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Star Wars, DC, the Untamed, and my own random thoughts.
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jewfrogs

this is so mean but sometimes i see published writing and suddenly no longer feel insecure about my own writing ability. like well okay that got published so im guessing i dont have much to worry about

I have a friend who is an editor, and gets submissions of mostly poetry and short stories.

I have had a glimpse into her slush pile, and let me tell you, the contents were unbelievable and immediately disabused me of the notion that reading through submissions is in any way glamorous. People have the nerve to submit unhinged paranoid ramblings, fetish porn, and a seemingly endless supply of poems about masturbation.

I no longer feel like my fiction is somehow an imposition on the people who read it. It may be forgettable, but at least it isn't typeset to look like sperm.

Do not be afraid to submit your work. Your competition is not only worse than you think, it's worse than you ever imagined.

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silverhand

Do these three things to get to the top of the slush pile:

  1. The place has a style sheet. Use it. They say they want your MS in 16.5 point Papyrus italic with 0.8 inch margins all around, guess what you're doing before you send it off? Save As, reformat, send it. In the absence of a specific guide: Courier 12 pt (Times New Roman if you must), double spaced, align left, tab 0.5 at each new paragraph.
  2. Check the word count. Don't submit novellas to 2500 word short story venues. BTW, you format the MS in that old style above because the question isn't literal words. Courier 12pt double spaced gives you 250 words per page for typesetting purposes. 2500 words is 10 ms pages, 5000 is 20 pages, etc.
  3. Don't send your romance to Analog or your war story to Harlequin. If it's a cross-genre story, be sure there's enough of what the publication is focused on to interest them, but breaking through is hard if that's not something they usually do.

That's basically what every single editors' panel at every con I've ever been to has boiled down to. And invariably, someone tries to get up and argue with them, not realizing it's not a discussion.

Bonus tip: Don't be in any way cute in your cover letter. Just the facts/Luke Skywalker's message to Jabba the Hut in ROTJ.

Enclosed/attached is my story <Title> for your publication <Magazine>. It is x (rounded to the nearest 500) words. I can be reached at <email> (that you check regularly and isn't likely to dump things into spam) and <phone>.
(If submitting a hard copy: The manuscript is disposable. A SASE is enclosed for your response./A SASE is included for return of the manuscript and your response.)
Thank you for your consideration.

If submitting a novella length piece or greater, a brief and complete summary is appropriate.

In the midst of an interstellar revolt against an evil galactic Empire, vital weapon plans fall into the hands of a farm boy on the edges of the galaxy. With the help of an aging warrior from the Old Republic, and a smuggler with a dark past and his imposing alien copilot, the four set out to deliver them to the rebel forces but are instead flung into a rescue mission to save the beautiful princess who stole the plans as worlds are destroyed by the might of the Empire's weapon, the Death Star.
Captured by the Death Star on route to deliver the plans, they manage to escape the base with the princess, the old warrior sacrificing himself to make this possible. As the Death Star approaches the rebel base, they use the captured plans to stage a desperate final stand. In a fierce space battle of single-pilot ships over the surface of the moon-sized weapon, the farm boy manages to make the critical shot with an unexpected assist from the smuggler, destroying it.

Never under any circumstance put a cliffhanger into a query letter summary. There is no faster way to get the entire MS binned than doing that.

Happy writing.

PS "Top of the slush pile" means into the top 25% of manuscripts received. Three quarters of the submissions don't take the trouble to do even those three basic steps.

Now, that still means 25/100 submissions or 250/1000 submissions, but it still improves your odds and forms the basis for starting a relationship with the publisher for the next piece you send them.

PPS This is obviously about prose. Poetry certainly has its own submission rules, and I know none of them. If you're writing poetry, find out what they are.

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dduane

@silverhand's reply is right on.

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Why is it admirable for the twins to treat R2 like a real person and recognize his apparent sentience, but Anakin doing the same is him "not valuing the lives of clones"

Why is it a negative trait for ANAKIN to respect that R2 is a person too

Like, fuck it, I could draw parallels of "sacrifice human lives to save the droid that has the sensitive information" between That Episode of tcw and the ending of Rogue One/opening of ANH. Is it the same? No, Leia planned hers, while Anakin just didn't want to brainwash his friend into non-personhood, but in both cases, human lives are sacrificed for a droid that the main characters believe to be just as much of a person as any human.

Do we look at R2 in RotS, full of initiative and imagination and setting fires to save Anakin, and say "that's not a person?" Do we look at R2 in ANH, actively tricking a psychic human person (Luke) to go off and find Obi-Wan on his own, and think that's not a person? Do we nearly cry at finding and waking R2, old and tired and depressed on Takodana, and not think that's a person with feelings and memory and a sense of love?

We can talk about Anakin valuing R2 over clones, but let's not make it out to be Anakin valuing "a droid" over humans when we know that droid is a person.

(This is not an invitation for discourse. I know the arguments. I dislike them. The question is rhetorical. Do not clown on this post.)

This is one of those posts I 100% agree with but am like “something happened here and a bullet just whizzed over my head and missed me by a millimeter.”

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jackwolfes

thinking about that post of people assuming ao3 has an algorithm and also about how bonkers persistent the view is that ao3 is social media lite. like with startling regularity I get comments saying something along the lines of "it's probably weird to comment on a fic this old--" no it isn't!!!! this is an archive I am literally just assuming you searched for a selection of specific tags or sorted by kudos or looked back on my pseud or any other number of completely normal ways to use an archive site ?? kill the tiktok ghost in your brain and comment on old stuff it's NOT weird

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naryrising

Guess how many people contact us regularly to ASK for us to have an algorithm, go ahead. Because it's many. And I always take a little bit of enjoyment in explaining that no, we're not going to build a system to recommend fics to you based on your kudos, because for one thing that would be extra work, and for another thing that would require us to be tracking and using a lot more of your data than we want to. We actually do not want to monitor that people who liked Fic A also liked Fic B, or that people who like the tag "butt plugs" might also enjoy the tag "anal fisting", or whatever other nonsense seems to be the expectation these days. I already know enough (more than I'd love, in a perfect world!) about people's reading habits, and I don't want to have that knowledge deployed via algorithms on the Archive just because someone really wants an automated conveyer belt of content being streamed directly into their feed based on us extrapolating from their most commonly used tags or their most frequently visited works or whatever.

(I also do not want to imagine how many people would contact us to yell at us the second they got a 'bad' recommended fic. "I can't believe that you recommended this to me, you monsters!")

Anyway here's my favourite sentence to include in my answers: "We hope instead that users will take control of their own experience using the Archive, and choose for themselves what works they wish to view or not view." Apparently a novel view in this day and age.

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elljayvee

The thing that's become clear to me over the past few years is that many people are not good at constructing searches. Recently, someone in a fandom I don't even know was trying to find a particular thing and coming up with no fic; in less than 20 seconds I was able to hand over a list of more than 100 of that thing. This is not a stupid person! this is someone without a particular skill that I have, probably because for me it's a job skill -- it's something I do a lot. Not on ao3, obviously, but constructing effective searches is transferable.

I think a LOT of people don't have this skill. I always boost ao3 search tutorials when I see them for this reason! And if you DON'T have this skill, The Algorithm is so helpful. It's doing a lot of the heavy lifting for you. I get the appeal of that.

But ao3 is never gonna be that place, so instead I shall recommend: find some ao3 search tutorials, bookmark them, they will save your reading life many times. Also bookmark your favorite searches.

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lierdumoa

Speaking of people not knowing how to use AO3, take a look at this post I reblogged a little while ago: https://www.tumblr.com/lierdumoa/741225032412512256/

The OP posted this poll:

What is your favorite tag on AO3?
  • Angst
  • Fluff
  • Hurt/Comfort
  • Sexual Content/Smut
  • Romance
  • Humor/Crack
  • Slow Burn
  • Violence
  • Friendship
  • Family
  • Sports
  • Other

To be blunt, If you are looking for fic on AO3 using these tags ... you probably aren't very good at finding fic.

99% of AO3 authors who write romance do not put a #romance tag on their fanfic. They will instead tag it with the ship and with the specific romantic tropes that appear in the fic. If you search for romance this way, you are missing out on the vast majority of the romance fic on the archive.

99.9% of AO3 authors who write sports fic do not put a #Sports tag on their fanfic. They will put the name of the specific sport, in the context of an AU tag like #Alternate Universe - Football, or you will find sports fic under a specific sports fandom like #Hockey RPF. Maybe this has changed, but last I checked, the AO3 tag wranglers have not made #Sports an umbrella tag that shows results for all sports related tags.

If this is how you search for fic, you're missing out on a lot of great fic that fits these categories, but doesn't use these tagging conventions.

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Upon seeing this, I decided to add my own poll to the post, that I think better reflects how AO3's tagging system actually works.

What is your favorite type of tag for filtering search results on AO3 (excluding the obvious #ship name #fandom title)?
  1. canon denial tags like #fix-it or #[character name] lives
  2. porn kinks i.e. #tentacles #glory hole #dacryphilia
  3. plot tropes i.e. #amnesia #body swap #fake dating
  4. worldbuilding tropes i.e. #a/b/o #urban fantasy #AU: mafia #AU: soulmates
  5. label!character tags i.e. "trans!Jaskier" "bottom!Loki" "human!Lestat"
  6. tags indicating when the fic takes place i.e. #book 4 #season/series
  7. tags for hate-reading like #Riley bashing or #John Winchester's A+ Parenting
  8. fanfic genres like those listed in OP's poll
  9. more conventional genres like #horror #action/adventure #tragedy
  10. I don't look for anything specific; I just exclude tags I *don't* want to see
  11. there's a category of tags you forgot to include!
  12. show results

As you can see, I listed the kind of tags that I've actually seen authors reliably use.

I don't just assume that all the romance fic will have a romance tag on it. I look through a ship tag. When I find stories I like, I pay attention to what kinds of tags authors are actually using, and I use those tags to find similar fic.

Some fandoms have tagging conventions that only exist within those fandoms. For example, virtually every AO3 BtVS fanfic author who writes a fic set in season 6 puts a #Season/Series 6 tag on the fic. That's just BtVS. In other fandom communities, authors don't consider this a thing worth tagging. You just have to read fic summaries looking for phrases like "right after Dean got pulled out of hell" to figure out what season the story takes place in.

In the Transformers fandom, all most of the smut authors tag their smut #Sticky Sexual Interfacing, or sometimes just #Sticky (for sex between robots; I don't know how sex between a robot and a human is tagged in that fandom as it's a lot less common/popular than sex between robots). I have no idea why they call it that. All I know is you'll find more Transformers porn using this tag than you will using a tag like #porn or #smut.

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TL&DR You can't assume that people will categorize things the way you like to categorize things.

You have to actually learn a fandom community's preferred method of categorization, and then search according to their method, not your own. Otherwise, you're going to have a really hard time finding what you're looking for.

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kleefkruid

Oskars ancient Greek curse is that every day he wakes up convinced that this time he can totally walk on the drying rack

“500 notes? Ah, the indignity… defamation of my character…”

Oskar’s determination should inspire us all. Never give up on your dreams, buddy.

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newbie fic authors, shooting themselves in the foot: This fic is bad haha I suck at writing lol I am being mean to myself in the hopes that you will be nice to me but actually am dissuading anyone from even clicking on my fic because all I have done to advertise it is tell you why you shouldn't read it

me: I am King Big Dick of Fanfic Mountain and I have arrived in your fandom with the Express Intention of writing my Very Favorite Fics, which I will generously allow you to read. You're welcome.

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durbikins

oh yeah, with the new size limit for .gifs this thing can finally be posted

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what the fuck

I just….?

TREASURE THIS POST. IT ONLY APPEARS ON YOUR DASH ONCE IN A BLUE MOON I SWEAR

forget posting cringe to scare off Twitter folks, we just gotta make this appear to be the constant vibe here and we’ll be good skdjskksks

what the fuck did I just watch

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elgringo300

I felt like this after watching The Lighthouse

my new favourite movie

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totallytesco

what did i just watch

I’ve seen this so many times by now and I STILL do not have a single clue what’s happening here.

what did i just witness

new life cuts off a part of older life- creation and destruction are the rivals that can only dance when the other dances.

what did i just witness-

Oh my God this is a sign if it appears on your dash reblog it

Oh my God this is

a sign if it appears on

your dash reblog it

Beep boop! I look for accidental haiku posts. Sometimes I mess up.

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humunanunga

Enough of the trope where memory loss undoes the damage or the corruption or whatever. More content where removing memories just removes the context.

The tragedy of needing to grieve and not knowing what or who you lost or why. The angst of having trauma and being denied the awareness that it's trauma. The suspense of being different somehow and left to wonder how and when. The tension of knowing that something is off and you can't find where it hurts. The Adventure Zone gets it. Kingdom Hearts gets it.

There is an aching inside you and you don't know how it got there.

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arkodian

This is part of my ongoing Discworld jacket embroidery project. Of course Great A'Tuin has to be on there. And of course it has to be the biggest one of them all.

I'm going to put the finished product in my masterpost, but I'm so proud of the thing that I have to put it in an extra post beforehand. Enjoy!

Update!!!

Behold: the elephants! 😁

The turtle moves! Now it's just the "cargo" left. And the universe. Well.

Update 3: Why did I have to try single thread for the disc. Why. How did I ever think that was a good idea. This is taking aaaages.

I'd say never again, but I know myself too well...

Still trying to decide whether to outline the landmass with darker thread or not. It would make the lands more distinct - but it might also make it look more like a comic. If you have any thoughts on it, let me know. I'll only decide once I've finished the rest of the disc and that'll be at least a week, if I had to guess.

I finally had some time to continue and the disc is done! Now just some stars, planets, etc...

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arkodianart

My estimate is that this took about 150 hours. About half of that went into the disc because I discovered single thread embroidery.

And because I always think it's really interesting to see the back of the embroidery - bonus:

On to the next one! Maybe I'll do the luggage now.

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petermorwood

Wow..!

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labelleizzy

Fuckin HELL, bud. You're an embroidery 🪡 HERO. SPECTACULAR!!!

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This isn't very hard when you know some of the most genius strategies in human history were incredibly stupid, circumstantial events that led to victory by sheer luck of that strategy working.

Case in point: Tsun Zu's rival defended a city with 10 men against Tsun's army of hundreds by disarming his own soldiers, dressing them in plain clothes, INVITING Tsun's army to come in, and it only worked because Tsun knew the guy was an ambush master and thought "if we attack the city he's inviting us into, we will die." and left without even trying ON THE BASIS OF HIS RIVAL'S REPUTATION AND NOTHING MORE

Another example: Tsun Zu, on being told his soliders were out of arrows during a battle against a city across a river from them, had his men craft scarecrows, put them on a boat, send it out on a line, leave it there for half an hour, then pull it back in and used the arrows the enemy had fired at the boat to restock their own ammunition. It only worked because it was foggy and the enemy couldn't tell the difference between the scarecrows and actual soldiers.

Stupid things like that work INCREDIBLY WELL if the circumstances favor them, so you really don't need to come up with some multi-layered, Shikamaru-esque strategy. You just need to come up with a strategy you like for the characters involved, then write the circumstances (weather, environment, individuals involved) to favor it enough that it works.

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weaselle

unlike real life when writing you can always work backwards, too, which negates the need for genius (tho, like, normal smart helps)

so you can start with a thing like "nobody would expect an attack from underneath the castle!" and then design your castle with :

feature that allows this (catacombs from before the ancient cathedral was renovated into a full blown castle)

reason nobody would expect it (the renovators sealed off the catacombs, current occupants don't know the catacombs exist)

genius reason Our Great Hero thinks to make use of this (his common sense but deeply insightful assessment causes him to question where the rain water drains from the multiple terraced courtyards and grand balconies (the renovators did leave a drainage system that exits via the catacombs, which works so well that the current occupants never had reason to wonder about water drainage)

one or two additional things that help make it genius (Our Hero knows the castle used to belong to the original cathedral people, some of whom still live nearby and are bitter about losing the castle to the current occupants)

optional: additional improvised stroke of genius during the event (Our Hero finds current occupants legendary un-beatable foe [previous occupant's great grandfather] interred in catacombs and leads the invasion of the castle dressed as said legendary foe in his very recognizable armor that has clearly been sitting in a crypt for a hundred years.)

Note: the thing that makes this genius is that it succeeds, btw, so you write that everybody falls for it. If everybody saw through it right away, nobody would think it was genius, which is sort of how it works in real life too, there's a kind of survivor bias in the way we see strategic genius

This is exactly it. In the same vein, it's very easy to solve a murder that you committed (literarily).

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