Analysis Notice
You guys might have noticed that my analysis is late! It’s still coming, just slowly. My medication dose was upped so my fatigue also went up as a result. Hopefully, December’s analysis will come out on time.
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Chapter 83 Thoughts
After a few days, this is finally out! I had to take a lot of time to actually discern intentions, for this one. And I may have spent way too much time thinking about what could happen, in future chapters.
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Anonymous asked:
I'm currently rereading Noragami,and there's one thing I can't quite make sense of (I'm sorry if this has been answered before). When Kiun tells Kazuma that in the case of a god reincarnating, that Hafuri would be 'lost entirely', I took that to mean the Hafuri would die. However, Nana is clearly alive. Is that due to her being sealed in the box, or would she have reverted to pre Hafuri form (like would Kazuma be a nail again if Bishamon had died)?
this is honestly a very tough question and i’ve been ruminating on it for several weeks, so i’m gonna go ahead and hit publish, secure in the knowledge that someone in the noragami fandom is smarter than me and will have a groundbreaking theory to add.
as for my own answer, i’d venture a guess that nana’s “hafuri-ness” is gone, but only to arahabaki. i’m having trouble remembering if he unnamed her, or if she was forcibly unnamed after he reincarnated and she was sealed. it’s such a bizarre case, though, because “lost entirely” certainly suggests death. however, kiun also could have meant that shinki would be unable to become a hafuri for the same god ever again. the rules about hafuri are still pretty malleable–for instance, can kazune become yato’s hafuri, despite kazuma being bishamon’s? idk!!!! adachitoka please talk about hafuri more, the people are hungry
The words in this panel are similar, but between Fast-Moon’s translation and the Official version, they’re interpreted differently.
Personally, I believe that the official translation states it in a way that makes a little more sense:
He’s mentioning the story of Arahabaki and Nana. Arahabaki lost everything when he was executed, and that included Nana, because she was sealed away as punishment for attacking the sun. There’s nothing to really indicate the loss of a hafuri upon a deity’s reincarnation.
It may very well differ from the manga, but in the anime--way back in the Bishamon arc--Bishamon requests that Kazuma stay with her in the next life, should she die. This implies that he would still be there when she comes back.
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i love the kazuma & yato flashbacks. kazuma is like “[yato] is truly the embodiment of aramitama… a violent spirit… so cold and unfeeling…” but yato gets 3 drinks deep and he’s off the shitz. goofy bastard
ok on a serious note, there is something so compelling about magatsukami yato, and that scene added to his complexity. i know there’s probably some better meta about yato & his time as a god of calamity, but whatever.
up until that point, we had seen yato at two different points in his life: as a child, and shortly before leaving Father. we know that yato was similarly cheerful & eager-to-please as a child, but teenage(?) yato paints a far more somber, troubled picture.
and personally, i think kazuma’s loyalty to bishamon severed one of the last strings tethering him to his father.
Anonymous asked:
(Tsukuyomi theory) What if it were Yato himself who cut ties with his past?
Hi there, anon! Thanks for your question. Following the Tsukuyomi theory, I gave this quite a bit of thought, and discussed with my friend and Tsukuyomi theorist, @naansni. And we both reached the same conclusion of it not really being practical for him to have done so.
The bare basics of the Tsukuyomi theory is that upon newly reincarnating, the moon deity was whisked away by Father, who molded him into a God for his own wish, who he gave the name ‘Yaboku’.
Gods who reincarnate lose the memories that they had as their previous incarnation. They’re the same God--but as people? They’re different. Environment and experiences define who they are in the moment, so no two deities would ever be the same unless they have very similar upbringings.
So what point would there have been to sever his own ties, if he would forget everything, anyway?
Noragami establishes two known types of severances: Emotional and Memory. With emotional severing, you simply break a relationship; the two parties still ‘know’ each other, but their impressions are reset to neutral, in a way. (i.e, between Mitsumi and her classmates.)
With memory severing, the person’s memories of the other party are wiped. (i.e, between Yuusuke and Kofuku, and Shiho and Yato.) I’m assuming that usually, both parties are affected. It’s hard to say in all cases, because with Mitsumi, she wasn’t close with any of her classmates to begin with.
And, we don’t even know if such an ability works on Gods, either. Kofuku was ultimately unaffected after Yato severed Yuusuke’s ties. (Shuuishuu, Ch. 1) And Yato was still aware of Shiho after cutting her ties with him. (Shuuishuu, Ch. 5) Basically, there’s still a lot we don’t know when it comes to severing a person’s ties, or who is and isn’t affected.
But I think it’s safe to say, there’s no feasible way that Yato could have severed his ties to his past.
Anonymous asked:
I'm not the anon with DID but my mom has OSDD so i know a significant bit about that—no memory gaps/amnesia is a main thing so maybe a type of OSDD could apply to Yato instead? as another hc? (Of course all the other hcs are valid & interesting too and I still can't say I'm an expert about all of this, just throwing in my own thoughts 🙈)
Now, that's possible! As I said, he does show some symptoms, just not the defining characteristics of DID. So that's a little more realistic/likely, I think.
Noragami Ch. 83 Spoilers
OP requested no one repost these, but I will provide a link to the original post.
Anonymous asked:
so this is pretty random but me & a friend were talking about yato when suddenly a hc/theory was brought up that yato could have dissociative identity disorder? and since i have D.I.D i was, well suddenly i could see all the ways it actually ~could~ verily apply to yato's character (but a part of me could also just be projecting) 🤷 more food for thought?
It’s an interesting theory! However, there a few points to this disorder that go against what the canon tells us: Yato has done some bad things in the past, as Yaboku, under the instruction of his father. Having DID implies that these two states are completely separate--as in, identities.
I’m not claiming to know how the disorder works, especially since I don’t have it or know anyone who does. But I did check out multiple sources, and it all seems to boil down to there being two separate identities, memories, and patterns of behavior. Often, as a result of childhood trauma. And yes, Yato did suffer that--to a great deal. That is clearly evident upon observing his inability to socialize accurately, as well as mannerisms.
But Yato knows full well what he did while he was named Yaboku; there was no gap in memory, or separation of the two identities present. He does have moments where he slips into a different state of mind via dissociation, but this is more due to his trauma than anything else, I believe.
Yato acknowledges that he committed his past actions. He doesn’t like to talk about it, but he is fully aware of it. And personality-wise, there wasn’t much of a change. He was still Yato, just much more miserable, with less freedom, and less experience in dealing with things.
Basically, I do think he suffers symptoms of dissociation, but I personally wouldn’t say it’s Dissociative Identity Disorder.
Naturally though, a headcanon is a headcanon, and you’re free to believe in the idea, if you’d like.
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This is my personal ranking. No particular order, really. @yatogamis-shrine
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Unofficial vs. official translation of the line about the girl Father saw Izanami as in the Underworld
Two translations with two wildly different meanings with way different connotations 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Here’s the original line.
The word different between the two is “Omoibito” (想い人), which is literally “person in your thoughts”, but has the connotation of “loved one”. “Pock mark” is also more accurate than “freckles” for “Abatazura” (あばた面).
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Just some clarification since the post is back on my dash:
I always took the first panel with the line “I wonder if he saw the person he was thinking about…” to be Izanami asking herself if he saw her as the “person he was thinking about” - as in, if that was how she appeared to him - not as her literally wondering if he ever saw the Pockmarked Girl again.
That’s why the official translation threw me off when I first read it, and raised a lot of questions that were totally different from the ones I had when I read the unofficial. I wonder if any of ya’ll also took the unofficial line like that too or if it’s just me. 🤔
That Izanami is wondering if Father saw her as his beloved is a legitimate concern, because the first and the second sentence are linked with a soft “but” (けど) that got lost in the translations. I could read it as “Even if he said I was a girl with pock marks I wonder if she was his loved one”. Aka “he was cold to me, even if I had her appearance”. Perhaps he knew that the girl was waiting for him outside.
Father heard her voice.
Was he freed by it? Not sure.
If Fujisaki is not lying, he wasn’t a sorcerer back then, at least not powerful like now. He acquired his godlike powers after leaving Yomi.
Since a human escaping from Yomi is outrageous from a god point of view and gods seem not aware of it, not even considering it possible, it means that when it happened nobody noticed it. It wasn’t a striking breakout, so I guess it wasn’t like Ebisu’s.
Chapter 82 Thoughts
Time to crack this egg!! Feels like it’s been so long, with last month’s chapter having released so early. But that’s alright! More time to think about it. I didn’t write this in one sitting, so I hope I didn’t miss anything. If I did, let me know!
Notice
Hey guys, I’ll queue this for the afternoon, but this is just a small notice that I’m going out today--so my analysis will be out either late tonight or tomorrow. Just a heads up!
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The reason we didn’t get spoilers for 82-2 is because Yato was in disguise.
At work right now, full chapter available later. But this is a mostly silly one, if you couldn’t tell.
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Anonymous asked:
Hello! I just wanted to ask you, are we getting a chapter this month or was it canceled at the last minute or something?
I’ve gotten half a dozen panicked messages like this today and I don’t understand why. The release date of the next chapter is explicitly given at the end of the previous one. Last month the chapter came out a few days earlier than normal because of the May holiday week in Japan, but it’s back to its usual release date of the 6th this month, which has not happened yet.
Guys, please don’t go to fast-moon over chapter releases. Sometimes, spoilers just don’t happen. It depends on if the source (usually a user on weibo) posts them or not.
If the chapter doesn’t release, not even the translator will know until the magazine actually comes out–and that’ll be the same time you’ll find out. I know your intent wasn’t to bother, but when it’s more than even a handful of people going to ask, it can be a little bothersome.
I know, the hiatus has probably given the fandom a little scare about regular release dates, but even if there ends up being another hiatus–not saying there will be, just if–there’s not much you’ll be able to do.
Just please wait until the actual release date (monthly on the 6th in Japan, and the 5th out west because time zones are a thing) before you start worrying.
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The Loophole(TM)
Aka me avoiding working on Part 2 of my Father Meta bc idk how to approach it.
If you’re anything like me, you’ve been thinking about this ever since Chapter 80 dropped. And if you’ve been thinking about it, there’s one thing we’re all undoubtedly scratching our heads over:
what’s the loophole?
Well, here’s a singular theory. Elaboration under the cut.
Thanks for your super informative posts! I’ve been mulling over this question for a bit, and I’d like to know your opinion: Why was Tenjin the first to offer his guidepost for the Covenant? Surely he knew the risk and the high cost if his gambit failed—after all, he wasn’t shocked when Tsuyu was beheaded, devastated but not shocked. What is his connection to Yato? Unlike Ebisu and Daikoku, he doesn’t seem to have any real personal history and motivation to go that far for Yato and Yukine.
That’s a good question! Tenjin kind of answers this--he explains that when he saw Yato stand up to Heaven the way he did, it moved him to take action. Tenjin was once a human; he has more compassion and pity for others than the average God would. He has more of an idea between right and wrong, and while he’s not a fighter, I think he knew that the circumstances weren’t exactly fair. There’s only so much wrong that a person can witness before they feel the need to intervene, I think. He knew that Yato was right, to an extent. So maybe it moved him to act, in that case.