People who condemn fandom racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. and talk about how we need more and better representation of minorities in media but then turn around and say that fandom incest, pedophilia, and abuse are ok because ātheyāre just shipsā and āfiction doesnāt affect realityā will never cease to boggle my mind. Like the amount of congnitive dissonance is utterly astounding and I canāt imagine being that stupid or willfully ignorant
listen. fiction may be fiction, but fiction is created by real, actual people and it has real, actual implications and consequences. fiction does not exist in a bubble ofĀ āit doesnāt really matterā, it has never existed in a bubble ofĀ āit doesnāt really matterā, and people being critical of fictional works for how they present real, actual things that really, actually happen is important.
āITāS JUST FICTIONā is not a fucking defense. it is not a good excuse. it has never been a good excuse. it will never be a good excuse. creations by real, actual people have real, actual implications in our real, actual world, and if people are critical of some work of fiction, thereās usually a pretty solid reason for that.
Trump is so brave and so fucking Orangeā¦. Dare I say heāsā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ Asexual
itās your white cis ass thatās stale for not getting the simple fact that compared to a community that includes trans ppl and poc, youāre the one closer to trump, for your shared white and cis privilege and sadism, shithead. showing off your bullshit allyship like a pro. funny, considering your url.Ā ās like u tried real hard to deny ur still an oppressor by disguising it as us demonizing u.
hey, my nameās laurel and iām back on my bullshitā¦ the new Discourser On The Block.Ā
my opinions are on my aboutĀ but i have a feeling this is gonna be a mostly ace discourse and calling out ableism blog. that being said, can i have a promo?Ā
@gayhets @discourseful @dare-i-say-asexual (feel free to ignore this if you donāt do promos!)
OH NO
We all know that ācalling out ableismā by OP amounts toā¦ Not calling out ableism and just telling people to go outside or whatever
Iām bleeding out from laughing too hard
The jokes write themselves sweet friends
Whoās gonna tell op gayhets literally made fun of someone about their agoraphobia and then made someone elseās trauma into an open discuss-and-diagnose session via screen shotting them venting about smth and saying how they needed help,,,, without,,, like,,, actually wanting to help,
yāall expect a newly made blog to know about all the recent drama going on in the exclusionist community lol
So you just join discourse and tag ppl without knowing anything about them or whatās been going on??
Tbh that explains a lot about exclusionists as a whole lmao
LMAO SHITHEAD IF UR TAGGING THREE FAMOUS REGS YOU CANāT SAY YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT THEM BEING INHUMAN ASSHOLES YOU JUST DIDNT LOOK ON PURPOSE
discourseful decided itād be wise of their white ass to define oppression by laws and illegality, when thatās a common argument used to delegitimize pocās outrage against racism, and overall is common among anti-sjw circles to invalidatz all kind of marginalized ppl, so sure they are woke lmao. because placing the legitimity of oneās struggle on conditions decided by their oppressors is so progressive. and all over someone not freaking wanting aphobes to follow them. bcus boundaries are annoying apparently.
and dare-i-say-asexual has been caught liking terf propaganda. but no biggie. and they literally spit on ace ppl, not cishets. and their url is a joke about hc'ing abusers as aces.
actually all THREE of them do.
such quality work of not platforming abusers, terfs and precious fragile whites defining who is rlly oppressed.
OH SHIT DARE-I-SAY DID WHAT
GIMME THE DEETS
i live to serve. cw for dysphoria heavy stuff for nb and men because cis ppl cant be silent when they should. this is old news tho. blocklist gallore too.
you can beĀ āA SEVERELY TRAUMATIZED AND SCHIZOPHRENIC MINORāĀ Ā and still be ableist, yeah.
last time i checked c-ptsd and pdās and others donāt come with a booklet dlc on How To Be Woke About Eugenics
and when u tell an austistic person toĀ ālearn to read maybeā ur screwed and ableist, thatās all.
asshole.Ā
@mochacourse im so sorry you really did nothing wrong for venting and they shouldnt have reblogged that regardless of your tags holy shit why do they not understand boundaries this is b a s i c stuff.
hey, my nameās laurel and iām back on my bullshitā¦ the new Discourser On The Block.Ā
my opinions are on my aboutĀ but i have a feeling this is gonna be a mostly ace discourse and calling out ableism blog. that being said, can i have a promo?Ā
@gayhets @discourseful @dare-i-say-asexual (feel free to ignore this if you donāt do promos!)
OH NO
We all know that ācalling out ableismā by OP amounts toā¦ Not calling out ableism and just telling people to go outside or whatever
Iām bleeding out from laughing too hard
The jokes write themselves sweet friends
Whoās gonna tell op gayhets literally made fun of someone about their agoraphobia and then made someone elseās trauma into an open discuss-and-diagnose session via screen shotting them venting about smth and saying how they needed help,,,, without,,, like,,, actually wanting to help,
yāall expect a newly made blog to know about all the recent drama going on in the exclusionist community lol
So you just join discourse and tag ppl without knowing anything about them or whatās been going on??
Tbh that explains a lot about exclusionists as a whole lmao
LMAO SHITHEAD IF UR TAGGING THREE FAMOUS REGS YOU CAN'T SAY YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT THEM BEING INHUMAN ASSHOLES YOU JUST DIDNT LOOK ON PURPOSE
discourseful decided it'd be wise of their white ass to define oppression by laws and illegality, when that's a common argument used to delegitimize poc's outrage against racism, and overall is common among anti-sjw circles to invalidatz all kind of marginalized ppl, so sure they are woke lmao. because placing the legitimity of one's struggle on conditions decided by their oppressors is so progressive. and all over someone not freaking wanting aphobes to follow them. bcus boundaries are annoying apparently.
and dare-i-say-asexual has been caught liking terf propaganda. but no biggie. and they literally spit on ace ppl, not cishets. and their url is a joke about hc'ing abusers as aces.
actually all THREE of them do.
such quality work of not platforming abusers, terfs and precious fragile whites defining who is rlly oppressed.
Is there even a list of shitty things inclusionists have done
i just pictured in my mind āthe inclusionist blocklistā. beside every username theres receipts for what theyāve done, including āaccepts nb peopleā ādoesnt hate pan peopleā āisnt a terfā āisnt a truscumā āthinks that bi people can be non-sgaā ābelieves ace/aro people dont have to be harassed/ridiculed/put in conversion therapyā ādoesnt think demisexuality is the norm that everyone feelsā āhates being misgendered or called a cishetā ācalled me out for saying an ableist slurā
Like I know there are some shitty exclusionists but none of them ever get platformed last I checked
āMade me feel guilty for being a bigotā comes to mind bc someone was like āyour guilt tripping meā after saying smth VERY fucked up, thatās like, guilt worthy
I was pretty much joking, mocking what i thought they would have considered as something to include in a āshitty things inclusionists have doneā list (even if of course there are inclusionists who have fucked up, but most times the above mentioned are the things that make exclusionists more mad at us). also unfortunately no, not many of them are no platformed. demisexualmeansnormal is a 40 y/o who harassed a gay trans black teenager lecturing them about racism, displacecourse agrees that ace people deserve conversion therapy bc its healthy for us and said if we get mad we are idiotic, heteroromanticmarkiplier said non-sga people oppress sga people implying that trans/nb people oppress cis gays and harassed a person over their ace oc (in a gay relationship) to the point they werent eating anymore, rebelbaze believes conversion therapy is a conspiration to make gay people ace, gayhets is ableist, bigbadmeangatekeeper is a truscum, were-wolfcourse is a transphobe, inkf/emme is a trans/nbphobe, siobhan///blank is a rape/pedophile apologist who believes people who call out rape/pedophilia fetishizers are just pissed inclusionists. these are just the ones that come to my mind but last time i checked they were all platformed and some of them also have lots of followers if anything. the only ones that they dont platform are those who say blatant stuff like ākill all acesā or who are explicit terfs (sometimes).
Also yeah i think who youāre talking about is someone who reblogged that huge masterlist herefortheace made of all the anti aro/ace shit on this site. they said āyeah but you shouldnt list this stuff it makes us feel guilty :/ā
Inclusionists** I mistype d brjdjdbr this is what I get for cleaning and messing w/ discourse
SORRY OMG i even suspected that but you know better throw an infodump at 2 am than going to sleep lol
Yee ur good!!! Honestly I can use it for when I gotta go hunt down receipts for this list lmao
srsly tho @mochacourse i have that blocklist in my "gross inclusionists" tag. many are predators tho so careful plz.
but.lmao ye i can imagine them counting our inclusive movements for intersex, nb, pan and enbian ppl as Bad Points.
Brilliant!
Simple.
This is how you parent. By trusting your kids and being there for them and not turning thier home into a prison
hey, so, thanks to some good talks with a few of yāall, iāve realize that my use of the word āterfā in that post was far-fetched. i shouldāve used something more along the lines of ātransphobic,ā or just not made the post at all. Iām sorry for upsetting those of you who felt my stance was poorly communicated.
hope you all have a pleasant day!
what is transphobic abt saying you should treat children with kindness and compassionā¦?
like i said, my stance was poorly communicated. i feel like the pressure placed on trans people to adhere to binary rites of passage is strong, and many cope by saying they dislike the object of status. it just feels like an excuse to demonize gnc/trans/queer individuals, and i donāt like that.
āSome people??hate kids??to cope??ā
āI am inherently unable to delineate between a semi-institutional social pressure and the tangentially related product of the pressure despite the fact that they have nothing to do with the societal pressures I face nor would understand it should I explain to them why I use it against themā or, āI canāt draw a line between hating people telling me I should have kids and hating kids, even though kids probably wouldnāt fully understand or care if I explained it to them after being a fucking prickā
Preformative allies = white cis exclusionists who get caught being racist bigots
*and ableist exclusionists who joke ab ppl dying oops
I canāt believe they oblitered straight men like that
@tabbran please add lemon man story to this
That was a wild goddamn ride
god this was worth the read
OH THIS POOR SOUR SOUR FRAGILE MAN
lovethisbestlemonadebutafterbeyonce's.
Just a friendly reminder
Aphobia is not real, and the interpersonal struggles of ace people does not make them oppressed. Their discrimination comes directly from misogyny, which isnt something they alone face, it affects literally everyone. Whereas homophobia/biphobia/transphobia is something that LGBT people alone face. Oppression is related in the way that everyone who is oppressed, is oppressed, but the reasons are different. Ace people arent āoppressedā for not wanting to have sex. Literally no one cares about that, my straight ace friend agrees with me. You dont need safe spaces, youāve never been oppressed to the point where people murder you in droves and you hear offensive rhetoric about you on the daily in places that should be safe for you to exist. People saying āyouāll find someoneā is simply from a lack of understanding that comes from r*pe culture and misogyny. R*pe culture pushes the idea that you have to have sex, that you cant say no, and that isnt an ace issue alone.
TL;DR: Aphobia is not real, stop acting like your personal problems are discrimination.
tag yourself Iām the mogai puss baby
aaa this ice cold tea take did not refresh me, surprisingly.
especially that last line, who had transantagonism, exorsexism, bi-antagonism and pan-antagonism interchanged commonly with aphobia in the past. sometimes very recent past.
wouldnt expect much better from someone whose url is an incel joke tho.
Anyways ion gonna make a masterpost of really shitty things done in the discourse soon
Hey, @mochacourse since I have receipts for something, but canāt get mobile to work right with submissions, Iām gonna put them here! Tw: sex and genitalia talk, desexualization of aces, mockery, harassment, relapse mention
This is from a couple months ago, but it fits with the current claiming their harassment/mockery/desexualization ādoesnāt have IRL consequensesā theme lately.
This was an incident where a harmless little post accidentally wound up in the wrong tag (ace discourse) and was met with harassment, mockery, and even desexualizing ace people when a simple, āhey this isnāt discourse, did you mean to put it here?ā would have solved the problem. For reference, this is the original that started this:
Simple little post, and completely harmless. Exclusionists response to it instead of āthis isnāt discourse?ā
dickscourse and hetmarki:
Quite literally, OP: āI dunno what you guys are on about, the character I mention gets a boyfriendā
These two: ālol no he doesnāt fuck you, weāre gonna compare aces like you to genuinely harmful shit and kinks and mock your terms like qprs because itās funny!!ā
Alongside talking about kinks/sex to a person who they donāt know the triggers of or what theyāve been through and most likely caused their relapse with those comments. Not a single exclusionist said anything about it and as far as I know, continue to platform them.
rebelblaze:
āasexual canāt ever have and enjoy sex because the āaā literally means ānotā.ā As if sexual orientations are totally all about sex because most of if not all of them have the same base word āsexualā with different prefixes./s
It almost like rebelblaze seems to equate all sexualities directly to sex and not to what gender a person finds attractive. Try using rebelblazes logic on defining sexuality by the literal definitions of the prefix+word combo and tell me itās not disgusting. This is desexualization of asexual and if this is how they(?) view sexuality then sexualization of literally everyone else.
2promano:
Just someone else equating sexualities to how much one fucks/wants to fuck! Bonus for that comment equating struggles we face to just not wanting to bone.
Itās not like my struggles involved stalking, threats of harm I wonāt specify here, harassment (including sexual harassment), and suicidal tendencies due to all the above all from coming out as ace when I was about 14.
But you know, ānot wanting to boneā was totally my biggest worry.
I need to read this more in depth but just skimming I feel like this is going to upset me extremely; Iām going to wait until tomorrow before I get my hands dirty
i hold all of these scums responsible for sexual abuse and gaslighting of aspec ppl from this point on. especially of aspec kids. this is a form of rape culture.
In case anyone needs further proof of how garbage and ableist some bigger name exclusionists are, so that they can finally be no-platformed:
The worst part?
Even though that person literally called a disabled person aĀ āuseless member of societyā and saidĀ āthe cogs of capitalism will crush you and it will be its only successā, not one single exclusionist will call that shit out.Ā Ā
holy shit thatās so incredibly vile
Thatāsā¦ really gross
Like, I donāt even care about what the prick said about me. But what Ihateuglies said about Debi, thatās not even subtle eugenics. Thereās no mincing words here, thatās literally a sentiment people with intellectual disabilities are victimized by, and Gayhets and Co. are cheering over it like itās some kind of victory:
I wonder if this is why exclusionists have hopped on the āstop calling everything ableistā train.
This is such a dangerous thing to perpetuate idk what to even say rn
PRAISE JESUS
When will gayhets delete for perpetuating this bullshit tho
AND CRAVE DEATH IN THIS DARK NIGHT
āJohann Scheff, trans lady SW arrested in 1932 for nicking womenās clothes from a department store in Berlin.ā Weāve always been here. Not even book burnings can truly erase it.
weāve always been here. committing misdemeanors
Even if I wish this wonderful lady had not gotten herself arrested, she is a wonderful reminder that we have always been here!
WarriorTrans
aromantic aplatonic heterosexual cisgender icon uwu:
dude this is really shitty just sayin
uwu this is just my headcanon uwu donāt hate
Dude. comparing innocent people to a shitty alt-right homophobic and racist leader is really shitty.
seems pretty aphobic of you to claim that donald trump canāt be aromantic and aplatonic because heās a homophobe š¤š¤š¤ almost makes you think about exclusionists point of view
making nasty jokes like this based on peopleās orientation is a shitty thing to do, idk what else to tell you buddy
And weāre back to comparing aces/aros to Trump, as a black aro ace mixed race woman I still think itās HILARIOUS to associate my orientation with ppl who want me hurt or dead, love all those posts about ace/aro āiconsā whoāre fascists, dangerous misogynists, plain evil in general, and oh there was also that post about how aces are like Thomas Jefferson specifically because he was a slave owner and Iām sure Iām forgetting severalā¦ like the anti-ace/aro crowd is fucking horrible
canāt believe op thinks calling aro people evil is fucking progressive is their head up their ass twice
Just to be really clear OP, by comparing all aromantic people to trump you have compared:
Jewish, trans, gay, lesbian, bi, pan, black, latine, Muslim, disabled, refugee, and poor aspecs to the man currently trying to kill those groups without being noticed.
You are a disgusting person, and you cannot possibly expect us to believe that youāre just ātrying to protect your community from the cishet invaders uwuā when you pull shit like this. Mocking people for their sexual orientation, when they are oppressed already on that axis, and pretending a person with that orientation is somehow the ultimate in privilege, is gross, and always has been. Itās also foolish.
Can you imagine being this hateful? I mean really imagine? Hating ace and aro people this much? There isnāt a single thing about this tha isnāt pure hateful venom. Itās disgusting.
OP has apologized but OP is shitty anyway and their blog is filled with shitty jokes along the same exact lines as this one, so I highly recommend blocking them anyway
I skimmed through their blog and it consists of claiming ace ppl are all white so tbh their apology is bc they actually got negative attention on a post but Iām sure if they didnāt theyād be all for this lmao.
yeahā¦ Given that they think this post is funny? In any capacity? Really makes me question the sincerityĀ of their āapologyāĀ
But the thing is for me, I think that whoever feels that theyāre aro ace can classify themselves as aro ace. I honestly believe that just cause yo evil or something doesnāt mean that classifying yourself as aro ace or really any sexuality should mean that other people could start commenting about how thatās bad. Sorry I canāt really put this into words. Just let someone be who they are, mind your own business. Oh yeah just noting that this has nothing to do with Trump personally, Iām just using this post to point out a view.
thatās not really the pointā¦.
itās not the actual person calling themselves aroace. Itās someone who thought it would be funny to call Trump by aromatic terminology in order to make fun of Aros
They reblogged from someone who is extremely ableist so like tbh I donāt care if op said sorry bc now itās hella clear itās just because they got caught and got dragged for it.
Exclusionists are only sorry when they get caught, fucking confirmed
Ironic how the post itself is even ableist, I donāt agree w/ opheliaās past discourse nor am I v fond of her but making posts tying to dissect how someone responds to stuff is really gross??? Weāre not test subjects or things you can discuss, shit like this. Comes off REALLY gross and weird.
I agree, it feels like Gayhets is sitting there going off condescendingly at opheliaās legit sexual traumaā¦ like, GH doesnāt have a great track record with showing genuine sympathy, everything they say about aces is tipped with sarcasm and mockery, so I canāt see GH telling an ace person to āget helpā without it being behind a huge grin. this is disgusting.
....and in this day i still crave death.