Has anyone debunked that telegram/YouTube video supposedly videoing “Hamas” killing civilians and children?? I’ve been trying to find something to debunk it because assholes keep trying to use it as proof that Israel is in the right.
unfortunately we have very little idea of what exactly happened october 7th still, which even israeli citizens have called for more transparency for. hamas definitely did kill civilians, and very likely children. we know the idf responded late and when they did they fired indiscriminately, which lead to more violence and deaths. we know that hamas's primary objective was to take hostages to negotiate with and strike a blow to israel's military "iron wall."
we know they have since said there is no physical evidence of rape or sexual assault or the beheaded babies, and have reduced the reported number of deaths from 1400 to 1200 because many of the unidentified charred remains turned out to be palestinian. we know of those 1200 deaths at least 30% were military personnel. we know around 250 hostages were taken, some of whom were released and at least 60 of whom hamas has reported killed so far due to the israeli bombing of gaza. we know hamas's original offer was to exchange the hostages for the palestinian prisoners in israel, who number over 10,000 and include many children in administrative detention (so not charged with anything) and others who are simply political prisoners. we know hamas has since made multiple offers for hostage release for a ceasefire that israel refused.
i think it's possible to be objective about the violence that took place without necessarily falling for israeli propaganda. the truth is it really will take years before we know the exact details of what happened on october 7th. the issue is that these murky and (it appears now) blatantly falsified claims by the idf and the israeli government have led to an openly genocidal campaign, and so it is more urgent than ever to interrogate them. this doesn't mean these events weren't horrifying for israelis, who have largely been insulated from the type of violence they have inflicted for a long time, but that we need to assess the claims that they were "mindless violence for the sake of it" "ISIS-like" or "an attack on all jews" which has been used to manufacture consent for genocide.
the thing is there is nothing on earth hamas has done that would justify the collective punishment and siege of 2 million palestinians in gaza. it is simply why international law exists. even if it were all true, which it is not, to argue that israel has a moral, legal or ethical right to enact mass punishment on gaza's civilians means that hamas had a far better claim to the moral, legal and ethical right to attack israeli civilians for their government's actions. it is a self-defeating argument.
but this is not true nor was hamas's attack on october 7th straightforward vengeance or collective punishment:
again its important to distinguish between explanation and justification. i dont actually think the israeli hostages are having an easy time, or that october 7th wasn't certainly traumatizing for many. i think its possible to be critical of the israeli narrative on the events of that day without saying hamas didn't kill anyone. they definitely did. that is the nature of violent operations. certainly at least a few hamas operatives committed war crimes.
but to contextualize it, which many are allergic to doing: insofar hamas has kept an indisputably lower civilian casualty rate than israel. we don't actually know the death toll anymore because israel has now surrounded and bombarded the people responsible for reporting gaza's death toll under siege at al-shifa hospital. this last sentence describes at least four war crimes.