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This took? Less time than I expected but here’s all my takes on the Casino Members as hoomins

someone requested iruma teaching kiibo how to swim and i’m sorry it turned out like this

Rip Robot boy

Kaito gives Shuichi “dating practice”

Kaito: *rolls cart over to Shuichi* Seduce me. 

Shuichi: …you? 

Kaito: *crosses arms* Seduce me. 

Shuichi: What? Why? I’m not going to- 

Kaito: SEDUCE ME!! 

Shuichi: R-right, right, okay! *clears throat, grabs object from cart* H-hey there…good-looking. I’ve got a bucket of chicken- 

Kaito: *knocks bucket from hands* I’m not one of your fried chicken tramps! I’m a woman! I like my men dangerous! Mysterious! You want to be my lover? Earn it! SEDUCE ME!!! 

Unpopular opinion on Himiko x Tenko

DISCLAIMER: I’m not hating on anyone for shipping this, I don’t mind what people ship. I’m just giving my general view on the dynamics of the relationship itself.

I personally don’t think Himiko and Tenko is a good ship at all. Himiko didn’t really care for Tenko. Up until she died, she didn’t care much for her. She had a childish view of life, until the people who catered for her (Tenko and Angie) passed away. They were no longer there to do things for her, she could no longer be lazy, she had no choice but to forcibly change because she realised she took Tenko for granted. Now, if she was with Tenko in that mindset, where she realised that she was taking her for granted and changed, that would be fine. But if Tenko didn’t die and they did survive together, Himiko would still be taking advantage of her and be taking her for granted. The love is completely one-sided, I just don’t think that’s a good atmosphere for a relationship.  I think it would be nice if it did work, Tenko would be happy. But Himiko would be happy for a completely different reason, not because she loves Tenko, but because Tenko would be fulfilling her needs and Tenko gives her what she wants, like a child would think. A child takes things for granted when a person is always there for them (actually I think that can be said for a lot of adults too) but when it’s gone, suddenly they seem to care, because they realised that the things that the person did for them were actually special. That’s how Himiko thought when Tenko and Angie were alive, and I don’t think that’s healthy or good for a relationship.

I might be bias saying this, considering the fact that I don’t like Tenko as much as I wish i could’ve before knowing about DRV3 content, but l don’t know why people consider this a good ship. Knowing Tumblr, most of them like it because Tenko is a lesbian, but that’s a very simplistic and bias reason to ship something. Before knowing a lot about Tenmiko, some people told me that Tenmiko is “canon” and knowing Danganronpa, I’d thought it be legit in a way where they both liked each other, but it was not the way I was expecting. 

Tenko’s and Himiko’s relationship can be compared to SoniaxSouda where one person is obsessed with a person, but they are being repulsed by them for their persistence for attention. And sometimes they do appreciate whatever else they do, but for them most part are annoyed. I just don’t like those kind of relationships. Tenko’s whole “i hate men” shtick got old fast to the point I could predict if she was gonna call out men on something and her obsessiveness with Himiko isn’t just “Hey, can you teach me Magic, because I wanna learn something new?” It can lead to something very creepy and how she’s immediately defensive she is of her. I mean, that’s nice and all, but I’m pretty sure Tenko did that so that she could be noticed by Himiko. 

Honestly, I was lied to that Himiko liked Tenko in a romantic way. There’s no doubt that Tenko loved Himiko, that much is painfully obvious, but Himiko almost rarely showed her appreciation for Tenko, since for the most part she was annoyed by her pestering, until she died and learned a lesson of sorts. Himiko only sees her as a friend. Sure you can ship it if you want, but don’t label Himiko as a “lesbian” and learn the true meaning of the word “canon”.

And speaking of that, the only good instance I can remember in their relationship is when Tenko gives Himiko good advice about expressing her emotions more. 

Anyway, I’d rather ship Himiko with Angie or anyone else that is not as obsessive like Tenko. 

Yeah I forgot to make that point.

Obsession is definitely not a good thing.

V countered

You know what would have made the Danganronpa V3 ending way better?

If Tsumigi said in response to Shuichi:

“Of course this world is fiction! The blood is fucking pink, what did you think that was normal? Some detective you are, I should have written you better.”

Jiangshi Mei skin is so cute I hope I get itttttttttttttttt

What I thought about the Danganronpa V3 ending

I think that people don’t understand that they are MEANT to dislike the ending.

Kodaka (creator of danganronpa) was clearly sick of the “hope vs despair” formula and that’s why he did it.

It was to say if that same formula carried on there could be as much as 53 Danganronpa and the ending would be the same, hope would win no matter what.

V3 was clearly different, V3 was based on truth and lies and the whole “hope vs despair” shtick was clearly forced in at the end to make no sense with the current story line.

Infact, I would have been more upset if the whole “hope vs despair” result happened again, given that the main conflict Shuichi had was getting to the ultimate truth.

“The outer audience” in the game are clearly upset at the ending because Kodaka predicted them to be, however, in the game, at the end they understood, Kodaka made the V3 characters bond to the audience more, he gave the V3 characters more life than previous installments so that we would be even more upset. Because as Shuichi said, it’s real to them, and they wanted to convey that to the audience.

This ending was extremely risky to do obviously and only fans that really look into it will understand. That’s why, even though I’ll be sad since V3 was really interesting, I wouldn’t mind if this was the last Danganronpa.

Unless they did something new with it, another installment wouldn’t make sense and would demean what Kodaka wanted to do with the V3 ending in the first place.

EDIT: Additionally I think that fans having a tantrum about this ending is extremely childish and proves the point Kodaka makes in-game, people seem to gladly accept the same formula without the regard of the true nature of the characters within it, even the creators behind it. Sure they could cash in and make a ton of these, but I’m sure his passion for the series stopped him from doing that, thus, the V3 ending.

I think this is one way to interpret it, but honestly I still think the ending is absolute garbage, not because it didn’t do the whole “hope v despair thing”, but because I feel like it didn’t respect the other games in the series. I would’ve preferred it if V3 had completely ignored the other games and not acknowledged them at all. V3 chose to acknowledge the other games, and by making up this whole nonsense about nothing being real, the ending left me feeling cheated. Essentially it made be feel like none of the other games mattered at all, and the ending of V3 made me feel like the whole killing game had been for nothing. Because it was just a lie, it was pretend.

I’m not a professional writer or video game developer so I can’t pretend to know what Kodaka was thinking, but honestly as someone who’s been writing for 15 years, I find it hard to justify the ending as anything other than shitty, poor storytelling, done out of laziness and more of a desire to spite people rather than give a meaningful ending.

Maybe the whole idea of ‘it’s a lie’ was the whole point of it all, maybe that’s that ‘new’ thing. If that’s the case, I feel like it could’ve been done in a way that could have still respected the authenticity of the characters rather than just being like ‘lol it’s just a lie chumps’. In DR2, the characters were living in a world that was a lie, but once the truth behind that lie was revealed, it had a purpose behind it.

What bothers me about DRV3’s ending is that it feels absolutely senseless from a storytelling standpoint. It made me feel cheated, and I felt like I just watched a bunch of characters that I really, really liked died for absolutely no reason. Again, maybe that’s the point. That doesn’t make it any less of a stupid point.

Ultimately, the end of the game made me feel like I’d been trolled, and not the fun kind of trolling either.

Just saying that there were better alternatives to the shit ending we got, alternatives that would have given DRV3 its own identity separate from the other installments in the series and still left the audience feeling satisfied.

It seems like you didn’t understand what I meant by “you are meant to be upset.”

What I mean is the “outer audience” is meant to not be entertained by the ending, remember what Shuichi said? “We don’t care if you are entertained or not, we aren’t going to let you gain entertainment from messing with our lives” (or something of that nature) the ending was meant to be realistic. Making the characters have the most meaning, letting them have the real truth. That it was all a lie.

The point was that it didn’t matter if you felt “cheated”, how do you think the characters felt? Realising that their entire traumatic experience was a game for people to enjoy? They don’t care about your feelings at that point, that’s how anyone would react if they found something like that out.

You say that the characters here had a lack of respect but the fact that the characters themselves had the ability to make you feel that way because of the human nature of their characters and their experiences, they are the most respected and valuable characters that Kodaka had ever created.

As everyone saw, the audience in the game got upset, why? Because he predicted that and he wanted to ensue that emotion, he wanted people to get upset. Up until now Danganronpa hasn’t put as much meaning into the characters lives as this series has, that’s because Kodaka was more DIRECTLY involved in it. This means this is what he truly wanted for his series and characters, for them to have their own accord despite how much of a tantrum the fandom will throw. He took a risk as a creator to put forward what he was truly passionate about, he wasn’t looking to please anyone, and he doesn’t have to. A creator isn’t bound by their fanbase, if they don’t feel comfortable with what they are producing they can change it however they please.

He gave us an ENTIRE new side to Danganronpa, disconnecting the hope vs despair fiction and implemented the reality of truth and lies. Up until now the characters have either sided with hope or a variation of it (by agreeing to go with Naegi’s plans.)

The paragraph where you say you aren’t a “professional writer or game developer” and you “don’t know what Kodaka is thinking” but then you go and make the statement that the writing was lazy and that he wanted to spite the fans? That’s very contradictory.

You shouldn’t just dismiss it at face value and deem it “stupid” because you are upset. Heck that was my knee jerk reaction as well, but you have to really look at it over and over again and really take it in to understand the complexity of the ending, which makes this game’s ending one of quality.

If you can’t appricate that, well, that’s your opinion. But don’t base that opinion off of an assumption, really look into the piece you are criticising and don’t look at actions at face value.

No, I perfectly understood the intention behind the ending. I understand your argument. Maybe I didn’t make that clear enough. You presented your argument very well. I just think the sordid ending is…well, sordid.

I HATE the whole ‘break the fourth wall’ trope. I’ve always hated it. I hate it with a passion. So maybe that’s why I’m so sour about the ending, maybe it is personal in my book. Like, the ending happened, and I flipped over my keyboard and screamed “are you fucking serious are we going there”.

The reason I’m ‘upset’ (which is probably an overstatement, I just feel about as salty as a bag of chips but I’m not about to go kill someone over this) is because V3 could’ve gone in a completely different direction than the way it did in the final chapter, and it’s frustrating to have so many possibilities, to have this final mystery built up, and then have the rug pulled out from under you.

Based on your arguments, I can agree that the ending was at the very least clever, but in a way that was mean-spirited. I think Kodaka might’ve been trying to channel Kokichi. Maybe Kokichi’s an self-insert character….? On an ethical standpoint it seems wrong to both the audience and the characters to have an ending like this. Like it or not, people like Danganronpa. Kodaka obviously doesn’t owe us anything, this isn’t really about him. But as a story unto itself, not necessarily because of its popularity, but because the writing has been so solid up until this point, Danganronpa owed itself a better resolution than this. One that made all of the death that occurred in the game meaningful. If that was one of the themes they were going for, then more power to them, but it’s not one I have to agree with.

The cleverness behind the ending doesn’t necessarily equate to making it greater. It just makes me and probably other people feel like we’ve been manipulated.

Even though I’m not a professional writer or game developer, I like to think that I can still recognize a shitty ending when I see one. These are the observations of someone who really cares for Danganronpa and wants better for it.

(Apologies for taking long to respond to this but I had some deadlines I had to meet) If you personally don’t like meta based stories then me explaining the ending and stuff wont really amount to anything. That’s your opinion and I respect that. However I don’t think it’s at all fair to call Kodaka mean spirited over this. You can have your opinions on the ending, that’s fine, but to assume that a person is mean-spirited because of that is a bit of a stretch to me . If you have read interviews done with thim  (see here: https://store.nisaeurope.com/blogs/news/nisa-europe-prinnies-interview-kazutaka-kodaka-part-1-3) You would find that he is incredibly passionate about his work and isn’t spiteful in the slightest, he is a fan of controversy, hence why he even made the game in the first place. I really suggest you read all parts of the interview because there is enough evidence to suggest that Kodaka is not at all a “lazy, mean-spirited” writer and creator. It gives a great insight into what he thinks about his series and the work he put into V3.

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