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Medea brings away nothing in her exile, save her brother’s limbs.

Atalanta wants to be a bear.

Not all tragedies are the work of the gods.

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For anyone unfamiliar with either Atalanta or Medea in Greek mythology, I’d recommend the skimming their Wikipedia pages as background for this fic:

And for anyone who’s just interested, here are the works I was primarily drawing on for this fic:

I did a fair amount of poking around other sources, but those are the highlights.

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hah! i started this fic over a year ago, but i did 7k words this weekend and now i’m done with a first draft! it’s got a long way to go as i iron out pacing and character arcs, but i’m very pleased with this.

(so, like, last year i got about halfway through the first scene of this fic and then shelved it for lack of inspiration. but then a few months ago, i was having a ‘what’s your favorite greek play?’ conversation with a friend. and i was too ashamed of myself to say ‘agamemnon,’ because i was afraid that would out me as extremely basic at heart. so i was like ‘i like ‘agamemnon’ but not the rest of the oresteia, so i’m gonna take ‘hippolytus’ for 2000 thanks.’ and then i was like. oh. hm. hippolytus. aha! that’s how i want this fic to go! and then this disaster followed. lol.)

 *hippolytus is legitimately my second favorite greek play. euripides and his hot takes are way preferable to, say, the eumenides, which eternally makes me want to flip tables.

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fozmeadows

on fanfic & emotional continuity

Writing and reading fanfic is a masterclass in characterisation. 

Consider: in order to successfully write two different “versions” of the same character - let alone ten, or fifty, or a hundred - you have to make an informed judgement about their core personality traits, distinguishing between the results of nature and nurture, and decide how best to replicate those conditions in a new narrative context. The character you produce has to be recognisably congruent with the canonical version, yet distinct enough to fit within a different - perhaps wildly so - story. And you physically can’t accomplish this if the character in question is poorly understood, or viewed as a stereotype, or one-dimensional. Yes, you can still produce the fic, but chances are, if your interest in or knowledge of the character(s) is that shallow, you’re not going to bother in the first place. 

Because ficwriters care about nuance, and they especially care about continuity - not just literal continuity, in the sense of corroborating established facts, but the far more important (and yet more frequently neglected) emotional continuity. Too often in film and TV canons in particular, emotional continuity is mistakenly viewed as a synonym for static characterisation, and therefore held anathema: if the character(s) don’t change, then where’s the story? But emotional continuity isn’t anti-change; it’s pro-context. It means showing how the character gets from Point A to Point B as an actual journey, not just dumping them in a new location and yelling Because Reasons! while moving on to the next development. Emotional continuity requires a close reading, not just of the letter of the canon, but its spirit - the beats between the dialogue; the implications never overtly stated, but which must logically occur off-screen. As such, emotional continuity is often the first casualty of canonical forward momentum: when each new TV season demands the creation of a new challenge for the protagonists, regardless of where and how we left them last, then dealing with the consequences of what’s already happened is automatically put on the backburner.

Fanfic does not do this. 

Fanfic embraces the gaps in the narrative, the gracenotes in characterisation that the original story glosses, forgets or simply doesn’t find time for. That’s not all it does, of course, but in the context of learning how to write characters, it’s vital, because it teaches ficwriters - and fic readers - the difference between rich and cardboard characters. A rich character is one whose original incarnation is detailed enough that, in order to put them in fanfic, the writer has to consider which elements of their personality are integral to their existence, which clash irreparably with the new setting, and which can be modified to fit, to say nothing of how this adapted version works with other similarly adapted characters. A cardboard character, by contrast, boasts so few original or distinct attributes that the ficwriter has to invent them almost out of whole cloth. Note, please, that attributes are not necessarily synonymous with details in this context: we might know a character’s favourite song and their number of siblings, but if this information gives us no actual insight into them as a person, then it’s only window-dressing. By the same token, we might know very few concrete facts about a character, but still have an incredibly well-developed sense of their personhood on the basis of their actions

The fact that ficwriters en masse - or even the same ficwriter in different AUs - can produce multiple contradictory yet still fundamentally believable incarnations of the same person is a testament to their understanding of characterisation, emotional continuity and narrative. 

So I was reading this rumination on fanfic and I was thinking about something @involuntaryorange once talked to me about, about fanfic being its own genre, and something about this way of thinking really rocked my world? Because for a long time I have thought like a lawyer, and I have defined fanfiction as “fiction using characters that originated elsewhere,” or something like that. And now I feel like…fanfiction has nothing to do with using other people’s characters, it’s just a character-driven *genre* that is so character-driven that it can be more effective to use other people’s characters because then we can really get the impact of the storyteller’s message but I feel like it could also be not using other people’s characters, just a more character-driven story. Like, I feel like my original stuff–the novellas I have up on AO3, the draft I just finished–are probably really fanfiction, even though they’re original, because they’re hitting fanfic beats. And my frustration with getting original stuff published has been, all along, that I’m calling it a genre it really isn’t. 

And this is why many people who discover fic stop reading other stuff. Once you find the genre you prefer, you tend to read a lot in that genre. Some people love mysteries, some people love high-fantasy. Saying you love “fic” really means you love this character-driven genre. 

So when I hear people be dismissive of fic I used to think, Are they just not reading the good fic? Maybe I need to put the good fic in front of them? But I think it turns out that fanfiction is a genre that is so entirely character-focused that it actually feels weird and different, because most of our fiction is not that character-focused. 

It turns out, when I think about it, I am simply a character-based consumer of pop culture. I will read and watch almost anything but the stuff that’s going to stick with me is because I fall for a particular character. This is why once a show falters and disagrees with my view of the character, I can’t just, like, push past it, because the show *was* the character for me. 

Right now my big thing is the Juno Steel stories, and I know that they’re doing all this genre stuff and they have mysteries and there’s sci-fi and meanwhile I’m just like, “Okay, whatever, I don’t care about that, JUNO STEEL IS THE BEST AND I WANT TO JUST ROLL AROUND IN HIS SARCASTIC, HILARIOUS, EMOTIONALLY PINING HEAD.” That is the fanfiction-genre fan in me coming out. Someone looking for sci-fi might not care about that, but I’m the type of consumer (and I think most fic-people are) who will spend a week focusing on what one throwaway line might reveal about a character’s state of mind. That’s why so many fics *focus* on those one throwaway lines. That’s what we’re thinking about. 

And this is what makes coffee shop AUs so amazing. Like, you take some characters and you stick them in a coffee shop. That’s it. And yet I love every single one of them. Because the focus is entirely on the characters. There is no plot. The plot is they get coffee every day and fall in love. That’s the entire plot. And that’s the perfect fanfic plot. Fanfic plots are almost always like that. Almost always references to other things that clue you in to where the story is going. Think of “friends to lovers” or “enemies to lovers” or “fake relationship,” and you’re like, “Yes. I love those. Give me those,” and you know it’s going to be the same plot, but that’s okay, you’re not reading for the plot. It’s like that Tumblr post that goes around that’s like, “Me starting a fake relationship fic: Ooooh, do you think they’ll fall in love for real????” But you’re not reading for the suspense. Fic frees you up from having to spend effort thinking about the plot. Fic gives your brain space to focus entirely on the characters. And, especially in an age of plot-twist-heavy pop culture, that almost feels like a luxury. “Come in. Spend a little time in this character’s head. SPEND HOURS OF YOUR LIFE READING SO MANY STORIES ABOUT THIS CHARACTER’S HEAD. Until you know them like a friend. Until you know them so well that you miss them when you’re not hanging out with them.” 

When that is your story, when the characters become like your friends, it makes sense that you’re freed from plot. It’s like how many people don’t really have a “plot” to hanging out with their friends. There’s this huge obsession with plot, but lives don’t have plots. Lives just happen. We try to shape them into plots later, but that’s just this organizational fiction we’re imposing. Plot doesn’t have to be the raison d’etre of all story-telling, and fic reminds us of that. 

Idk, this was a lot of random rambling but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately. 

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nianeyna

“fanfiction has nothing to do with using other people’s characters, it’s just a character-driven *genre* that is so character-driven that it can be more effective to use other people’s characters”

yes!!!! I feel like I knew this on some level but I’ve never explicitly thought about it that way. this feels right, yep. Mainstream fiction often seems very dry to me and I think this is why - it tends to skip right over stuff that would be a huge plot arc in a fanfic, if not an entire fanfic in itself. And I’m like, “hey, wait, go back to that. Why are you skipping that? Where’s the story?” But now I think maybe people who don’t like fanfiction are going like, “why is there an entire fanfic about something that could have happened offscreen? Is anything interesting ever going to happen here? Where’s the story?”

Yes! Exactly! This!!!

This crystallized for me when I taught my first class of fanfiction to non-fic-readers and they just kept being like, “But nothing happens. What’s the plot?” and I was so confused, like, “What are you talking about? They fall in love. That’s the plot.” But we were, I think, talking past each other. They kept waiting for some big moment to happen, but for me the point was that the little moments were the big moments. 

This explains so much about myself to me! 😭 I’ve been a big reader all of my life. I knew at a young age I wanted to get an English degree and become an editor. But then I found fanfiction, a little over ten years ago, and suddenly most regular fiction was too dry for me? I ended up dropping my English schooling after a year because there weren’t the same connections happening for me as there were in fic. I’m suuuper character driven. I’ll read the same character in a hundred different ships, in all of the different fic genres and tropes, aus or what have you, because I like to see how they adapt to those changes. Those “offscreen” moments are just as important, if not MORE important, to me.

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wilde-grrrl

This speaks to me so much! I’m in grad school rn and have been thinking about the fact that I DEVOUR fic but cannot get into “traditional” fiction unless I’m on break and *sit down* to read a book. Yet I was able to pick up a new Sarah Waters book and read it in two days (during term time!) because I was so invested. After reading this interesting post(s) I realized I like her writing so much because she is like fic! I’ve long recognized that she is one of the few published authors that write with character driven stories aka why I like her (and Emma Donoghue’s) writing. It’s also interesting that they are both women and also include lesbian relationships within their writing. The reason it’s so good tho (and how I try to sell her books to my friends) is that the gayness isn’t a THING it’s just incidental to being human female people. And that’s how fic bills it too –just being people and that’s why we read it and fall in love. Lots of thoughts on this –thanks for the post @earlgreytea68!

You’re very welcome! Honestly, I wrote this because I was trying to think through things in my own brain, but I feel like it also helped *me* make this huge breakthrough! I’d been having this very unsettled relationship with original writing and my difficulty getting back into it and I realized it was because I was treating it like a completely different genre. It really made me aware of what switches I’m pulling in my writing brain to make me move back and forth and no wonder I’m so creatively exhausted!

Anyway, I’ve really enjoyed reading everyone’s reactions to this post, they’ve been really interesting to hear about everyone else’s experiences and relationships to fic vs. “original” stories. I FEEL LIKE I FINALLY UNDERSTAND AFTER ALL THIS TIME WHAT @knackorcraft WAS TRYING TO TEACH ME, SORRY I’M SO SLOW!!

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knackorcraft

This is an incredible thread! We DEFINITELY need to talk more and finish that draft we started. ❤️

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almost two years after i started, i just finished my draft for the epilogue of ‘leave the day.’ (metadata indicates i began this fic mid-march of 2018). once i get the last chapters edited and up, it looks like it’ll be in the 130-140k range. phew.

i have finished school, lived in three states, and had two jobs since i started this fic. i am not now the person i was then. i might put together a fic notes later, but for now, i just, like, wow, wanted to get a little marker up to commemorate finishing a draft.

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Anonymous asked:

I'm sorry you're sad/ that someone said that to you, some people are just hateful. And I just want to say that your kat×riven fanfiction was actually the first piece I ever read when i was 18 and coming to terms with my sexuality, it was beautifully written and really helped me feel normal if that makes sense, it was a bad time for me but your words made my struggles lighter^^ I just want to thank you for sharing your writing/for helping so many of us and ultimately for making things better^^

hi. sorry i didn’t respond to this for forever, things are hectic and i wanted to actually sit down and think about what to say because your message means a lot to me (to everyone over the years who has sent me a nice note and i have not replied, it’s because i tend to hoard them like a very pleased but easily flustered dragon) — i’m happy that something i did helped you, especially with something that personal. at the end of the day, knowing that i helped someone makes /everything/ worth it. i’ve done a lot of thinking about life in recent years, and i think, for me, it comes down to the idea that at the end of the line what will matter is what i could do for other people. thank you <3

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Someone just honest-to-god left a homophobic comment on one of my fics on Ao3 and it’s just like...

Idk.

I’m too sad to be angry?

It’s a very different feeling than, like, getting yelled at in the street or in a bathroom. It’s much easier to not take it personally. So I’ll I’m getting is just this weird empty-heavy feeling.

I’ll probably report it as spam or something I guess...

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i loved the new star wars movie because for the rest of my life i can rest easy knowing that the odds are one in a million that i myself will ever make anything that aggressively mediocre

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