no such thing existed in WWI; it was just the old story of empires fighting empires, while unseen and unacknowledged, millions died for no good reason. (via @thesepossessedbylight)
  • Just some historical facts to put the movie more into context to show it was set in WWI– -Trench warfare was a MAJOR ELEMENT in WWI and not so much in WWII. -WWI was also the last major war in which HORSES were used as a primary means of transportation. Largely because they didn’t hold up very well against tanks for obvious reasons… -You see the iron cross a lot in this movie– basically everywhere you would see a swastika if this was WWII, but it’s not. Banners, flags, etc. No swastikas? No nazis. (via @cheesey-toast)
  • The WWI setting was needed, to show Diana it’s never clear who are the good guys and who are the bad ones. That war was horrible especially in that aspect. Men were sent to the front with no clear understanding of what would happen there. And when they got there, some of them often understood that the guys on the other side were pretty much the same. There are pictures of German and French and English soldiers playing football on Christmas day (or if not Christmas day, it was in December close to the holiday). A WWII setting wouldn’t have worked as well because we all pretend there were good guys and bad guys. There were, but there were also thousands of people who did not believe in the Nazi ideology and found them they were forced to fake such beliefs for the sake of their safety or their family’s. (via @cs-rugbyworld)
  • I thought the movie was very clear in saying, “these people are not inhuman. They are the ones we are fighting, but it is the fault of the people in charge that they are fighting.” To confuse them with Nazis is completely missing the point. WWI was a good choice for the war, as there was no clear bad guy. That’s why Wonder Woman feels so much turmoil over it. (via @hartleyratsaway)
  • That was precisely Steve Trevor’s point at the end when he says, among other things, “maybe it’s my fault!“ Because he’s been in this war enough to know that this isn’t good and bad guys duking it out, like he said in the beginning (which was really just a fast way to get across the situation in a crisis). This war was not caused by one bad guy being aggressive, but human nature. This war did not even have a Hitler. Killing the villains didn’t really solve it. That was the entire point. (via @dazedclarity)
  • This is what they did so well though in the movie. Wonder Woman’s original origin takes place in WW2. But WW1 was so much more ambiguous - there was not “one bad guy” like WW2 (actually think several but you can name big names from WW2 and clear motives of Fascism). But Wonder Woman shows that pretty much everyone except Ludendorf was ready to end the war because so many Germans (people on both sides) were were starving and sick and desperate… they were dying. They had lost so many soldiers that they were sending children into battle. There was no age limit to going into the fight. Basically an entire generation was lost. And in the end when Diana beats Aries, and all those soldiers take off their masks in relief - I don’t think it’s because his “influence” was lifted or anything like that. But after witnessing that kind of battle, you know that’s it. It’s over. There’s no need to keep fighting anymore. It was just kids glad they didn’t have to take orders anymore because honestly all their superiors are probably dead and the war will be over soon. And on the “good” side of the war you have a general saying soldiers are simply there to die - millions of lives were lost. We see both sides - the more humane side of the Germans desperate to end the war as soon as possible, because every hour thousands of Germans were dying, and the British ready to let thousands more die. So I agree. Stop thinking of them as Nazis. They weren’t Nazis. Notice how in the movie they never also say what the war is about? Most wars you’re fighting for/against something (WW2 fascism etc). That was so unclear in WW1 - both sides clearly didn’t know what they were fighting for (besides Ludendorf as he explains his obsession with war making men better than their petty lives). Also it’s clear to me that Diana then goes on to see more wars and is disillusioned by the time we see her in present times. Ares was really telling the truth, he never influenced humans that way, just watched them destroy themselves with a little nudge here or there. (via @letsgivemeallthethings)
  • As the other person said, there were no good guys in this war. It was just men sitting in trenches hoping not to be killed by gas or shelling, and waiting for the call to go over the top. There was nothing truly glorious about this war, and how it ended with the Treaty of Versailles is one of the direct causes of World War 2, and arguably led to the Great Depression as well (although that’s a more complicated and more heavily debated idea). (via @my-wandering-world)
  • I did study WWI so that probs makes me a bit biased but when he said there had been nothing like it, and when Etta said that women didn’t have the vote yet, made it very obvious it was WWI. Trench warfare and a war on this scale had not happened before. ‘Like nothing we’ve ever seen’ ‘the war to end all wars’ was right, bc this was the beginning of trench warfare. And the whole Ottoman empire involvement, but yeah i did study it.But anyway reblogging for the war as the villian commentary cos i had someone try to say this movie was pro war, when it is definitely not, our protagonist hates it and positions the audience to do so too. (via @e–www)
  • I wasn’t clear on which war it was until I saw the Black Cross and then talk of Kaiser. Also gas attacks and trench warfare were kind of the hallmarks of WWI, making it the festival of human suffering that it was.Also, it’s kind of poignant that the cruelty we metted out to each other in WWI. Diana saves our shit. And BOOM. WWII and we’re being EVEN MORE TERRIBLE THAN PREVIOUSLY IMAGINED.Humans. Are. Garbage. (via @nanner)
  • thought the movie made it very clear that they were not Nazis. Not a single swastika to be found, no mention of Hitler or any other big name Nazis, and the obvious early 20th century setting. Not to mention Steve Trevor calling it “the Great War,” which was what WWI was called until after it was over.It’s not the film’s fault that audiences are unable to make use of historical context. (via @starlordudonta)
  • Also, we see Ludendorf and Dr Poison kill off German leaders who had been working on the armistice to make the point that they do not represent all of the German side. And they show the German soldiers being very young when they take off their gas masks at the end. They did a good job with Aries plan because it does reflect the reality of our history. Anyone who calls these German’s Nazis needs a refresher. (via @phdelicious)
  • Also can we point out that the Germans kept talking about the Kaiser and there literally was not a Kaiser in charge of WWII?? ? Like. Pay attention. Notice the lack of nazi flags?? Notice all the iron crosses used as the German symbol?? (via @synthiesia)
  • And you are also completely missing the point of that scene when dawn comes and all the soldiers, German and Allies, take off their masks and it is revealed that they are all teenagers and like college aged boys. Because that is an incredibly powerful scene that shows that there is truly no right am wrong but just a bunch of children fighting someone else’s war. (via @shitposting-at-the-finest-level)
  • We also see Diana come to the conclusion that the Germans aren’t the Villains exclusively when she realizes that Steve is being callous toward the villagers because Ares is influencing him too. She says it to his face: he can’t be entirely trusted to do the right thing, because the God of War couldn’t have a war if he didn’t create two opposing sides to fight in it. (via @terribletoxins)
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harostar

I love the points raised about how Ares ultimately is presented as setting up the many wars to come in the following decades. Because without the absolutely shitty things that happened in the first World War, and the horrible way that Germany was treated in the aftermath……Hitler wouldn’t have been able to become a prominent leader. The Nazis wouldn’t have been able to rise to power.

When I was a kid learning about WW2 in school, I once asked my grandmother HOW the Nazis could have been VOTED into power in Germany. And her answer was simple:

People were desperate. And desperate people will cling to anything that seems like hope.

She talked about people literally filling barrels with all the money they had, or anything they could POSSIBLY sell…..in order to buy bread. People selling family heirlooms so they could feed their families. A whole generation of men that were left broken by the war, physically and mentally. People that were tired, hungry, scared, and looking for SOMEONE or something to blame for all their suffering. 

It made it easy for someone terrible to rise to power, especially on promises of restoring the country. And the thing is that the Nazis DID initially restore Germany, but it couldn’t last and then they started tightening the choke-hold AFTER people had already surrendered freedom for security. They’d stuck their heads into the noose within realizing it, and then shit hit the fan. 

Because in the end, that’s how War works.

You get people that are desperate and scared, you have powerful people that don’t give a shit……you tell them that THIS enemy over here is the bad guy that needs defeating to make everything better. And then by the time people realize it’s bullshit, it’s too late for them to put the brakes on. They have to keep fighting, otherwise they’ll die. Once it starts going, it’s really hard to stop it. And the consequences last and last, often leading to another war in the long term. 

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joysstar

Let me thank deeply all those people at Hollywood for using, using and using again again and again the same trope German people are Nazis all the time. It doesn’t help people to understand that Germany has seen Hitler for a very short time in History. Beside, only showing this aspect of Germany in neswapers, social networks and internet doesn’t help either. When you think of it it’s fucked up, American people and ALSO many people in Europe which I think isn’t nice either, German people have evolved a lot since them but they have lost all pride. 

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