I love how in the commentary of The Dragon & The Wolf, Kit Harrington is complaining to D&D about wearing the cloak during the dragon pit scene because it was so hot and he was like “I didn’t even need to wear it, it wasn’t necessary” but D&D were like “yes it was”.

They didn’t even have a good answer for Kit as to why it was so necessary to wear. Unless they were hiding something.

Since I cannot get ahold of the commentary can someone please give me more details on this because I have been on this unnecessary winterwear theory since the second I saw it.

You know their ship is sinking when their arguments are getting this lazy.

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love u jonny

On a Jonsa snark binge. Please send me all the posts that made you snort with laughter. Jonsa Fam is def possibly the cleverest squad I’ve ever been a part of.

Ah the Subtleties of Jonsa - The Crypts

First, a very nice parallel…

Jon with Ned. Sansa with Lyanna. Both creepily interrupted by Littlefinger. But that’s not the main point.

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Does anyone have more information on this because I find it fascinating.

Jon the Dragonknight

Within the Jonsa fandom, its been talked about a lot that Jon bears more than one similarity to the legendary Ser Aemon the Dragonknight. To give a quick recap of the similarities:

Sworn to Celibacy

Prince Aemon joined the Kingsguard at 17, taking an oath of celibacy and swearing to die for the King. The Kingsguard are referred to as White Knights. He was eventually made Lord Commander of the Kingsguard

Jon was 14 when he joined the Nights Watch, taking an oath of celibacy and swearing to die protecting the realms of men. The men of the Night’s Watch are referred to as the Black Knights of the Wall. Jon was made Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch

Young Dragon vs Young Wolf

Prince Aemon’s cousin Daeron was called the Young Dragon, and was killed while under the peace banner trying to take away Dorne’s independence. 

Jon’s brother, who is actually his cousin, Robb was called the Young Wolf, and was killed while under Guest Right at the Red Wedding trying to regain Northern Independence.

Valyrian Steel Blade

Prince Aemon was so impressive in the lists that he was given Visenya’s blade Dark Sister

Lord Commander Mormont was so impressed by Jon that he gave him Longclaw

Served Under Five Kings

During his time as Kingsguard, Aemon served under five kings: Aegon III, Daeron I, Baelor I, Viserys II, and Aegon IV (the unworthy)

While serving in the Night’s Watch, Jon is technically sworn to all five kings during the War of the Five Kings (Robb, Joffrey, Balon, Renly, Stannis)

There’s also smaller details they have in common. Aemon fought a Cregan Stark, while Jon fights with Alys’ cousin Cregan Karstark. Both die in service to the realm. Aemon forced the King’s mistress Barba to leave with her infant, similar to how Jon forced Gilly to leave Castle Black. Jon also dreamed of being Ser Aemon the Dragonknight when him and Robb played at swords. (And of course the R+L=J reveal means they are both Targs)

How This Foreshadows Jonsa

The one super obvious parallel I left out of the above is Queen Naerys and Sansa. 

Prince Aemon joined the Kingsguard shortly after his sister Queen Naerys was married to Aegon IV. At their wedding feast, it was said that Prince Aemon cried.

Jon breaks down in tears during the feast where Sansa’s betrothal to Joffrey Baratheon was announced. Joffrey compares himself to Aegon IV when taunting Sansa:

Shortly after the betrothal was announced, Jon joins the Night’s Watch.

Ned promises her a match as worthy of her as Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, and he is the hero Sansa thinks of most often. (We’re also introduced to the Dragonknight in Sansa’s first POV)

IMO the parallels between Aemon/Naerys and Jon/Sansa can be used for predictor-y purposes. The most popular story told of Prince Aemon is when he championed his sister against the rumors spread by Ser Morgil. Jon has already begun championing Sansa:

While it has yet to happen in the books, throughout S6 of GOT Jon goes through the North championing Sansa’s birthright to Winterfell. I’m willing to bet a very similar scenario will play out in the books.

Prince Aemon’s doomed love for his sister Naerys is famed throughout Westeros. Considering all of their other parallels, it just makes sense that Jon and Sansa will experience something similar. But there is plenty of evidence that Jon and Sansa’s romance won’t be so tragic; the R+L=J reveal means she’s not actually his sister (avoiding the curse of incest). And Jon has already died serving in the Night’s Watch, so the most tragic moment of his arc when paralleled to Aemon’s has already passed - his romance should be much more positive.

So glad I found this.

She literally said this.

Lost and Found IV

Part I | Part II | Previously | AO3

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It was noon and Sansa had claimed the three seater sofa for herself and her duvet, wallowing in her hangover cocoon on one side of the lounge as Arya took the two seater at the other. Robb was yet to make an appearance.

“Urrrrrgh….I feel like a furry animal died in my mouth” Arya groaned yet again, her sore head the only thing visible to Sansa - she too having encased herself in a protective fluffy swaddle of blankets.

“At least you didn’t ruin your chance with a hot guy by drunk texting him” Sansa retorted groggily, her hand slipping out from her duvet momentarily to take a tentative sip from her bottled water.

Arya snorted “oh yeah! What did you say again?”

Sansa whined at the wave of sickness washing over her, as well as the memory of re-reading what she’d sent last night “I called him ‘hot Jon’” she wailed, covering her face with her hands.

Arya burst into a renewed fit of giggles before putting on a high pitched mocking voice “niiight hottt Jonnn!”

Sansa threw her water bottle at her sister.

After lounging around for a while and then forcing some food down, Sansa showered and before sitting at her vanity to dry her hair. She glanced at Jon’s phone.

Still nothing. Great Sansa - you’ve scared him away with those texts and that ridiculous selfie!

Sansa cringed as she looked back at the photo of herself, complete with ‘duck face pout’. She only just managed to resist the urge to fling the phone across the room when it came to life with what she’d been waiting for.

“…I’ve spent the past 12 hours in bloody agony over that picture. i even let my dad talk about his boring job to distract myself from u…”

The grin that spread across her face soon started to make her cheeks ache.

What to text back?

Her thumbs hovered over the letters before words started to appear…

Agony? You poor thing! What on Earth can I do to make it better? 😉

….then she hastily deleted them, huffed and flung Jon’s phone down on her bed.

As she dried and fussed with her hair, Jon’s words swam in her mind, making her smile to herself all over again. Her own phone started ringing and she thanked the Gods for her friend’s timing.

“Margie!” Sansa squealed into the call, flinging herself back on her bed to stare up at the ceiling as she indulged in some girl talk.

The conversation soon got round to Sansa’s ‘hot Jon predicament’.

“Well darling” Margaery started in her husky tone “just tell him that you’ve been a terribly good girl all year in the hopes that Santa would bring something delightfully naughty for you this Christmas…”

“Marge!”

“…then ask him if he prefers to be unwrapped slowly or if you’re allowed to rip anything?”

Sansa snorted “I can’t say that!…Besides, Christmas-based seduction never goes well for me - even when I literally spelled it out for Joff by wearing my handmade festive panties - complete with little mistoe motif right above my hoo-ha - he still didn’t get the hint!”

“Oh you’ve just had rotten luck with men sweetie….but this guy…well, I don’t know about you but he’s got a naughty little gleam in his eye…”

“Yeah” Sansa sighed “and I’ve never been with a guy with a beard before….I kind of want to stroke it” she giggled before sobering slightly. “I don’t know anything about him though…and as you said, I’m just a walking disaster when it comes to men, what with Ramsey and Joff. I don’t want to rush-“

“SANSAAAA!! MUM’S MADE LEMONCAAAAAKES!!” Arya shouted from downstairs, interrupting her conversation.

“OKAAAAAY!”

With a rumble of her stomach, Sansa quickly wrapped up her converation with Margaery and hung up the call. She bounced up off of her bed and bounded over to the doorway, hair swinging with the most amount of energy she’d had all day.

Spinning back into her room after deciding to take Jon’s phone with her, she went back to the bed to retrieve it.

Sansa’s eyes widened when she saw that the screen was alight and that the phone was on a call - with Jon.

Oh shit! I butt-dialled him?!?!

Her pulse raced as she reached for the phone and stared down at it.

Is he there? Did he hear me talking about him?! Fuck!

Sansa’s thumb hovered over the ‘end call’ button as a debate raged in her head.

Do I start talking or hang up?….DO I START TALKING OR HANG UP?!

“You should send her one back!”

Jon rubbed his temples and glared at the telly instead of at his friend. “Remind me again why you’re a day early.”

“Because my dad’s a prick and you love me,” Theon said, chipper as always. “But don’t change the subject, mate. She sent you a hot picture; it’s your turn to send one back! That’s how dating works now!”

“I’m not sending her a dick pic,” Jon said firmly.

Theon snorted. “Not a dick pic. That can come later. But now, you gotta send her like… I don’t know. What about you girls find attractive?”

Tearing his attention away from a rerun of Peep Show, Jon glared at his friend. “What? What are you on about now?”

“Oh!” Theon threw his body over the length of the couch and incidentally over Jon’s lap. At first, he hadn’t the foggiest what his mate was doing other than having a complete breakdown, but then when he saw Theon come away with his borrowed phone, his heart dropped to the soles of his feet.

“If you value your bloody limbs, you will give that back!” Jon growled.

“Alright, calm down, Hercules,” Theon said, jumping over the back of the couch. “Ooh, your lady love is ringing!”

“No, no! Theon, don’t you dare!” The irritation had now evolved into a full-blown panic as Jon tried to grab the phone back once more. “I think I could really like this –“

A voice cut through the room, crackly but distinct.

Both Jon and Theon had frozen as soon as they realised what she was talking about. She didn’t know she had rung him. “Oh my god…”

“She doesn’t know!” Theon whispered.

In the background, they heard someone calling for her and her ensuing reply. The line then went silent for a few seconds. Jon immediately took the opportunity to tackle Theon to the ground, twist the phone away and hang up. “You utter fucking prick!”

“Your girl is kinky!” Theon shouted, apparently incapable of listening to a sodding word Jon said ever. “We should take a picture of you naked with a bow wrapped around your junk. ‘Unwrap this, babe!’”

Jon punched his friend hard in the shoulder. “I take that back. You’re a disgusting prick.”

“Disgusting, maybe,” Theon said, rubbing his shoulder. “But also faster than you.” He kneed Jon in the balls, grabbed the phone and took off. Unfortunately, the idiot was faster and he’d locked himself in the toilet.

“Theon, don’t do it! Please!” 

Merry Christmas, Hot Mystery Girl. For your hoo-ha bank. Love, Jon’s best mate 😉 😘 👉👌💦 xxx

You know, in the books Winterfell Castle is actually super warm inside. Sometimes too warm. Hot springs pump water through the walls so the characters don’t have to wear a ton of layers. My point is, there is no excuse for Kit’s lack of shirtless scenes! They are not being true to source material!

Alright Jonsa fam, I have a confession to make.

I do not believe in the UCL theory. I have scoured the metas available because I want it to be true but I just don’t buy it. Partially because it’s ooc, partially because it would be a lazy and all-to-convenient twist worthy of a lesser show.

Personally, I think Jonsa is still more than possible even if Jon does have real feelings for Danielle, but my theory is complicated and requires a lot of shit to happen in a short amount of time, and tonight I feel like opening my mind. So I’m calling all my shipmates to give me your best arguments for Political Jon in a reply or an ask, whichever you prefer. If you want to link to an especially convincing meta that’s cool too.

And real quick I wanted to mention how lucky I am to have picked this ship as I have recently learned the alternative is full of some of the most mean spirited shippers I have ever crossed paths with. Jonsa fam, on the other hand, is possibly the most respectful ship, cannon or non, that I have ever seen on the internet. Thank you for showing other fandoms how shipping should be done!

Getting to political!Jon can be done by working backwards.

If we go with my preferred definition (political!Jon is the theory that Jon’s S7 actions were motivated by his central desire to cause Dany to commit to fighting in the North with her dragons no matter the cost) then to disbelieve political!Jon you must believe:

Step 1: Jon Snow is in love with Dany; 

Step 2: Jon must NOT doubt Dany’s commitment in fighting the Night King in any way when he bends the knee; 

Step 3: As a corollary to that, Jon must believe that it is not NECESSARY to bend the knee to her in order for her to help fight the Night King

-which would mean-

Step 4: If Jon doesn’t believe his pledge of loyalty influences her to fight the Night King, and doesn’t doubt her commitment to fighting the Night King, then you must believe that he gave away the North and chose to give her ultimate ruling authority over the Stark family and Winterfell because he is deeply in love with her - OR - because he is so convinced in her merits as a ruler that he would give her the North without any consultation with his family even though he doesn’t even think it’s necessary to do so to secure her help.

Ultimately, it would mean he loves her so much that he freely gave her ruling authority over his family (including the power to execute for treason) without even believing it necessary.

That’s the biggest character assassination of Jon Snow I can imagine.

Hm. To me it really boils down to three factor (partly also mentioned by other posters):

1. Jon is not Robb. Until the RW happened, we all thought Robb was the Stark hero, the champion we rooted for - and then it turned out that while Robb was  brave and had strategic skill, he was also not very politically minded and vastly underestimated the repercussions of putting his love life above the fate of his people. To win the war or at least to prevent the RW, what Robb *should* have done was to marry Roslin Frey, even if he loved Talisa. Jon knows that the Northern Lords are likely to distrust Daenerys and we see Sansa throughout S7 ringing her hands in fears of the North rebelling against Jon in case he gets too friendly with the Targaryen ‘Queen.’ So my point is: unless Jon is supposed to be the *exact* replica of Robb and making the same mistakes, I can not see how Jon would “bend” the knee and submit the North to Daenerys for the *love* of her. It’s not Dany Jon wants — it’s her dragons (especially after he’s seen them in action against the WW). Comparing it to Robb again: Dany is NOT Talisa, but the Frey daughter Robb was supposed to love and marry and her dragons are the Frey army Robb needed to win the war. To me, I think the point will be made very clearly that Jon will not make the same decision as Robb - but the opposite one: enter into a political alliance even if he does not love her. The question of UCL will actually determine Jon as a character in his own right - it will determine whether he is a flat or a round character, a static or a dynamic one. Jon being in love with Dany and bending to her for real would also make clear that he is definitely not good at ruling, that he has zero political skill and reason. Going one step further: where would that leave Jon’s character when D is on the throne? Probably in her bed like Daario 2.0. 

2. GoT LIVES on off-screen deception. I mean, if the Starks conspired off camera in Winterfell (result: LF’s trial) who says there were no characters conspring off camera in other places during S7. On GoT we usually only find out later that someone has been planning things in the shadows when some epic resolution happens. Did we know beforehand that Jaime would not be in Casterly Rock but instead sack Highgarden? Did we get to see before that Olenna and Petyr planned to poison Joff on his wedding day? Did we know that the Red Wedding would happen like this? Did we know that Dany would burn the Khals in the Dosh khaleen? Did we know that the NW would pull a Julius Caesar on Jon?? And the list goes on endlessly…We don’t get to see those scenes where the most important decisions and plans are being made – so we get the full impact of the shocking reveal afterwards. Otherwise, there would be no way of ever deceiving and misleading viewers and surprising them. People who think the Political!Jon theory is entirely impossible on GoT are imo disregarding the way this television show works: it all functions on red herrings and smoke and mirrors - major deception so we can enjoy the thrill of surprise and shock when things had not been “as they seemed”. You may or may not believe in Political!Jon (and I do understand if the evidence is yet too thin for people to buy it), but it definitely isn’t a completely outlandish idea on a show that prides itself on being subversive and different from other narratives. About the moral/ethical aspect: And again, here I would like to recount that throughout the show, people have deceived and lied and conspired not with evil intent but because it was necessitated by circumstances.There is a distinction between deception for low, selfish or evil reasons and deception that happens for the greater good or to save someone else life…or in fact many many lives. If the Political!Jon theory is valid — then his deception of Danii would fall into the second category like no other. If Jon “played” Danii as people scornfully call it, then we know that he did not do it for the fun of it. He did it because he was desperate and backed into a corner and would have sold his soul in order to save the North and his people. 

3. What else could be the plot twist of S8? At this point we know any character that is left now could die at any time. People have been predicting Sansa’s death til the cows come home (but let’s not even get into that). My point is that with R+L=J being revealed at least to Sam, Bran and the audience - there needs to be some other big plot twist to be revealed in S8 - unless D&D have actually given up altogether and just want to tie up the loose ends and call it a day. We know this is not the case, especially not for the grand finale. Some say the big plot twist is D being pregnant - which has been foreshadowed so unsubtly that it’s actually comical and feels more like fanservice to Dstans than an actual surprise shocker. I mean is it from now on going to be straightforward: one half of the season will be the defeat of the NK and WW, the other half of the season Queen Daenerys and her squad will defeat Evil Cersei and it will all end in a glorious triumphant Mhysa-like scene where Daenerys finally plonks her butt down on the Iron Throne and everyone is happy as larry. Of course we know the Targ reveal will play some kind of role, but it is still difficult to imagine how S8 ends without the revelation of some elaborate plot that has been played under viewer’s noses for the entire time. The Targ reveal has long ceased to be a plot twist, it does not have an impact anymore. Unless D&D are only betting on the shock factor of unexpected deaths (like who? I expect everyone to die at any time now), I can’t see that there was any other elaborate “game” going on in S7 except Political!Jon. 

Yooooo @ladyandtheghost I love this. And I really do think the Sansa/Arya/LF plot twist reveal was to set the stage for another plot twist reveal next season. To get viewers used to the idea of it happening.

There are a lot of hints of a Targ baby, and even more obvious “hints” (because let’s be honest, they were not so subtle punches) trying to force a Jonerys romance plot on viewers - but there’s also hints of UCL or at least political!Jon, too.

“You have to be smarter than Robb…”

“Have you ever considered lying?…”

“It might look that way from the outside…”

“What are you doing talking to me?….”

There’s an obvious pattern where if you SEE a character articulate a plan - it’s almost certainly going to fail or be thwarted by someone else’s plotting.

We see Dany and Tyrion’s plan for Westeros mapped out completely through S7 and then thwarted. Then Jaime and Bronn and the Tarlys talk about bringing the stuff back from Highgarden - to be surprised by Dany (who never said what she was in the process of doing.

Same with Sansa-LF.

So the point of planning off screen is a very good one and it’s also true that when a character guides the actions of another but we don’t get that character’s true POV…there’s almost ALWAYS something else going on.

It’s just a pattern.

One more thing I want to bring up. There’s a scene where Dæny tells Jon that she has also lost two brothers just like he did. At this point he hasn’t received word about Brans return, sooo if what he says is true “I thought arya and bran were dead” and Jon can not tell a lie, why then doesn’t he use this opportunity to open up about his personal life to the woman he’s falling for? If he thought bran was dead, then why didn’t he correct her and say something like “actually I lost 3 brothers, not 2” another failed opportunity to get J/D to form a real bond, this is also a canon example of Jon lying!! (By omission) it is such a tiny lie that most of te GA has missed it, but it is still a lie no less, And if he’s willing to lie about his family, what else is he capable of lying about?

Okay fine! You guys have convinced me of political Jon theory.

Lmao your tags are the best thing to come of this entire post. And while I am still skeptical, I have hope. Jonsa fam killed it.