Either you're frolicking in this field with me or you're frolicking in this field against me.

This might not make sense but in general i think the whole "fiction doesnt affect reality" logic is really painfully neurotypical. like people with ptsd get triggered by sensitive media. ppl with adhd might have to focus their lives around fictional media and work around that to get things done. psychotic people have delusions based on fictional content. even if youre neurotypical you still cry and get angry/etc about tv shows and books...anti antis are just so dedicated to using that narrative to back their pedophilic yaoi ships that they ignore literally all of this

Nobody says fiction doesn't affect reality, they say it's nuanced and that abusing other people over the fiction they consume doesn't help prevent sexual abuse. Emotional reactions to a piece of content doesn't mean the content is bad. Hope that helps. <3

i was going to put this under a read more but i don’t have that many followers and the ones i do have are normal so like. the lack of critical thinking skills it takes to say shit like “your ships don’t reflect who you are as a person or your morals” is astonishing. bc it without fail is always about ships that involve like. inc*st or p*dophilia. as a victim of one of these literal crimes i’m going to say that there isn’t a difference between real p*dophilia and inc*st and fictional p*dophilia and inc*st. try as you might to make yourself feel better about liking ships that involve things that hurt real people you’re still a fucking weirdo no matter what. 

Your ships of fictional that feature abuse of any sort don't reflect who you are as a person, including incest or csa. You can write about abuse without being an abuser. On the other hand, posts like this exist for no reason other than perpetuating abusive harassment.

if you think ch*ld p*rn doesn't harm anyone if it's fictional please take your dumb ass elsewhere

Fictional "child pornography" doesn't exist. CSEM is the visual depiction of the sexual exploitation of real and living minors. Calling anything else csem contributes to the victimization of kids.

obsessed with how recipes are expressly banned in ao3′s terms of service but underage is a main content tag

It's almost like there's no correlation? Recipes are frequently an aspect of fan culture, a la "cook what's in your favorite piece of media in real life", but are not substantial enough to be considered in a fictional archive. Underage is a content warning.

Don't laugh at this because "Oh those silly monster f*ckers." This is a giant freaking RED FLAG just like with Only Fans.

the sheer amount of control ad agencies and payment providers hold over culture is actually horrifying. if a site gets blacklisted by both, it's just fucking gone unless it's willing to take the risk of using crypto for payments (actually one of the only practical uses for crypto)

if someone so much as sends you a note in something like cashapp or paypal with something remotely sexual in it, you can get your account frozen with the money still inside. it doesn't matter if it was perfectly legal and above-board stuff like hentai or erotica, because the corporations don't like those and that's all that matters

similarly this is why sites are extremely touchy about wording and tags when it comes to anything remotely adjacent to sex. if you use the wrong word and don't change it, years of work or even your entire livelihood can effectively be deleted in seconds

nobody ever talks about this because it's career poison to do it, but porn is basically already "illegal" in the vast majority of cases because if your money touches it, you're operating outside of terms of service and risking some corporate asshole deciding your smut is wretched enough to necessitate the destruction of your finances, and by proxy, your life

we’re seeing more and more of this sort of online monitoring, even beyond fandom and sexual stuff. people have to dance around what they mean — saying things like “unalive” because the word “dead” is banned. this is especially apparent on tiktok, but it’s spreading around and pretty much everyone should be alarmed by this. how sanitary is sanitary enough? spoiler: it never is.

Hey folks! Remember to not compare real life attracities with fictional bad evil organizations! Specifically please stop comparing n@zis to them. It takes away and trivializes how significant and horrifying those events really were. If you want to ‘compare’ them because of the themes they have in common such as Fascism, imperialism, racism. Then just use those words. It’s not that hard and it helps takes steps towards people being able to recognize the warning signs of that sh*t.

EXACTLY i 100% agree with you on that

Also important to note: Nazism is specifically built on antisemitism and that gets erased when you describe fictional characters as “space Nazis” or “wizard Nazis”, especially when there’s no actual Jewish people in the canon or when the work itself is antisemitic.

discoursing with anti-antis is so funny because often they’ll plaster their blog with Woke Leftist speech and causes but the second you say anything like “hey if an adult is obsessed with drawing child penis that’s a huge red flag” and they’ll punch a hole in their wall from the sheer effort it takes to hold back from calling you a slur

it’s almost as if proshippers enter leftist spaces not out of love or concern for humanity or any type of compassion but because  they want to feel like “the good guy” & appear more friendly and harmless 0_0

Aside from the whole making up an imaginary person to be mad at thing in the first post:

Shipping is not activism. Your opinions on shipping wank have nothing to do with your leftist politics, and vice versa. In fact, setting up an environment where people are deemed safe based solely upon correct moralistic stances leads to abuse. There are documented examples of rapists who used the anti community as a shield. Nobody cares what you consider a personal red flag, we care about you contributing to abuse and harassment.

Proshippers are so funny to me with their little "antis dni" in their bios, like c'mon say the full thing, tell us what type of anti you mean, do you mean anti incest? anti pedophilia? anti real people shippers? anti aging up/down underage characters?

Come on *taps mic* specify

Don't try to justify being a freak by saying it has no affect on reality and it's to deal with trauma, trauma doesn't make people consume pedophilic content and fiction can have plenty of affects on reality and we both know that

If you condone abusing other people over fiction, don't interact. It's that simple. Tacit support is still support.

the “fiction doesn’t affect reality” thing is bs because that’s what propaganda is. Fiction MADE to affect reality.

Good thing nobody says that, then. Fiction affects reality in a nuanced way. Comparing propaganda to fanfiction is disingenuous at BEST, and actively dishonest at worst. Fanfiction is in no way comparable to propaganda, or child sexual exploitation material.

someone: if you aren’t a boy or a girl what are you me:

It's the objective truth, not a rhetorical strategy. Fanfiction does not "normalize" pedophilia in any meaningful way. Banning fanfiction (or trying to perpetuate abusive harassment against people who write fanfiction until they stop) isn't going to stop grooming because the grooming tool is not responsible for abuse.

It's not "finding a workaround for the no child porn rule" because it is not child porn to begin with. The defining feature of child sexual exploitation material (csem, which is what it should be called because the abuse of an actual child isn't porn) is the harm of an actual child. I don't care about fictional characters being hurt.

Stop equating your personal disgust to actual activism, especially when it results in the perpetuation of more abuse.

still thinking abt this person who tried to say ao3 is a library and claimed you can't expect a library to censor its contents...

like. i don't know how to tell you that books and by extension libraries absolutely fucking do have their content censored. you wanna know how i know? because PUBLISHING SHIT LIKE CHILD PORN AS A BOOK AND SELLING IT WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW.

no, written content is not included in the federal laws against child porn. but it is against obscenity laws, which don't allow you to sell and profit from content that fails the miller test. and written CP absolutely does fail.

"but what about meaningful explorations of abuse and dark subjects?" i hear some people whine. don't worry, the test accounts for that, because believe it or not people do have braincells and can tell when things are meaningfully depicting dark topics and when they're just pornographic! lolita, for example, does not appeal to "prurient interests", which is a fancy way of saying it condemns the pedophile it's depicting, and is not intended to be sexually appealing. therefore, it's not considered child porn.

or how about OP here, who claims we would have to ban classic books because of racist or antisemitic content? the test accounts for that, too! some books are considered to hold great literary, scientific, political, or artistic value, and therefore are preserved even as they may contain obscene content we wouldn't tolerate normally. to make it simple, the great gatsby holds literary value. your incest fanfic does not.

here's that test by the way, along with more information on obscenity laws. always check your sources!

i say all this to say- real writers, ones who officially publish, are held to real standards. you will not find sexily written incest and pedophilia on the shelves of any library, and if you somehow did, there would be legal grounds to have it banned. the real world doesn't tolerate this shit.

so in conclusion, ao3 is NOT a library. and if you want it to be one, you'll be having your work held to the same standards. US law doesn't believe in "ship and let ship".

everyone is welcome to reblog but by god don't come on here arguing for your right to publish fucking thor/loki or whatever

The only meaningful difference between a work on Ao3 and a physical book is the use of pre-existing intellectual property and maybe some of the editorial standards. There have been multiple instances of fanfiction being adapted into books and movies. I'm not going to pass judgment on these works, that's for another post.

Also you can and will find "sexily written" abuse on the shelves of libraries. V.C. Andrews, some sections of Stephen King novels, etc. I'm fascinated by your insistence that fanfiction and the internet doesn't operate in "the real world". Ao3 exists in "the real world". It's subject to the "real world" laws of the U.S. and New York state.

You're just grasping for straws because the law is against you.

Getplume has disabled comments on their ads after people started using them to warn that its a predatory service, so this is your reminder that plume charges you 99 dollars a month for shit that places like planned parent hood charge way less and not monthly for, and actively spread misinformation about major health effects of hrt, such as whether or not estrogen can cause infertility in trans women (it usually does, but plume says it doesnt)

ppl in their 20s (or god forbid 30s) who are pro-shippers…like…y’all need to take a step back for a minute.  b/c if youre 25 and shipping a 40 year old with a 14 year old and saying thats fine then maybe you have some Underlying Issues that need to be addressed

If you legitimately want to help abuse and rape survivors and not just perpetuate more abusive behavior, look into charities addressing online csem and supporting swers.

ppl in their 20s (or god forbid 30s) who still cant separate fiction and reality and dont understand that liking weird things in fiction doesn’t mean you think it’s fine in real life might have some Underlying issues that need to be addressed

if you honest to god think that the point of my post was that people cant separate fiction from reality and not that people (read: real-life groomers, pedophiles, and abusers) use these “problematic ships” to groom and manipulate their victims into thinking that shit is normal and okay and the fact that people proudly normalize and romanticize these things in the name of proshipping to stick it to antis or whatever then you might have some Underlying Issues that need to be addressed

you think people, by saying “fiction affects reality”, means “you cant separate reality from fiction so you must like incest for real”. but thats not the fucking point. the point is what i described above where real people are groomed into thinking incest, pedophilic relationships, abuse, etc. are fine and dandy, and even worse theyre normalized and romanticised and made out to be cute and edgy shipping fodder for you to get off to.  THATS the fucking issue.

“but people do the same with serial killers in fiction and murder, why arent you upset at them??” because murderers dont fucking use murder fics to groom their victims before they murder them???  i am honestly blown away by how goddamn far up your own asses you all are that you cant see how these things affect real people whether you see it or not. and for the record, theres a difference between exploring dark topics such as murder and etc. in fiction and ROMANTICIZING it. i do not condone the romanticization of murder; i only fuck with fiction that 100% makes murder into an Obviously Bad Thing

to add onto this, using it as a coping mechanism, OPENLY, where other people can see it, causes the same problems. i know immersion therapy is a thing, and if you want to try it in private where it doesnt affect others than be my guest, though i encourage you to try and find healthier coping mechanisms.  but once you start putting it out there for other people to see, thats when theres a problem.

i wasnt going to wade into this argument on a post i made A YEAR AGO, but here we fucking are. thanks for making me think about this when i have rent to pay

This is exactly my point in the original post. Banning works of fiction that you find personally distasteful will do nothing to prevent grooming or abuse. In fact, it protects and shields abusers by giving them an out to claim they hate the fiction while abusing people under that relative safety. There have been multiple abusers given passes because of expressing anti attitudes.

Nobody normalizes and romanticizes anything. The act of tagging your works in itself serves to acknowledge the abuse inherent in the text and its a requirement to tag appropriately.

If you don't care for a ship or you're upset it that's fine. But stop pretending your shipping choices make you an advocate for survivors, stop your snide cruelty about our coping mechanisms, and if you want to make a real difference find a legitimate charity.

ppl in their 20s (or god forbid 30s) who are pro-shippers…like…y’all need to take a step back for a minute.  b/c if youre 25 and shipping a 40 year old with a 14 year old and saying thats fine then maybe you have some Underlying Issues that need to be addressed

If you legitimately want to help abuse and rape survivors and not just perpetuate more abusive behavior, look into charities addressing online csem and supporting swers.