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@queenmiriamele

Cat lover. Unapologetic feminist. historian. Daenerys and house Targaryen Loyalist. Ravenclaw. ATLA is still the best show ever.MInisterica. This is a chaotic bunch of things I like. Art found in desktop nexus. https://abstract.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/2519174/
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That night, Septon Eustace reports, Ser Criston Cole slipped into the princess’s bedchamber to confess his love for her.

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Mushroom tells a very different tale. In his version, it was Princess Rhaenyra who went to Ser Criston, not him to her. She found him alone in White Sword Tower, barred the door, and slipped off her cloak to reveal her nakedness underneath. “I saved my maidenhead for you,” she told him. “Take it now, as proof of my love. It will mean little and less to my betrothed, and perhaps when he learns that I am not chaste he will refuse me.” – Fire and Blood

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If y'all think my opinions of Rhaegar Targaryen are slanderous. Prove anything I say as a lie.

He was married.

He had children.

He cheated on his marriage.

He knew his mother was being raped.

He knew his father was unstable.

He knew Lyanna was betrothed.

He knew Lyanna was a child-woman.

He knew there was a war raging.

He knew Rickard and Brandon were murdered.

He knew his whole family was unsafe.

He did nothing to ensure the safety of his discarded wife and children.

He took the best fighters in the realm to Dorne to protect Lyanna leaving 16 Jaimie to protect his family.

Am I missing something in the text that absolves him of anything that I've stated as fact?

He was married. In a marriage of convenience, a fact his wife was also aware of.

He had children. Definetely true.

He cheated on his marriage. We don't know on what terms of sexual exclusivity Elia and him were.

He knew his mother was being raped. By his own father who was also the king of a feudal monarchy. Older men were also aware and did nothing.

He knew his father was unstable. Yeah, so did everyone else. It's possible the tourney of Harrenhall was originally intended to solve that by Rhaegar's request. Which would also stopped the rape situation.

He knew Lyanna was bethrothed. In an arranged marriage her family wanted. He also probably knew she was not happy about it. His mother had not being happy about her own engagement. The marriage didn't turn out well, as you seem to have noticed.

He knew Lyanna was a child-woman. Of the same age his own mother had married and given birth to him which surprised no one within his culture.

He knew there was a war raging. We don't know when he came to know.

He knew Brandon and Rickard had been murdered. We don't know when he came to know.

He knew his whole family was unsafe. False. His wife and children had been left safe in Dragonstone.

He did nothing to ensure the safety of his discarded wife and children. At what point are you referring? She was first left safe in Dragonstone and then he could do nothing to solve the semi hostage situation.

He took the best fighters in the realm to Dorne to protect Lyanna leaving 16 year Jaime to protect his family. Should he have taken one of them with him so there was parity or we take into account Elia was also protected by a whole army?

You are missing exactly all the context and nuance the text provides plus you are missing coherence. If Rhaena being maritally raped was bad and he should have done something why should a situation where Lyanna was gonna be maritally raped have been accepted by him?

And @queenmiriamele likes to conveniently forget that Aerys was the real head of House Targaryen. Aerys, not Rhaegar. The same Aerys who liked to watch people burn and rape his wife anytime he executed someone by fire. The same Aerys who was disdainful of the Dornish (who rejected his granddaughter Rhaenys by saying that she "smelled Dornish")

And Elia would have never agreed to Rhaegar trying to recreate Daemon Blackfyre.

I don't forget it. I don't see the relevance in this discussion.

And again, we don't know what Elia thought about this. She's a dead tertiary character with no PoV and all we actually know about her and Rhaegar's relationship was that it was "complicated". And Rhaegar having a bastard doesn't mean said bastard will make a rebellion.

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how can I politely and concisely tell you guys that I don't give a flying fuck about the sanctity of a fictional arranged marriage in a pseudo-medieval setting and that the glorification of the devoted wife sacrificing herself to the altar of the holy matrimony is not the feminist take you think it is

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Pls correct me if I am wrong, but Sansa is a freaking child in the books, man?? Maybe I am being too rigid, but bro, you want a 12 something girl to throw herself at 2 grown ass men who SA her. Are u fucking kidding me. I understand wanting Sansa to be less naive and use her smarts more, but there is no way you say a little girl seducing 2 grown men is some amazing girl power moment for her. Truly WTF. This is why I can't take so many supposed Sansa stans seriously. Sorry, but this take is misogynistic garbage. So downright annoying to throw "what a boring prude needs to be sexually appealing" allegations at a godamn kid. These people are very amusing and obtuse in how they view a relationship between a grown man and the child he is trying to groom as anything other than predatory despite the complexity of their dynamics. Wow these people are NOT reading her thoughts. That poor girl is getting constantly assaulted by creepy assholes whom she wants to get away from in her chapters and you want her to relish in it?? Is this the soft power people want her to have to be a mini cersei and be some sexy vixen completely at the mercy of how much the men around her want her completelytaking away her agency and reducing her entire role to a harmful stereotype of a woman attaining power in a patriarchal society?? How admiring the way some of you perceive power through a female character lense is fucking disturbing and irritating. I get that you want Sansa to be more active and defy littlefinger and take the reign of her life finally, which is appreciable and something many people want, but this ain't it.

Also "sexy-power" being limited power and not actual power is a theme across the books:

-Dany having sex with Khal Drogo doesn't give her actual power.

-Cersei's sex manipulation backfires so badly she's abused by a Kettleback and in jail because of Lancel's affair.

-Arianne's affair with Arys Oakheart ends up with her locked up in a tower.

If Sansa ever did something like this, it would end up badly for her. Do these people read the books?

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rbruja

En la Edad Media, en Europa había un grupo de mujeres que vivían solas, podían trabajar para ganarse la vida y moverse libres por la ciudad.

Les llamaban las beguinas y no eran monjas ni esposas.

Y tenían un estilo de vida revolucionario para la época.

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13th part of the bookscans of Al Andalus. Historical Figures, here's the previous part

Ibn Hafsun: the unredeemed rebel
There are historical figures whose lives go beyond what the most fantastic novel could be. This is the case of Ibn Hafsun, a rebel leader who, until the reign of Abd al-Rahman III, will keep the emirate and the Cordovan caliphate.
Muhammad I succeeded his father, Abd al-Rahman II, and since his accession to the throne the internal peace that al-Andalus had enjoyed until that time was broken. Toledo, with the help of Christian troops from the north, revolted, and after some initial successes, they were soundly defeated in the battle of Guazalete, with thousands of victims among the insurgents and his allies. The region of Mérida also rose under the command of Ibn Marwan al-Chillíquí, “the son of the Galician”, a muladí, to whom he submitted in first moment, and with which the emir will end up agreeing, maintaining this region a regime almost independent of Umayyad power. But it would be another muladí, the one who would raise the flag of rebellion in the mountainous areas from the south of al-Andalus, resisting the Cordoban forces for many years
Umar ben Hafsun was the son of a wealthy family. His father, a nobleman peasant, lived on the income provided by his possessions of Ronda. He was a muladí, let's say second generation, since his grandfather was the first convert to Islam in his family. They called him Cha'far al-Islamí, ““the new Muslim." Some Arab historians point out that the family descended directly from a Visigoth count, Alfonso.
Umar ben Hafsun was the eldest of two other brothers and always distinguished himself for having a very temperamental and impulsive character. One bad day he argued with a neighbor and the argument led to the impetuous young man killing him without mercy. Fearing the action of justice, his father, even disowning him, He sent a few of them to hide among the fragility of the mountains kilometers away from Ronda, in the same place where, years later, he would establish his headquarters. But that restless spirit was bored in those solitudes mountains and opted, in the company of some bandits, to carry out several blows by hand through the fields, until they captured him. It didn't come out at all badly, because the governor of Malaga, who knew nothing of the crime Ibn Hafsun had committed on the unfortunate neighbor, limited himself to giving him a sovereign beating.
In case things got worse, he decided to go to Africa. Once there he settled in the city of Tahart, where a compatriot who was tailor, took him as an apprentice. It was evident that the boy was not going to win life with the needle and fate wanted another Andalusian to pass through the workshop of tailor shop and struck up a conversation with Ibn Hafsun. They talked about the country and how, for a brave soul, it would be
easy to achieve great goals if he rose up in rebellion. -;You think, unhappy thing, that By handling the needle are you going to free yourself from misery? Go back to your country and wield the sword. You will be a fearsome adversary of the Umayyads and you will reign in a great nation. Something like that seems to have been said to him by the Andalusian traveler and it gave the tailor's apprentice something to think about. He decided to return home, take advantage of his father's protection. or take advantage of the protection of an uncle who was more tolerant than his father.
In the year 850 he returned and it was not difficult for him to gather around him a series of subjects who, like him, were willing to live outside the law. The environment was conducive to the designs of the future rebel. They frequented the southern districts the agitators and highwaymen, without the power center had enough strength to finish them off. Soon, he and his crew, established in an almost impregnable enclosure, perched on the heights of a rocky crag, the famous Bobastro, earned a reputation for daring and brave men, carrying out looting operations on the rich towns of the plain. So many blows of the hand ended up awakening the restlessness of Córdoba who sent an expedition under the command of one of the best generals of al-Andalus, Hashim ben Abd al-Aziz, who managed to get the rebel. Ibn Hafsun agreed to march to Córdoba and place himself at the service of the emir, and for a time, he belonged to the army, distinguishing himself in various actions of war, but that life of discipline on the one hand, and the limitations of citizen life for another, were not made for him. To this we must add the contempt that high court dignitaries felt for Muslims of recent conversion, which led to a discussion with the prefect of Córdoba. Ibn Hafsun fled to his Bobastro, in
those moments guarded by an Umayyad officer. He evicted him, he appropriated of his concubine and, as soon as his arrival was known, the crowd that had always accompanied him began to gather. Now, more than ever, he was determined to emancipate himself from Umayyad power and create an independent "principality".
They resumed the action, continued with the robberies and their good fortune made that several towns fell into their power: Auta, Mijas, Comares and perhaps the important stronghold of Archidona. Around the year 886 he helped another rebel like him that had become strong in Alhama, besieged by the Cordoban forces at command of the emir's son, al-Mundhir, who twice rejected the departure of the defenders of Alhama. But, after two months of siege, when the chances of success were in favor of Córdoba, al-Mundhir received the news of the death of his father and he had to leave to take over power, raising the siege of the city.
Al-Mundhir might have ended Ibn Hafsun's nightmare if he had not had such a short reign. Enterprising, brave and generous, the Umayyad prince died in just two years, in dramatic circumstances and so strange.
Meanwhile, Ibn Hafsun was making a name for himself, moving away from his image of robber. Now he was establishing himself as a politician and as a champion of the oppressed. Al-Mundhir was busy receiving the oath of allegiance and in thebcelebrations that were celebrated for his ascension to the emirate... and the rebel of Bobastro, a good orator, inflamed the spirits talk-
ing to free themselves from the oppressive yoke of the Umayyads, which overwhelmed them with taxes and despised all those who were not Arabs or Muslims always. His speech was very well received everywhere, especially among the muladíes, who saw in him their natural leader. There was no longer any talk other than Ibn Hafsun throughout the mountains, of his respect for women, of his sense of the justice that repressed any mischief or violence, of his respect for those who fought at his side. He had invented some military decorations, consisting of gold bracelets, which he gave to those who had fought with courage, in the middle of a solemn ceremony... He was already behaving like a true lord. At the same time, its area of influence was increasing, and his domains grew. He took Priego and reached Cabra. He took over the castle of Iznájar and left it in the hands of his supporters. It was becoming a real headache for the emirate.
Al-Mundhir went out to fight him a year after his accession to the throne. The Cordoban forces recovered the castle of Iznájar and the rebels wereb evicted towards Lucena, but these successes did not put an end to IbnvHafsun's activity. In the spring of 888 the emir, in person, besieged Archidona, captured the representative of Ibn Hafsun, another muladi, who ended up crucified among a pigband a dog. The city surrendered and its leaders ran the same luck, as well as other rebels faithful to the cause of Bobastro.
Al-Mundhir planned to deliver the final blow in the rebel's citadelband established his war camp at the foot of the imposing castle. Did the muladí got scared
seeing the Córdoban troops at the gates of his fortress, or did he believe that he would not have sufficient capacity to withstand a long siege? We will never know, but Ibn Hafsun entered into talks with the emir, promising to surrender whenever he and his family were offered privileged treatment in Córdoba. Al-Mundhir must have thought that this approach of his enemy was sincere and he wrote a letter in which he was promised immunity and total respect, sending it to him along with fifty mules to transport his belongings. But the temptation was stronger than the supposed good intentions of Ibn Hafsun. As the convoy ascended toward the steep Bobastro, the rebel who had arranged to stay with the emir, fled at night, caught up with the convoy and drove away the horsemen who accompanied him, requisitioned the cavalry and appropriated the gifts that al-Mundhir sent to the rebel's family.
Seeing himself mocked, the emir renewed the siege and swore not to move from there until he finished with Ibn Hafsun, but a few days later, al-Mundhir fell ill. made come from Córdoba to his brother Abd Allah to maintain the siege, but the arrival of the prince coincided with the death of the emir. The throne passed to Abd Allah, since the deceased had no children of age to succeed him. The emiral troops wanted continue the siege, burying al-Mundhir there, but Abd Allah did not seemed to agree with this idea, and in the end his opinion prevailed. He carried the body of his brother to take to Córdoba, and the siege of Bobastro was gotten up. The new emir requested Ibn Hafsun to refrain from harassing the funeral procession, and that his desire, as ruler, was to maintain good relations with him. Honored as an enemy to be reckoned with, the rebel
behaved like a gentleman respecting the troops who were retreating accompanying al-Mundhir's corpse.
Under Abd Allah, Ibn Hafsun's activity was incessant, making use of any means to maintain their domains, which extended from the south of Córdoba to the Mediterranean. It will not hesitate to put on, for short periods of times, in the service of the Umayyads, to later walk away without caring about sacrificing the hostages he has left with them. On other occasions he will ask for help from Muslims from North Africa... Many times he will be the winner and many times will be defeated. In 891 he suffered perhaps his most notorious defeat at the hands of Abd Allah, partly because some of the muladi's troops abandoned him. He lost the majority of the places that considered him as their lord and had to make a pact with Córdoba. The pact was maintained for a short time and in 892 it was already, again, in war footing, Re-conquering for him the squares of Archidona, Elvira and Jaén, to recover its former power, it only lacked the fortress of Poley and the population of Écija. However, in the six years that followed these rebel successes, Ibn Hafsun was more or less still, and even Elvira lost.
It seemed that, winning or losing, the emirate could never end that dissidence, but a personal decision by Ibn Hafsun was going to turn the situation. The rebel returned to the faith of his elders, he turned to Christianity and he had himself baptized with the name Samuel, while his wife took the name of Columba. The Mozarabs of Córdoba celebrated this decision in style, but among the muladíes, some sincere converts to Islam, they did not like it at all. Part of hisbfaithful turned their backs on him and refused
to obey him. This conversion had such an impact that even a pious Maghrebi warrior led a small troop of fighters for the faith who went to al-Andalus to fight the renegade.
He turns to the Christians, who do not trust him, and tries withbnewly established monarchies in North Africa... and of course keep going playing "cat and mouse" with the emiral troops. But the death of the emir Abd Allah and the ascension to the throne of his grandson, the future first caliph of al-Andalus, Abd al-Rahman III, will completely change this state of affairs. The failures of Ibn Hafsun were multiplying. Slowly but surely, Abd al-Rahman was recovering, one by one, the rebel strongholds that, day by day, were more isolated. Only his children remained by his side and were in charge of continuing maintaining the insurrection in the mountains of Córdoba and Málaga.
In 914 a cruel drought struck the entire country. Several epidemics were declared and famine appeared with its aftermath of countless deaths. Nor Abd al-Rahman III nor Ibn Hafsun were in a position to fight. Furthermore, the rebel was sick and seemed to have forgotten the care earthly, he only cared about being right with God, the God of the Christians, and locked up in the church of Bobastro, he dedicated himself to exercises of pity imploring the eternal salvation of his soul. His life was extinguished inbSeptember of the year 917, and he was buried as a Christian. His death saddened the Mozarabs and delighted the Muslims who celebrated it with actions of gratitudes.
Ibn Hafsun was never completely defeated and with a program of action and governmentbless erratic, perhaps he would have achieved great things. It cannot be denied that he was brave, audacious and reckless on many occasions and that Abd al-Rahman, sobgenerous with the defeated, he would have done well to respect their remains. When Ibn Hafsun died, he took control of Bobastro, he will have them unearthed and displayed in Córdoba as a trophy, in a gesture inappropriate for a character as great as him.
How did Bobastro end? Well, as was predictable. Ibn Hafsun left four sons and a woman. The eldest, Cha'far and his sister Argéntea, seemed to be Christians, while the other three, Sulayman, Abd al-Rahman and Hafs,bcontinued to be Muslims. Only Cha'far had inherited some of the spirit combative of his father, but the others would soon be fighting among themselves.
Cha'far, before the first victories of Abd al-Rahman III over the ancient strongholds who had belonged to Bobastro, requested a truce. It was granted and they waited events. Abd al-Rahman, the third son of Ibn Hafsun, was established in Ojén, when the Cordoban troops reduced it. He asked for forgiveness and was transferred to Córdoba where he ended up earning a living as a calligrapher.
Sulayman and Cha'far did not get along and the latter was murdered in Bobastro on October 30, 920, perhaps at the hands of his brother or at his instigation. Sulayman took up his position in Bobastro and Abd al-Rahman III continued to surround the stronghold through the capture of all the surrounding towns. In 927 he achieved to get rid of Sulayman
who died in an ambush. His corpse was decapitated and his head sent to Córdoba.
Only Hafs remained, who took possession of Bobastro for the fourth time, but without great hopes of being able to retain it for long. After six months of trying to resist, Hafs wrote to the monarch offering his surrender and the abandonment of that eagle's nest that was the fortress of Bobastro. In January 19, 928 the white flag of the Umayyads waved over those rocks. Hafs and the remaining members of his family were sent to Córdoba, but since they had surrendered without fighting they were not punished. Hafs was even able to enlist in the Umayyad army. Argéntea professed in a convent and, over time, she would become a martyr, condemned for apostasy and for insult the official religion.
It had taken Abd al-Rahman III ten years to take over Bobastro after the death of Ibn Hafsun. The peaceful conquest of this enclave of so much significance had an enormous impact throughout Spain, both in the Muslim as in the Christian and, also, in North Africa where the rebel was well known. Abd al-Rahman III wanted to set foot in that cursed place of rebellion, which had caused so many troubles to his predecessors and to him, and together with his son, Prince al-Hakam, who was only thirteen years old, ran, to the last corner of the Bobastro fortress, with the legitimate pride in having been its definitive conqueror. Andalusia remained completely pacified.
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Joffrey never loved Sansa and he didn't die with her name on his lips, unlike Rhaegar

-Lyanna died with Rhaegar's roses in her hand, something that Sansa would never do with Joffrey's roses or gifts. Lyanna wasn't an hostage, unlike Sansa

-Rhaegar is not portrayed as a monster in the books, unlike Joffrey. It doesn't matter how much you'all are trying to change canon to fit your nonsensical narrative

-Sansa is not a parallel to Lyanna, get over it

-If you want a good parallel with Rhaegar and Lyanna, read Jon and Ygritte's chapters and Bael the Bard tale

-If you want to understand Rhaegar and Lyanna better as characters, read Daenerys and Arya's chapters

Sansa stans, stop talking about Rhaegar and Lyanna, you don't know shit about these two and Grrm will never acknowledge your bullshit

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If you ever feel delusional and stupid, just remember that asoiaf fans are using this FANFICTION quote for their anti Rhaegar and Lyanna agenda and they also think this bullshit is from the books.

I promise you, in the CANON BOOKS, Oberyn never spoke that way about Rhaegar and never slutshamed Lyanna :)

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love and light to everyone but if i see one more post that’s like “the point of asoiaf is that feudalism is BAD” i’m going to rip out my hair and start eating dirt and worms. like yes, it is bad. yes, monarchies are bad. yes so true it’s annoying when people ignore all of that and focus on who they think deserves the throne more. but that’s not the point—that is the premise? it’s the beginning of the exploration and deconstruction. functionally this system is rigid (specifically in terms of gender and class) and horrifically violent: so what it’s really like to live in it? to try to be a hero, a knight, to be a lady in a world where your body belongs to your family, your lord, your order? is it possible to be a good person in a hierarchal world like this, with such vast power imbalances woven throughout it and every relationship and interaction that you have informed by that? how do you navigate that imbalance in order to have meaningful relationships—can you every truly do it? and who decides what is good? how do you know if it’s truly right or it just felt right because it’s what you wanted to do? what about the people who have no name, no family, no order: what happens to them? don’t they matter? what if in a lifetime of looking the other way or actively causing others harm, you do a few things—maybe one thing—that’s objectively good: does it mean anything? does it matter, even if no one ever knows? what if the best thing you ever did broke every vow you made, every law that governs your society? how do you live with that dissonance?

what’s it like to be a ruler, to be a king or queen—is it possible to be a good one in such an unequal system? to wield power justly? who decides what is just? who decides who should rule? at which point does the amount of power someone can have cross the line into too much? is it when you stop trying to figure out how to use it correctly and worry only about how to keep it? if holding onto it costs you everything, your family and all your relationships, is it still worth it? what if having that much power available is necessary to the survival of your people, maybe even your world, but when it’s misused the carnage left behind is beyond articulation—is it still worth it? are the lives it saves worth the lives it took? how do you measure that? who carries the weight of that choice and how? how do you live with it? how do you go on living in a world that can be harsh and cruel and unfair, a world where your good intentions and your personhood seem to matter very little in the face of someone else’s greed or when compared to the yoke of your duty? and the questions never stop and the answers when and if they come are rarely easy, but the point is that you keep asking and keep trying because that’s what it means to be alive lol

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“I think all literature has ideas. […] Ideas about the human condition, and love, and God, and sex, and all of these things are ideas. But the truth is, fiction is not a good vehicle for presenting abstract ideas. I mean, non-fiction, journalism, my profession, in which I had my professional degrees, is actually a better way to explicate if you have an idea about some political or scientific method. That’s why scientific journals are full of research reports, they're not full of science fiction stories. What fiction is good about is presenting emotion. Fiction is good about replicating the human experience, and the human heart in conflict is central to all of that. If the story you're telling me doesn't have characters in it that I care about in a situation that's going to engage my emotions, I'm not gonna find it very interesting.”

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I truly believe the Rhaegar visceral hate begun with Reddit dudebros and y'all just bought it. Of course Reddit dudebros are gonna latch onto Bobby BD Baratheon who was so cool for butchering this annoying blond twink all women wanted to bone and then for becoming king in his place. Who are they gonna stan? The emo fashionable prince that plays the harp and gets all the women just by flashing his violet eyelashes? No. That one was for the girlies. What happened to this fandom I swear

We stan Robert because he slaughtered a Pedophile who publicly humilliated and abandoned his wife and children to their deaths and kidnapped and raped a child , causing a civil war that killed tens of thousands , all because of his Messiah Complex that told him he had to father three prophetic children .

He was a worthless monster of a faggot and Robert hated him almost as much as I did so I prefer him .

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I can't believe everyone's clapping for Iran now. Like, do you think the regime that kills their own citizens for protesting or even not covering their hair, that was Al-Assad's major support, that is actively trying to exert his power all over the region is somehow the better guy, that they actually care about palestinians' lives?

You all are like "but Israel attacked embassies". Yes. And Iran helped with the October's attack. Iran gave weapons and training for an attack they knew wouldn't change anything in the status quo but would escalade hostilities. Iran has been on this escalade from the beginning. They also wanted this. They wanted popularity in the Middle East and they were ready to sacrifice all the palestinians it took.

Spare me with the "but western hypocrisy". Yes, western goverments are hypocrites. So are all the other governments. So are YOU. I'm still waiting for all those that repeatedly call for a Free Palestine to write a post for a Free Sahara but most of you would need to google what's that.

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