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In Defense of Wizard Steel

I may be under reacting because I can't think of an extremely terrible immediate result off hand from getting someone- not even specifically a Witch by the wording- to sing where a magical artifact might capture the sound.

The geas and the mind wipe are much more concerning, but I would be more concerned if Suvi was more concerned. Suvi knows a lot more about the laws and rules of magic than we the audience do, and Aabria often turns to Brennan as the source of those laws and rules to confirm Suvi's knowledge.

Not only did Steel give Suvi the option to back out of the whole thing in narrative, Brennan gave Aabria a chance to resist the mind wipe mechanically. Both the PC and the player declined (for different reasons of course but still).

I don't think it's going to be inconsequential at all! I just don't think it's going to blow up the way we might expect, if only because we know how Wizards operate. Wizards are slow to move in a way that most Witches and Spirits are not. It's the exact reason Ame ended up fleeing the Citadel right? Wizards are slow to get going so if anything I think the successful completion of this mission (should it happen) would come back to bite them in an arc or two.

And besides that Brennan is already toying with our ideas of what we (and the Witches) expect from Wizards and vice versa. Part of Ame's panic is that she expected Steel to bar Suvi from coming but it was a Witch that refused Suvi.

Also addressing Steel's actions and thoughts directly here:

  • Steel was told by Ame and Suvi that the Witches are going to destroy Ame
  • She was also informed that when the Witches reached out to Ame, they did so in a manner that either broke through or avoided the Citadel's defenses
  • Steel is also aware of the danger of Witches in a way that other Wizards are not even though that's still very limited
  • And lastly Suvi is important not only to Steel but to the Citadel. I don't think she's worth burning over what seems like a very hastily put together plot.

So, at this time, it seems like Steel and the Citadel are reacting to the information they have been given and are responding in proportion. Whatever the artifact does or the aim of this mission I don't think it's meant to be any active danger to the people at the Castle so much as a fact finding mission, and I don't think it would be anything that the Witches might kill or even hurt Suvi over if it was discovered.

The Citadel is already dealing with a war, it does not make sense from what we know to antagonize an enemy that they don't know anything about (yet). It definitely does not make sense to endanger the Apprentice Archmage, or the only Witch fron this coven they have access to, to do so.

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brainrockets

I've seen a lot of D20 and CR fans clamoring for the PCs to have an honest conversation and clear the air. And they're not wrong. So I hope those same folks appreciate Suvi being really assertively communicative in this most recent episode of TWTWaTWO.

I loved this for them. I got chills. Just Erika and Aabria in a pitch perfect conflict that just hits on multiple levels.

Frankly, Suvi showed REMARKABLE restraint in response to Ame's lil speech about appearances and the frozen PEOPLE.

Like guess witches have their own version of the dubious spirit gallery...hmm?

And then Eursulon arrives and what a great and kind of hilarious break to the ice and the tension.

I got a HORSE!

What's better than a Paladin on a horse? (A sorcadin on an Orca objectively but my DM didn't want me to be great and that's not the point.)

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reblog if your name isn't Amanda.

2,121,566 people are not Amanda and counting!

We’ll find you Amanda.

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iceslushii

this has almost 11 million notes what is this

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yiffmaster

I’ve never seen this post once in 10 years on this site

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llsilvertail

I’ve never even heard of this before tho??? Wtf??????????

oh my god, I didn’t think there were any surviving versions of this post left

For those who weren’t around in the Deep Lore times, this is one of the relics of the editable post era. This post has THE SINGLE HIGHEST NOTES of ANY post on this site, bar none, but with more than a dozen variations. Every single post you’ve ever seen with more than 3 million notes has been a different version of this one.

This is the “Dean’s Gym Shorts” post. This is the Flubber post. This is the original “Reblog if you support gay people” post. it was ALL of them. before half the site got nuked, it had even more notes than it has now - at one point, well over 15 million, and that was years ago.

This, with no exaggeration, is the ONE TRUE heritage post

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The adventures of the Wizard Sorrow & Boshi (working title): a WBN Umora OC comics collab with @yeehawpim!!!!!

Pim did the story + layout and then let me run wild (and pop in at odd hours with questions about Boshi's design) See Pim's mad composition genius + OC lore over here Sorrow lore here & here

👀 more to come perhaps 👀

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God do I love how Ame and Suvi’s conflict is representative of the wider conflict between Witches and Wizards. (Long ass post incoming)

First lets look at the conflict in Chapter 2 about trusting Sly’s predictions of the conclave compared to other Citadel diviners. Witches are about community and connection. Ame trusted Sly because he had a connection to Wren, no other diviners in the Citadel had Wren’s trust that we know of just Sly. Wizards on the other hand put their faith in institutions and hierarchies. If Sly’s predictions are contradicted by those of several other diviners with more influence in the system, then his predictions should be discarded. (Also keep in mind that Sly was relegated to obscurity because his predictions were largely about things that didn’t line up with the Citadel’s priorities)

So we get tension at the end of Chapter 2 because Ame (through Wren) has a connection to and trusts more in Sly as an individual than the Citadel’s diviners as an institution. Suvi on the other hand hears Steel say that a group of diviners might have contrary evidence to what Sly predicted and instinctively puts her trust in the institution over the individual.

As a result Suvi and Steel dismiss Ame’s concerns about Sly’s predictions until Ame gets so worked up about the issue that she takes drastic action to return to Toma and prepare. Of course Suvi is right to be upset with the manor in which Ame leaves, it’s incredibly reckless and could have lead to several civilians (and Eursalon!!) getting injured or killed. However she fails to see her and Steel’s roles in pushing Ame into immediate action. Steel never took Ame seriously, and Suvi largely agreed with her.

And now we get to Episode 25 and Suvi’s scathing tirade against Ame.

A big theme of this arc seems to be how both Witches and Wizards look down on one another. Steel has her line about Witches seeing Wizards as “devious, paranoid, and buffoonish,” while Suvi blows up on Ame for “that smart ass tone about Wizards.”

And you know what they’re right. Witches do look down on Wizards.

I find myself wondering how Ame, Witch of the World’s Heart and the steward of humanity, could NOT look down on Wizards. The Wizards of the Citadel may be the brightest minds humanity has to offer, but they use those gifts to fuel a seemingly endless war with Ruve and Gouthmai (a war that threatens the lives and homes of Eursalon’s family). The Citadel seems to glorify violence (remember in Chapter 1 when Suvi proudly displayed that she spilled blood on behalf of the Citadel?). We also know from Kalaya that over time the Citadel went from what was essentially a huge university, to a homogeneous and militarized society.

Thats without even mentioning how Steel herself proves the Witches assessment of Wizards correct! Steel concocts a plan for Suvi that is devious in its intentions, paranoid in its secrecy, and buffoonish in how it could undermind the meeting of the Coven and cost both Ame and Suvi their lives if discovered. While Suvi is lecturing Ame on judging Wizards she has unknowingly agreed to a plan that proves all of her assumptions correct.

Suvi is probably my favorite character in this campaign. Aabria absolutely BRINGS IT every session. I’ve no doubt that many of the things listed in this post crossed her mind and were intentional. After all, the Citadel is a defining part of Suvi’s identity.

Wizards exist in a world that does not take them seriously. We’re 25 episodes in and spirits and witches alike have constantly referred to Wizards in pejorative terms. It’s not hard to see how someone like Suvi, born in the thick of the world of Wizards would cling to the Citadel as the lone institution of the world that advocates for Wizards. Because Suvi is a wizard she is preemptively judged by nearly every witch and spirit in the story. So of course she’ll judge them too.

After all, wouldn’t you?

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I think this is a fascinating look at the board state as of episode 25, but I do have a few points of pushback! So we get tension at the end of Chapter 2 because Ame (through Wren) has a connection to and trusts more in Sly as an individual than the Citadel’s diviners as an institution. Suvi on the other hand hears Steel say that a group of diviners might have contrary evidence to what Sly predicted and instinctively puts her trust in the institution over the individual.

  1. Trusting Sly as an individual over the Diviners writ large is actually pretty textbook exceptionalism, which is deeply antithetical to Ame's stated domains of community and connection.
  2. At no point does Suvi dismiss or downplay Sly's claims (as evidenced by her insistence to Steel moments after her friends pop off that she has to go to the conclave or Ame will die - where is the dismissal?) and it's strange to characterize her agreement that speaking to more Diviners to get a broader picture of what they might be up against as anything other than praxis with regards to community values of openness to learning, collaboration, and trust in the expertise and experience of members of her community. (It's also a little wild that Suvi actually holding to tenets of community is often dismissed as brainwashing because her community is not trusted by the audience.)

However she fails to see her and Steel’s roles in pushing Ame into immediate action. Steel never took Ame seriously, and Suvi largely agreed with her.

  1. Again, it's ungenerous to paint Steel's response as callous. Ame fails to provide sufficient detail while asking for Steel's help, which is her prerogative and Steel doesn't force the issue, but that doesn't mean that Steel doesn't need those details. Remember, the Citadel is a high-accountability society, when Steel has to explain her actions to move 3 individuals out of the Citadel during an Imperial lockdown, she can't say "the witch had bad vibes and an anonymous source." So Steel does the legwork herself (and that takes time and she has other things to do including sleep and spend time with a family that had no idea if she was coming home from the fort alive) to vet Ame's story. And Suvi understood that. To paint that series of events as the wizards forcing Ame's hand is to once again paint Ame as not responsible for her own feelings and actions (a la "but the FOX blew up the transport hub" and "Ame didn't control the magic that threatened Suvi with a curse for grabbing her arm").

As for the rest, we'll see!

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Episode 25 memes!

A different side of Orima...

I swear to God Brennan is something happens to Roro!!!!

Eursulon rocking up at the end of the episode!

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Inspiration for the future WBN musical episode!

Feel free to add as you reblog! This is how I imagine everyone is feeling at the end of episode 22!

The Wizard, The Witch, and The Wild One (Taylor's Version)

For The Tortured Poet's Department I present my newest ideas!

Obviously Suvi!

Next!

I feel like this is Steel towards Eioghorain!

Idk if this is more Grandmother Wren or Ame... both? Both.

Now Stone and Steel as "Cassandra"! Especially with Stone being a Diviner originally!

And finally! In our Pre-episode 1 reunion this is Definitely all of our PCs!!!

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Inspiration for the future WBN musical episode!

Feel free to add as you reblog! This is how I imagine everyone is feeling at the end of episode 22!

The Wizard, The Witch, and The Wild One (Taylor's Version)

For The Tortured Poet's Department I present my newest ideas!

Obviously Suvi!

Next!

I feel like this is Steel towards Eioghorain!

Idk if this is more Grandmother Wren or Ame... both? Both.

Now Stone and Steel as "Cassandra"! Especially with Stone being a Diviner originally!

And finally! In our Pre-episode 1 reunion this is Definitely all of our PCs!!!

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