"Voting doesnt work because not enough people in my country will vote for MY version of communism. We need a violent overthrow of the government to MAKE this happen"
@captainjonnitkessler im stealing your tags because youre so fucking right
The best that I can tell, it’s primarily about remaining Pure.
Obviously, the people who think they’re too leftist to vote aren’t monolithic, so no one reason fits all of them. But there’s a clear trend among many of them that they see voting for someone who has done things they personally find to be sufficiently Impure—or, in some cases, voting at all within an Impure system—as being an act that will somehow harm them.
So they stand firm in their conviction that they mustn’t vote, and instead talk about how great it will be when we finally have a Pure system, with only Pure candidates…
And this mindset is one of the things that has consistently fucked serious socialist governments once they do gain power, is the thing. (Another of the things is the CIA but that's another conversation.)
Because if you are unwilling to try to build institutions that can fluctuate and evolve and potentially be used in ways that aren't true to your vision, you not only have to institute tyranny, you have to build your entire system around maintaining your tyranny forever.
And once all your other goals hinge upon retaining power forever, they become subordinate to it.
At which point there is no realistic future to the Tyranny Of The Proletariat other than the tyranny of you personally. Which means you are going to 1) liquidate your own peasants or whatever similar scenario arises in your context and later 2) be overthrown and leave no useful institutional legacy, because you founded it all on virtue-by-fiat.
The self-cannibalism of ideological purity is never pretty, but in the context of government it's particularly bad.
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- captainjonnitkessler's tags: #i have been getting so much of this the last couple of days and you know what's REALLY been getting me? #the idea that leftists don't have the numbers to vote in a progressive candidate #but they WILL have the numbers to overthrow the fucking government #like please. PLEASE engage with reality for FIVE fucking minutes #if you had the popular support and numbers to win Le Glorious Revolution you wouldn't NEED to revolt #you could just VOTE in the change you needed. because we live in a democracy! and i for one would like to keep living in one! #us politics
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I feel like I want to hand these people copies of "Interesting Times" by Terry Pratchett - one of the earliest books where he points out that the ultimate problem with a lot of People's Proletarian Revolutions is that ultimately the people in charge of them wind up realising they have the wrong proletariat. I mean, he also makes the same point in "Night Watch" as well, and I think it also gets raised in "Monstrous Regiment" too. But basically, it's a point Pterry made a number of times in a number of different books - the search for ultimate ideological purity and perfection is not going to change the world. The willingness to muck in and get your hands dirty, on the other hand, will.
Vimes had spent his life on the streets, and had met decent men and fools and people who'd steal a penny from a blind beggar and people who performed silent miracles or desperate crimes every day behind the grubby windows of little houses, but he'd never met The People. People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people. As soon as you saw people as things to be measured, they didn't measure up. What would run through the streets soon enough wouldn't be a revolution or a riot. It'd be people who were frightened and panicking. It was what happened when the machinery of city life faltered, the wheels stopped turning and all the little rules broke down. And when that happened, humans were worse than sheep. Sheep just ran; they didn't try to bite the sheep next to them.”
― Terry Pratchett, Night Watch