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i'm tired of baring my teeth when i smile

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Indy. 35. Into: Marvel (mostly) and musicals. (This is an Endgame hate blog.)
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Honestly you people need to start thinking about fanfiction like a restaurant.

You do not have to order the salmon if you don't like salmon.

If I order the salmon, I am not forcing you to eat the salmon. Nor are you obligated to order it just because I am.

If we are going with the intention of sharing food, that's okay! I happen to like steak too. I don't need to order the salmon. I'm capable of going to the restaurant and not ordering the salmon. We can order the steak.

There is a whole menu of things you can have. The salmon is just an option. We can even find a restaurant that doesn't serve salmon at all.

Yes, I know some people are allergic to salmon. But I'm not going up to them and force-feeding it to them. The only way my salmon can hurt them is if they come to our table and take the salmon.

The only way you'll expose yourself to my salmon and the unpleasantness of eating it is if I tell you my dish has salmon in it and you insist on having a bite anyway.

You're midway through your meal and realize it has salmon in it? Okay. Lets send it back and order something else. Maybe you didn't see it in the ingredients list. Or maybe the chef didn't put it down.

Its really that simple.

And if something is called Salmon Rissotto, you're best to assume there is salmon in it, even if the chef didn't include an ingredients list

ALL OF THIS! ⬆️⬆️⬆️

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qi-yans
Chris Evans & Sebastian Stan make an appearance at Nowhere on the 15th of Never

So I get the general sense that Chris and Seb like each other, but that they’re just two different sort of people, and that Seb has more chemistry and friend vibes with Mackie.

But do you ever also wonder: if they both know about the preponderance of lewd fanart and fanfiction that exists out in the ether, and are just sliiiightly too uncomfortable in the other’s presence as a result? 🤣

Okay, so here is my take that comes from just me watching interviews and social media, etc and I may be way off, but here it goes:

I think they are honestly friends. I know Chris and Mackie were friends years before they knew Sebastian. I think this has made Chris stick closer to Mackie and not realize that a lot of the time Sebastian seems like the little brother who adores him and wants to be as close as the other two are. I think Mackie can read that Sebastian actually wants to be a part of it all and he is more than happy to bring him in. Chris just never quite caught on. Like, they’re friends, but I feel like Sebastian and Mackie text each other random shit for no reason and Sebastian and Chris don’t have that kind of relationship. Sebastian somehow slips below Chris’s radar.

(Don’t ask for receipts unless you’re willing to listen to me make Chris look bad. I genuinely don’t think Chris does it intentionally, but still.)

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astriiformes

The Fellowship gets on the topic of their ages one night and Boromir comes to the dawning realization that he has absolutely no idea how old any of his companions are supposed to be at all

Boromir, pointing at the hobbits: I don’t know how your ages work

Boromir, pointing at Legolas and Gimli: I definitely don’t know how either of your ages work

Boromir, pointing at Aragorn: I thought I knew how your age worked but apparently I was wrong

Boromir, pointing at Gandalf: I especially don’t know how your age works

Gandalf: It doesn’t, but carry on

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elidyce

Listen I will die on this hill. I don’t care what it says in the assorted apocrypha, if you go by the Actual Text of LOTR you can make a very good argument that Boromir is the youngest member of the group. 

The hobbits are the only ones given official ages in the text, and are between fifty or fifty-one and twenty-nine. Elves and dwarves notoriously age slowly, and Gimli is the offspring of one of Bilbo’s pals, so okay, we’ve established that he’s old enough to call the hobbits young, and Bilbo confirms for them that Aragorn is Pretty Old For A Bigjobs. Gandalf is, of course, eternal.

But we are never given any context for Boromir and Faramir’s ages, except that a) they are humans and, though Sons of Gondor, not much longer lived than most Bigjobs, and b) Faramir is A QuiteYoung Man. I was absolutely convinced, when I read the books as a youngun, that Boromir, being in ‘the flower of manhood’ iirc, was probably between 25 and 30.

And it would be Freaking Hilarious, okay, for Boromir to finally get around to actually asking how old this baby-faced hobbit carrying The Ring is, and get told ‘oh, he’s only fifty, but he’s very steady for his age.’

Boromir: ?!?!?!

And then Pippin and Merry start asking everyone how old they are because this is fascinating are we all official adults here except for Pippin or what.

Boromir: …. Pippin isn’t an adult HOW OLD IS PIPPIN.

Pippin is just 29, which is why everyone calls him Pippin, it’s gonna be at least another 20 years before he can make Peregrine work. Why, how old is Boromir?

Boromir, who would rather DIE than admit to being 28 right at this moment: …. 43. 

All the others, weighing up his apparent age compared to theirs: Sure, sounds legit. 

Gandalf, who knows for certain, does not say anything because he is absolutely certain that telling Pippin that he’s older than Boromir will be an unmitigated disaster. 

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Sebastian: from Haneke to Shakespeare

13 August 1982 born in Constanța, Romania

1990/1991 at age 8 Sebastian and his mother moved to Vienna, Austria

(January/April) 1994 71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance filming in Vienna’s subway (directed by Michael Haneke). The film premiered at the Cannes Film Festival on May 18th, 1994.

“ When I was in Vienna, my mother took me to some auditions and my first role was the one of a homeless Romanian child.

1994/1995 at age 12 he and his mother moved to Rockland County, NY entered Rockland Country Day School where he played in Harvey, Cyrano de Bergerac, Little Shop of Horrors, Over Here!, West Side Story

“ When you’re thrown into something so young, you don’t think about it too much… It took me a while to form friends, but it was still early and you just sort of suck in everything at that age.
“ It was an interesting time. I really didn’t want to be different at all. I lost my accent — although it still comes out every once in a while — but I just wanted to be like everyone else.
“ I was always being watched by my parents. I was the kid who wore blazers. I never even had a drink before college.
“ I liked Aladdin and Little Mermaid a lot [when I was a kid]. But Aladdin especially, I think I was really into because of the genie in that. “ I was really obsessed with Jim Carrey growing up. Jim Carrey was a big [part] of me wanting to act. I was definitely a fan of The Riddler.
“ By the time I was a senior in high school, I was looking for schools I could go to for acting.
“ I went to a tiny, tiny high school where kids weren’t competing with each other for a part in the musical because there weren’t enough people. It was Stagedoor Manor that advanced what I thought doing theater was — the process, the rehearsal, the costumes and what goes on backstage and everybody’s part in it.
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AO3 Top Relationships Bracket- Round 2 Side 1

This poll is a celebration of fandom history; we're aware that there are certain issues with many of the listed pairings and sources, but they are a part of that history. Please do not take this as an endorsement, and refrain from harassment.

Since absolutely when does canon matter in fandom. Did we not decide in like 2002 that canon was, at best, a gentle suggestion and at worst a pig roasted ready to be carved for the best bits?

The bitterness in those quote tags is hilarious. Stucky was never canon. It was never going to BE canon. What in the everloving fuck does canon have to do with it? What does canon have to do with ANY ship?

Absolutely wild. "Oh no, canon fucked over half my ship. Alas, I am cursed to forever more revile the ship now, woe is me." You never had a problem ignoring canon to put Steve and Bucky together in the first place. Now that its done something you don't like, suddenly it matters?

That's weaksauce, man. Total weaksauce.

(Also, people have been saying 'fuck canon' a lot longer than since 2002.)

Sorry, I know none of this matters, but I can't help thinking about those quoted tags (and similar sentiments I've seen elsewhere). Specifically:

"alas the reality we live in is the one where steve fucked off to the past, and abandonned (sic) bucky to be with peg instead. so fuck stucky."

Steve didn't do that. He is not a person with agency. He's a fictional character. A team of directors, writers, corporate executives etc made a decision to write a story where that happened. Those tags feel like the poster was betrayed by a real person who let them down by doing something unconscionable.

I understand that feeling! I do. I too have been so angry at canon events that I've walked away from the canon. The bad feelings those events caused were too much to ignore, and if those were the creator's choices, I didn't want to see what else they would do. But it was the creator I was mad at or disappointed in, because the creator made the character's choices. It was the creator who let me down.

When you bring fandom into the mix, particularly creative fandom (fic, fanart etc), the only reality we live in is the reality each fan chooses for themself. Most ships aren't canon. Most ships will never be canon. Having those ships, creating fanworks for them, is an outright rejection of canon's reality, no matter how otherwise canon compliant the creation might be.

In the case of Steve, I get how people were so angry about what Endgame did to him. I didn't even see it and I was pissed off. I get how anger at that, and at the MCU's whole thing, affected how people felt about Steve/Bucky, tainting the ship for people. I suspect shipping and bad feelings don't co-exist well.

I guess what I don't get is how being angry about Endgame/the MCU generally equals a sense of being angry at/betrayed by the character, can result not just in moving on from the ship, but in the vitriolic rejection and disdain of 'fuck stucky', as if the time spent enjoying the ship had not only been wasted, but retrospectively tainted.

Steve Rogers doesn't belong to Disney/Marvel except in the strict legal sense of the word. That holds true for every character who has ever been beloved (or despised) by fandom. They belong to us, and we decide their reality. Not canon.

I feel like I have been been preaching this so long.

It is so so refreshing to have someone else say what I've been saying all along. I have always felt so isolated trying to explain, "Steve is not a bad guy. Steve was poorly written."

Thank you. Honestly, legitimately on the verge of tears because of this. Thank you so much. I've felt alone in this fight for so long.

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luna-rainbow

The reason people were saying don’t forget fandom history isn’t because anyone thinks Stucky is the oldest MLM ship, or the biggest MLM ship, or the only MLM ship of its time. It’s because it was 2014 and gay marriage was still illegal. It’s because it was 2015 and MAGA was flying everywhere. It’s because it was 2016, people took to Twitter and trended #givecapaboyfriend. Mere weeks later, comics Steve Rogers was written into a Nazi.

It’s because it came at a turning point not just in superhero history but American history. MCU Steve Rogers was a return to a more sincere worldview after two decades of grim dark cynicism. The MCU, previously the domain of (mainly cis white) dudebros — you only have to look at the way Nat and Peggy were written in the early movies to know that women and other minorities, whether as characters or audience, were a distant afterthought — has gained traction with the mainstream audience. The advent of social media and internet accessibility meant a blossoming abundance of fan content that previous generations didn’t have.

This coincided with a time of intense ideological clash between progressive and conservative voices. Unlike what dudebros say, very few people believed the MCU would actually give Cap a boyfriend, but it did squarely place Captain America on the side of the LGBT community. Up until this point, MCU Steve in both canon and fanon has often been portrayed with hazy nostalgia for “the greatest generation” and the white picket fence dream. The hashtag trend was a reclamation of a character who was written by a minority, whose origin was a marginalised group for his time, and whose moral code was always supportive of people sidelined by history.

There will always be older ships, bigger ships, “more canon” ships, but you’ll never get another ship that rode the nexus of social media growth, genre popularity, LGBT recognition and political tug-o-war to breach containment the way Steve-Bucky did.

Don’t forget the history of #GiveCapABoyfriend, the BBC Steve-Bucky fan video, the “of course it’s a love story”, the “we went a little Brokeback” and the “Bucky is his home”. All of these were acknowledgement of the sheer size and international reach of the fandom. With a character many people thought of as the face of conservative America, it brought gay romance into the mainstream consciousness…and yes, without Steve-Bucky and several other concurrent massive MLM ships laying down the ground work, many of the newer canon gay romances would not have been green lit by profit-hungry studios.

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also stucky not being canon is the huge part of just how insanely popular this ship has gotten. bbc is one thing, but the usual comic nerd men club like screen junkies, hishe etc joined as well. (I don't say Cap trilogy is queerbaiting bc stucky is in the narrative, although the directors definitely knowingly profitted from baiting fans during & post cw. )

catws is entirely it's own league, the fandom exploded after that. and we have the cw discourse riding on the release of aou as we entered 2016, that was the peak of Marvel Internet popularity and stucky was quite literally at the center of it. never have I seen another (non canon) ship that's gotten so much traction and almost universal acceptance (remember when stony was a thing? me neither.).

and let's not forget that #givecaptainamericaaboyfriend trended fucking twice.

we have to recognize the importance of queer reading of Captain America before talking about what stucky means bc it is a flagrantly, deliberately political approach, unlike most other ships.

I was trying to avoid going there but it looks like we have to. Like many people said in the tags, Stucky (and other ships like SPN and Johnlock and Merthur) walked so Blackbeard could run. I just looked this up but “Don’t ask don’t tell” bill ended in 2010, that was the year CATFA was released. Gay marriage was legalised in 2015. All these franchises started before this period were dancing in the closet around the issue because they had no choice. But their popularity proved to the studios that they were marketable — because that’s the only thing studios care about, not rep, not progress, but the profit margin. Gay romance can sell, and the only way they learned that was through the ships that had blown up so hard it hit them in the noggin.

I think what you said about “Stucky not being canon is a huge part of what this ship is about”is so true. The zeitgeist at the time was that a conservative cautious company like Disney was not going to, in 2015 as gay marriage became legalised, let their self-appointed conservative pro-military icon (even if that’s not what Steve Rogers truly is) be queer. But like Steve, the fandom never gave up fighting for it, because of how symbolic Steve’s character is. And on the flip side, “Stucky not being canon is a huge part of it” also refers to the way the studios resolved Steve’s arc with a 5min OOC conversation. The studio did everything within its power to write their relationship out of canon. It’s still doing that now.

Stucky was insanely popular because it couldn’t be canon, and Stucky couldn’t be canon because it was insanely popular, is a double whammy that is sadly the reality in our timeline.

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luna-rainbow

The reason people were saying don’t forget fandom history isn’t because anyone thinks Stucky is the oldest MLM ship, or the biggest MLM ship, or the only MLM ship of its time. It’s because it was 2014 and gay marriage was still illegal. It’s because it was 2015 and MAGA was flying everywhere. It’s because it was 2016, people took to Twitter and trended #givecapaboyfriend. Mere weeks later, comics Steve Rogers was written into a Nazi.

It’s because it came at a turning point not just in superhero history but American history. MCU Steve Rogers was a return to a more sincere worldview after two decades of grim dark cynicism. The MCU, previously the domain of (mainly cis white) dudebros — you only have to look at the way Nat and Peggy were written in the early movies to know that women and other minorities, whether as characters or audience, were a distant afterthought — has gained traction with the mainstream audience. The advent of social media and internet accessibility meant a blossoming abundance of fan content that previous generations didn’t have.

This coincided with a time of intense ideological clash between progressive and conservative voices. Unlike what dudebros say, very few people believed the MCU would actually give Cap a boyfriend, but it did squarely place Captain America on the side of the LGBT community. Up until this point, MCU Steve in both canon and fanon has often been portrayed with hazy nostalgia for “the greatest generation” and the white picket fence dream. The hashtag trend was a reclamation of a character who was written by a minority, whose origin was a marginalised group for his time, and whose moral code was always supportive of people sidelined by history.

There will always be older ships, bigger ships, “more canon” ships, but you’ll never get another ship that rode the nexus of social media growth, genre popularity, LGBT recognition and political tug-o-war to breach containment the way Steve-Bucky did.

Don’t forget the history of #GiveCapABoyfriend, the BBC Steve-Bucky fan video, the “of course it’s a love story”, the “we went a little Brokeback” and the “Bucky is his home”. All of these were acknowledgement of the sheer size and international reach of the fandom. With a character many people thought of as the face of conservative America, it brought gay romance into the mainstream consciousness…and yes, without Steve-Bucky and several other concurrent massive MLM ships laying down the ground work, many of the newer canon gay romances would not have been green lit by profit-hungry studios.

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